Yeah some of these guys interpret the code differently Have their own
opinions. Thats why there are lawyers and judges, hahahaha
My local inspector considered the water pipe as the real ground The ground
rods as a supplementary ground.
While this is incorrect it is supposed to be the other way around by
definition.
The water pipes
in his argument are better grounded than the ground rod
The correct answers when dealing with ANY INSPECTOR are YES SIR and OK
thats good to know, hahahaha.
BOB DD
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From:
ham_amplifiers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
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On Behalf Of FRANCIS CARCIA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:01 PM
To:
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My building inspector did not want the ground wire in the meter socket. I
ran conduit off the breaker panel to the rods. I also ran #4 over to the
water main both sides of the meter. Then I showed him?the 4 #8s coming
through the wall that go around the
footing and through the yard. He smiled
and said connect them also. Next I got some interesting lightning stories.
gfz
"Robert B. Bonner" <
rbonner@qro.com> wrote:
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From:
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On Behalf Of R L Measures
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:41 AM
To:
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On Nov 13, 2006, at 4:48 AM, Robert B. Bonner wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I know several years ago a friend sent me some copies of the posts
> on AMPS
> when I wasn't a member. There were comments rather heated regarding
>
POWER
> SERVICES and AC wiring to amps.
>
> I will end that quickly here as I won't tolerate incorrect info to
> pass me
> by. You are a smart guy, very knowledgeable and have some good
> experiences
> but let's define power services / wiring correctly to avoid any
> errors.
>
> You and I are saying the same things but differently. Separated by
> a common
> language.
>
> I worked three years as an electrician.
.. Knew my business.
>
> Standard 220V
Is not 240v standard in the United States?
*** You can call it whatever you want, there is no actual voltage
220-230-234-
240.. So you will sometimes see it referenced 220/240 which is
the correct term.
Or my favorite inside electrician'
s joke "220-221 whatever it takes" (From
the movie Mr. Mom) It's a range power companies try to maintain between
approximately 220 and 240 volts.
(My second favorite electrician'
s joke is what do you need to know to be a
plumber? Answer: S*** flows downhill and payday is Friday...)
Mine runs almost 250 volts here most times. Just checked it it is 246.5
VRMS right now.
> residential circuits are two wire, the third wire is a GROUND
> (Green) not a neutral.
If they connect together in the breaker box, is this really safe?
... ...
*** Ask the guys who write the national electric code. I am but their local
servant. :-)
Ground should be ground... The equipment connected and the service entrance
should all be grounded. My original power service in this house 42 years
ago was grounded to water pipes. Then "they" also found that water
companies would remove water meters from time to time, so now it is required
by code to jumper over the water meter to maintain ground during that
service. Lost a few meter technicians over time I
suppose.
Plus now current code requires at the meter socket you have quantity two
5/8" 8 foot copper ground rods 6' apart outside grounding the meter socket.
Plus if you use non-metallic conduit between the panel and meter socket you
need to pull a ground wire through there.
"They" (The Power Gods) want NEUTRAL which is provided by the power company
to be kept as close to ground potential as possible. The power company does
not provide you a GROUND, They don't provide you technically 220/240 either,
they provide two circuits of out of phase 120 on either side of a neutral;
it is your responsibility to provide the GROUND and quite if by magic you
make 240 Volts inside your panel.
Consumers make all sorts of assumptions.
.. Where actually as the consumer
you are making the various voltages to power your house by yourself.
You provide the ground... Which is the return path for the power company's
7200 Volts. (They
only ground every other pole usually) and You make
220/240 inside your panel by wiring the out of phase 120's together.
If you look at it that way... With Joe ham wiring away in his box not
understanding what's actually going on, How safe is that? Maybe Europe's
250 scenario is a lot safer to start with?
The bonding strap in a power panel is about a 10 gauge aluminum strap is
all. Which is adequate if you don't ask ground to carry any current from
gear. I have never heard of one of those melting in half except after a
lightning strike, but it could happen if you drew power acrossed it.
BOB DD
R L Measures, AG6K, 805.386.3734
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