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Re: More Help Files
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 09:26 AM, Bob Bolch wrote:
Sorry for the delay,? my wife and I are watching our grandson 4 days/week, and the off day gets used for catchup. In the ASSIST package that is in this group's files section, /g/h390-vm/files/ASSIST_VM370_etc and the github entry, is a tape (2022-03-21.ASSIST.191.aws) that is loaded to the ASSIST 191 minidisk, which contains a script ASBUILD? EXEC, which contains the following lines which build a usable LOADLIB, for non-ASSIST programs to use when they call one of the routines, in the LOADLIB. ... SAY 'Building XMSOURCE LOADLIB. Allows routines to be used by' SAY 'non-ASSIST Assembler programs.' ????????????????????????????????????? /* SYSLIB is input file of TEXT */ ????????????????????????????????????? /* records to be link edited.?? */ 'FILEDEF SYSLIB DISK XMSOURCE TXTLIB A (PERM' ????????????????????????????????????? /* Link edit each member and put*/ ????????????????????????????????????? /* it in a LOADLIB.???????????? */ 'LKED XXXXDECI (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXDECO (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXGET? (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXOPEN (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXPNCH (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXPRNT (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXPUT? (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXREAD (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'LKED XXXXSNAP (XREF LIBE XMSOURCE PRINT' 'FILEDEF SYSLIB CLEAR'??????????????? /* Remove SYSLIB definition.??? */ ... The original VM/SP script I wrote, (see tape, 2022-03-21.ASSIST.193.aws, ASSIST 193,? XMSOLKED EXEC), just does the the above. I copied the code verbatim into my ASBUILD EXEC, and as far as I can tell it 'works as advertised.' I'm trying to find a test program that I used, but so far, it is escaping my attention. ?... Mark S. |
Re: More Help Files
Hi Mark,? OK, I'm interested in what you mean by 'usable modules'. Could you elaborate on the filetype produced and how they are used, please? /B On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=[email protected]> wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 04:07 AM, Bob Bolch wrote: |
Re: More Help Files
On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 04:07 AM, Bob Bolch wrote:
Since LKED?produces an object which?cannot be loaded or executed in VM/370 CMS,Because it CAN and DOES produce usable modules. :-) I used it for building ASSIST for VM/370. This is how I discovered there was no online help for it. Of course, as Dave stated it can produce unusable modules, too. ?... Mark S. |
Re: OS Link Macro - Was More Help Files
Hi Dave, The OS simulation LOAD SVC calls DMSSLN to load either a MODULE file or a TEXT file.? In VM/SP, CMS added a relocating loader and could then process a relocatable MODULE or a LOADLIB member. Only non-relocatable MODULE files can be built ior loaded in VM/370. When I was trying to make a NUCXLOAD command for VM/370, I spent a couple weeks trying to understand the relocation section of a modern CMS MODULE file, to see if I could make a relocating loader. I did not get very far, and would like to get back to it at some point. TEXT files obviously get relocated when brought into memory by the LOAD or INCLUDE commands, so I ended up with a NUCXTEXT command to load a nucleus extension from a TEXT file in VM/370. I did not want to look at the relocatable loader code from a modern CMS, to avoid copyright infringement, but I did look at binary relocatable MODULE files from z/VM to understand the data area added to the end of a MODULE. That analysis is still incomplete.?? Bob On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 8:03 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: OS Link Macro - Was More Help Files
开云体育Bob, ? So how does OS LINK work in VM/370? Do you need to construct an auxiliary directory? ?It says its supported in the manuals? Or modules that load at other than the default address… ? Dave ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch
Sent: 06 April 2022 12:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] More Help Files ? Hi Dave, I see that the VM/370 LKED?and GEN3705 modules are made from DMSLKD, DMSGRN, and DMSNCP. DMSZAP can?patch?a LOADLIB file. The only 'loader' function in VM/370 is to read a 3705 control program module and write it to a page-format core image with the SAVENCP command.? ? A relocating loader for CMS was not added until VM/SP. Bob ? On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:36 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: More Help Files
Hi Dave, I see that the VM/370 LKED?and GEN3705 modules are made from DMSLKD, DMSGRN, and DMSNCP. DMSZAP can?patch?a LOADLIB file. The only 'loader' function in VM/370 is to read a 3705 control program module and write it to a page-format core image with the SAVENCP command.? A relocating loader for CMS was not added until VM/SP. Bob On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 6:36 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: More Help Files
开云体育Bob, Mark, ? I popped a help file for LKED onto GIRHUB. As Bob says it may not be useful, but I really hate not having such things. ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade via groups.io
Sent: 06 April 2022 11:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] More Help Files ? Bob, ? I am not so sure that it can’t be loaded or executed! I would have thought if the LOADLIB was assigned to the correct DD then SVC ?6/LINK Macro would load code from it. In addition I was hoping to fix MVS version the ASM3705 assembler so it works under VM. That appears to be the only part of the NCP support that we are missing. There is a copy of the MVS version in one of the MVS groups. The CMS interface module exists in CMS…. … and lastly I hate ?having undocumented programs…. ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch ? Since LKED?produces an object which?cannot be loaded or executed in VM/370 CMS, why do we want to document it?? Bob ? On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:53 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: More Help Files
开云体育Bob, ? I am not so sure that it can’t be loaded or executed! I would have thought if the LOADLIB was assigned to the correct DD then SVC ?6/LINK Macro would load code from it. In addition I was hoping to fix MVS version the ASM3705 assembler so it works under VM. That appears to be the only part of the NCP support that we are missing. There is a copy of the MVS version in one of the MVS groups. The CMS interface module exists in CMS…. … and lastly I hate ?having undocumented programs…. ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Bolch
Sent: 06 April 2022 10:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] More Help Files ? Since LKED?produces an object which?cannot be loaded or executed in VM/370 CMS, why do we want to document it?? Bob ? On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:53 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: More Help Files
Since LKED?produces an object which?cannot be loaded or executed in VM/370 CMS, why do we want to document it?? Bob On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 3:53 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote: >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via |
Re: More Help Files
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.ioIt can't do too much harm. They were generally created on VM/370 where there is no spell check etc. I did find out we don't have online help for LKED (DOSLKED?).No, I only looked at stuff on the "Y" disk. The next step will be to check what is on the "S". The Linkage Editor is documented in GC20-1801-10_VM370_Sysgen_Rel_6_Jan80.pdf Which you will find on "BitSavers". In there it says, on page number 310 (page 341 in the PDF) Only a subset of the possible linkage editor control statements are meaningful in CMS. .Since the CMS interface program cannot examine the input data for the LKED command, all of the control statements are allowed, even though several of them result in the creation of a load module file which cannot be used under CMS. For both command options and control statements, see the publication "OS/VS Linkage Editor and Loader" which leads me to believe that the Linkage editor is a direct port of the OS/VS Linkage Editor. It won't take long to create a help file from the manual. ... Mark S.Dave |
More Help Files
开云体育Folks, I have uploaded a few more helpfiles for ? SCRIPT RUNPARM SDIFF SED SFBROWSE SNOBOL4 TAPEMAP WAITC ? to the GITHUB repository. I think that completes the HELP for the Y-Disk unless some one knows differently. ? Dave |
Re: Hercules with VM/370 on Linux in the background - erronous behaviour
Richard - VE7CVS
Hi, Michael:
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You might also be able to solve this by adding: 0</dev/null to your nohup command. This should eliminate your 'stdin' errors. - Richard, VE7CVS On 3/14/22 7:58 AM, Michael Grom wrote:
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Re: tool to detect overlapping DCSS or named segments
Mark, I was out of town yesterday, so I am catching up.? I did put a copy of the old SNTPARS EXEC from Cornell U. onto the MAINT 5E5 tools disk. I used it in the old days, and it helped me rearrange the segments for the CMS Nucleus restructure in VM370CE.? On MAINT, Issue VMSETUP?CP, then run it with: SNTPARS DMKSNT?ASSEMBLE F I added support for the NAME3800 entries. Bob? |
Re: tool to detect overlapping DCSS or named segments
开云体育Thanks Rene, I live on GMT or GMT+1 so can’t always answer when you chaps ask questions Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of René Ferland
Sent: 24 March 2022 01:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] tool to detect overlapping DCSS or named segments ? On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 06:43 PM, Mark Waterbury wrote:
On minidisk 5E5 (B) of MAINT. |
Re: tool to detect overlapping DCSS or named segments
开云体育Mark, ? Well VM/SP has a “SNTMAP” (Usually pronounced SNOTMAP) but of course we don’t There is an SNTPARS Rexx Exec but no idea how good it is. ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Waterbury
Sent: 23 March 2022 16:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [h390-vm] tool to detect overlapping DCSS or named segments ? Hi, All, |