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Re: Coil 3.72 software


Clint, VE3CMQ
 

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Great info in your posting.? I did not realise that this was why there is usually a large diameter coil in most amps.? I knew it was for the higher frequencies, but never knew exactly why.?

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An easy way to wind coils with tubing is to fill the tubing with sand or table salt. ?This will prevent the tubing from crushing. ?Pinch one end of the tubing, fill it with whatever material you are using to fill the tube and leave an air gap in the end you filled from.? Pinch it closed and wind your coil.

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It¡¯s a simple trick but works well.? It¡¯s one of the methods that is used for musical instruments.

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73, Clint, VE3CMQ

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim VE7RF
Sent: January 7, 2020 11:52 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ham-amplifiers] Coil 3.72 software

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Latest? version? is? now? 3.78

Note? when u? ?go? from? 7? mhz? to? say? 28 mhz...? (for? a? given? inductance)? ?the? XL? will? increase? by? a? factor? of? 4,? since? XL? is? proportional to? F.? ?( XL =? 2pi? x? F? x? ?L)?

However? the? RF? resistance? only? increases? to? the? square? root? of? the? freq? ratio.? ?IE:? ?28/7 =? 4? ? ? ?sq? root? of? 4? =? 2? ? ?(skin? effect).

XL? has? quadrupled.... but? RF? resistance? has? only doubled.?

Since? Q? =? ?XL /? RF? resistance.......? when? u? increase freq to 28 mhz.......? Q? has? now? doubled.? ?Now? with? the? Q? doubled,? joe? ham thinks? he is? doing? really? good with? his? coil? on? 28 mhz.
Fact is,? it's? now? worse,? a? dog's? breakfast on 28? mhz.? ?Heat? being? dissipated? in? the? coil is? now? double !? ? Power is of? course I squared .. x R.? ?Double? the? R...and? u? now? just? doubled? the? heat.? Wait, it? gets? worse.? ?On 24-30 mhz,? typ uh? coil? values? for a PI /? PI-L? are? small.? ? U? end? ?up? dissipating? ?more? heat vs? 7? mhz.....? and? into? ?far fewer? turns!? The? only? fix? is? to? reduce the? RF? resistance of? the coil? on? 24-30? mhz....? by? increasing? the? diameter of? the? tubing used.? Larger? diam tubing? coils (esp? with? smallish ID's)? ?are not? easy? to? wind.? 3/8"? OD? tubing? wound? on a 1.5"? form? is? doable.? ?1/2"? OD? tubing wound on a 1.5"? form? is a real? bitch.? (I? use? the? 1.5"? ID? ?tubing coils? for? the? small? coil between plate? block? cap? assy? and C1? tune? cap.

Plan? B? is? to? use? copper? strap,? and? wind? a? strap? coil.? ?Flat? strap? coils? are? very? easy? to? wind.? You? can? also? wind,? with very? little? spacing? between? turns.? ?With? tubing? coils,? optimum spacing? between? turns? is slightly greater (8-10%)? than? the OD? of? the? tubing? used.? Tubing coils? only? conduct? current? on? the? outside? of? the? coil.? ?Strap? coils (and? also? interconnecting? straps)? conduct on? both? sides.? ?3/4"? wide? strap? has? the same? outer? circumference as? 1/2"? tubing.? ?1.5" wide? strap? as? the? same? circumference as? 1" OD tubing.?

Current? through? the? tank? coil? on a simple? PI? net is? aprx? plate? current? x? Q. (I? have? measured? this,? and? the? simple? formula? was? surprisingly accurate,? within? 1/10? amp,? on? a? RF? ammeter).? ? Double? the? plate current,? and? RF? current? doubles...(for? the? same? loaded? Q).? ? Double? the? RF? current, and? heat? dissipated? in? the? tank? coil? quadruples.? ? ?High plate? current? and? high? loaded? Q? is a bad? combo.? Hence? the use? of a? small coil? between plate? block? cap? and? C1? tune? cap....? to? reduce? the plate? load? Z? to a manageable number.? (that? small? coil? has? lotsa? current? through? it,? treat? it? the? same as? the? main? tank? coil.)

Avoid? ferrous? steel....and? also? SS? in? tank? circuits.? Use? brass /? bronze /? phosphor? bronze? for? fasteners...? (all 3? can? easily be silver? plated? with? cool-amp? glop).? Ditto? with? RF? connections? at at? feed points,? tuners,? remote? switch? boxes? etc.?

Using? coil? 3.78,? ?you? can? see? at? a? glance? what? the? exact? RF? resistance? of a given? coil? will? be.? Knowing? the? RF? current,? the? heat? dissipated in? the? coil is? easily? calculated.?
Knowing the OD? of? the? tubing? being? used...and? the? coil? diameter..and? length,? and? number? of? turns,? it's a few? simple? calcs? to? determine the? exact surface? area of? the? entire? coil.? ?
Take? the? watts? dissipated....? and? divide? by? the? surface? area.... and? the? result? will? be...? "watts? per? square? inch" .? ?My? way to? deal? with? heat? is to? try? and? ?generate? less? heat? as? possible.?

Cu? tubing is? cheap? at? home? depot.? ?I? silver? plate? all? my? coils? with? cool-amp? glop....mainly for? aesthetic? reasons.? ? Copper? strap? comes? from? local? metal? store.? I typ? get? em? to? shear 3'? lengths? ?of? 1/2", 3/4",? and? 1".....and? sometimes? wider.? ?Typ? .035"? thickness? used,? easy? to? work? with.? For? rigid? strap? coils, .049"? thickness? is? used.??

Later....? Jim? ?VE7RF

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