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Re: New Mill and CNC Conversion #MILLS #CNC


Jerry Trantow
 

The only thing I run on my LinuxCNC computers is LinuxCNC and maybe a web browser if I need to look something up. I started out sharing a computer for my router, lathe, and mill, but now I use a dedicated computer for each CNC machine and I run my CAD program (Fusion360) on my main Win10 computer and share my gcode folders on the network. Really no need to get into Linux itself. I even edit my linuxCNC machine configurations on the Win10 computer.

I started out with a shared computer on a?rolling cart I could?move?between?machines. Another thing to consider longer term, is an arm to mount the monitor/keyboard and a?touch screen. This really makes your life easier to?keep things near your machine yet movable to?get out of the way as needed. A membrane keyboard avoids chips getting between the keys. (Shameless plug: Which is why the ex-medical systems I have on ebay are nice!)?
Eventually, you will want a pendant. I tried the wireless jog wheel pendant and found out I liked the wired $15 logitech game pad?much better.

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Assuming Mastercam spits out g-code you could still use tt on your Win7 machine with a LinuxCNC computer running? your CNC machine.

I would also point out that you can run Win7 in a virtual machine(VM). I use the free VMWare player to?run multiple?OS, each?in their own VM. This means you can run your legacy Win7 applications on a modern machine without worrying about?dual boot or some other kludge. I've worked on?multiple projects that had some old legacy computer?running a critical program. All is good until the?old?computer gives up the?ghost and it's difficult to restore. If you are running a legacy program on an old OS, it should be run on a VM..??

On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:17 AM John Lindo <bechetboat@...> wrote:
Hi Jerry

Thanks for the post, all very interesting.
I use Mastercam V8.01 and is about 25 years old. it can only run on Windows 7 32 bit.
If you want to purchase Mastercam Ver 13 ??? The latest, try $4000 plus a yearly?seat license of?$1500?
but my oldie? produces all? of the CAD I require for CAM, ( producing toolpaths) in 3D if needed for my
CNC mill and also serves as my design for STL file conversion for my 3D printer.
I use Win 7 exclusively for all my gcode generation, and I use Win 10 for the "Hello?dolly'' stuff.
Never let me down yet, but who knows.
Linux is OK, but I was never introduced to it when making a?living cutting metal on CNC lathes and mills, so why change something?that works for me at my age.
All good for future discussion.
Thanks again for the post.

John




On Sun, 18 Jul 2021 at 06:41, Jerry Trantow <jerry.trantow@...> wrote:
I played around with lots of control systems and have settled on running linuxCNC on a PC with ethernet Mesa cards. Parallel ports are slightly cheaper but run out of bandwidth for encoders. I have a Mesa 7i92 and a 7i96 and I think the 7i96 might be a better fit for you. (you shouldn't need the chinesium break out board)
If you go the linuxCNC/Mesa route it's really convenient to have one network connection for the Mesa card and another network connection for internet and other networking tasks. (like sharing your CAM files) I used a raspberry pi 4 with the?mesa card for a little while, then a dumpster diving friend delivered 18 used medical computers and I switched all my machines to touch screen PCs with dual network connections. (if you are interested, I still have four computer systems available?on ebay. search "linuxcnc touchscreen")

I have been very happy with some cheap closed loop steppers on my Rockwell vertical mill. My 9x20 uses a Gecko 540?and I just added linear scales. Going forward, I think I will go with closed loop steppers or try servos.

I have settled on the Meanwell RSP-1000-48 as my goto 1000W power supply. I have purchased several from ebay?for ~$100. They are quiet rock solid power supplies.

WIth LinuxCNC you could use either open or closed loop steppers AND use the build in DRO scales for position feedback. (This would require adding a Mesa 7i85s for the extra encoder channels.) There is good support in LinuxCNC for this.
I think you will save a lot of projects by integrating your existing DROs into the control system. Basically, it will stop if the DRO doesn't match what the gcode?says. With my mill, I started using linuxCNC as a simple DRO.display without any motor control for?a?couple?months. Then added motors. Next up is adding a spindle encoder for rigid tapping.
I like the fact that closed loop steppers provide an alarm signal if they can't achieve the desired position.
My lathe and router started out with motors couplers. My mill uses a timing belt for the z and recently I changed my lathe x to a timing belt. 3D printed timing gears work fantastic if you have access to a printer. Belts give you a lot of options for motor placement and you can gear up/down.

On the CAD side, Fusion360 has a learning curve but there are a lot of youtube how to videos.

Rockwell vertical mill - LinuxCNC touchscreen PC,?closed loop steppers, linear encoders XYZ, VFD for spindle. Logitech jog.
Jet 920 9x20 lathe - LinuxCNC touchscreen PC, open loop steppers with Gecko 540, linear encoders XZ and 260 pulses per rev spindle encoder, VFD for spindle. z touch off, Logitech jog.
Homebuilt Aluminum extrusion router - LinuxCNC touchscreen PC, open? loop steppers with Gecko 540, z touchoff?Logitech jog.
Homebuilt Aluminum extrusion 3D printer running Marlin.



On Sat, Jul 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM CLevinski <clevinski@...> wrote:
Hello, All,

I see from the lack of posts that we've all been busy with getting back to our lives as the COVID pandemic seems to gradually be coming under control. I must admit that it feels good to eat in an actual restaurant and meet friends face to face after such a long hiatus!

I have been considering doing an CNC conversion to my mini-mill for a while. Though I am fairly happy with my current mill, there are some weaknesses: rack and pinion drive for the Z-axis, a poor gib arrangement that requires frequent adjusting, and no quill, to name a few. So, after some research, I purchased the Grizzly M1116 mini-mill. I am a bit excited, as evidenced by the fact that I changed the cover photo to an image of this mill! It has a Z-axis lead screw drive, tapered gibs, a quill, and built in DROs. You can review the full spec . I purchased the Grizzly stand with it, as well. Unfortunately, a knee injury has me sidelined at the present so it is sitting in my garage, waiting for me to arrange transport to my basement. All I can do is look inside the crate!

I know that a number of you have done CNC conversions, and would like to ask what CNC hardware/controller you use and what you consider its advantages and disadvantages?

As usual with me, I am sure that the conversion will take a while. I am not known for my rapid completion of projects! So I will keep the project status updated here.
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Regards,

Charlie
New Jersey, USA

SATTINGER¡¯S LAW: It works better if you plug it in.
EDWARD'S LAW: It works even better if you turn it on.


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John

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