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Re: High Temperature in Toroid of the PI-L network (Alpha 78)
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýHi Jim, ? I use the formulas by Eimac and also the PIEL software depending on what computer I use. My values for the anode capacitors are the total values. Any strays and tube capacitance etc. as well as inductor lead length are not taken into account. I guess you deducted capacitances like that of the tube from your figures. ? The current through the coil of the pi part is indeed Q*Ia where you used 3.2 and not 6. With a Q of 6 the current is 6*.2.75A= 16.5A. ? You also used different frequencies, I used 1.8 and 7MHz but that will not change much. ? I am operator at the M/M contest station DR1A so familiar with fighting harmonics. But how many stubs will you connect to a multiband amplifier? ? A single stub will kill some harmonics but not sufficient enough, we use cacaded stubs made from LDF cable behind the mono band amplifiers. ? I measured a YC-179 bolted to the chassis. ? 73 Peter ? ? ?And this is copper after >40 years: ? ? -----Original-Nachricht----- Betreff: Re: [ham-amplifiers] High Temperature in Toroid of the PI-L network (Alpha 78) Datum: 2024-03-10T16:29:32+0100 Von: "Jim VE7RF" <jim.thom@...> An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> ? ? ? On Sat, Mar 9, 2024 at 10:46 PM, Peter Voelpel wrote: ?
##? I just? plugged ur? YC-179 numbers into the GM3SEK PI-L software.? ?The YC-179 has 35 pf anode to grid C... which rises to 52 pf with grid flange bolted to chassis. I also allowed for an extra 5 pf of stray C on top of the 52 pf..( so a total of 57 pf used).? ? ?I also used ur 6 kv loaded @ 2.75 amps...and also used? your? 200 ohm image Z....and also ur? 61% eff, and used 1840 khz for the design freq.? ?And also used a 400 uh plate choke.? And also used ur 1100 ohm plate load Z....and also ur 10 kw output.?? ##? This is what it spits out...for a total network Q of 6.? ( Input Q = 3.2? Output? Q = 1.0? ?L network Q =? 1.7 )? ?Coil current in L1? should be input Q X plate current or 3.2 x 2.75 =? 8.8 amps.? ? The above is not even close to ur calcs.? (?Ca 350pf, La 29?H, Cb 1500pf, Lb 7.65?H )? ?What are u using for software ???? ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. Ok, let's try 40m (7150 khz)? and again using your numbers.? A 1/4 wave shorted stub will kill all the even harmonics.... by 15-23 db.? Try listening to urself on a 2nd RX on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th harmonics..... while Tx'ing on SSB.? Say TX on LSB / USB on 7100, then listen on 14.200 and 21.300 and 28.400 mhz.? ? Flexible Copper tubing has risen a bit in price, but is still relatively cheap.? Typ comes in 10'- 15' - 25'- 50' rolls.? And in 1/8"? to? 1.125" OD sizes....and every size in between.?? I hate the look of bare copper,? which really looks bad after several years.? ?The silver plating is cheap, and is strictly an aesthetic? thing.? |