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Follow up on the passenger car
umtrr
You might recall that I had wondered about a Milwaukee Road passenger
car that Rivarossi did, advertised on that Leading Internet Trading Community as being "Atlas". Since this was a potential hole in the A1G story, I bid on and won this car. Not to worry, however: Despite how it was advertised, it was a Rivarossi product with no Atlas markings. And it was in a Riva box with a Con-Cor label. (CC distributed Riva for a while.) So the only things I need to be concerned about is the proliferation of variations that you guys are discovering and the Euro-A1Gs. Which is enough! :-) -Your list-owner |
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Brushes and springs
Hi everybody,
I have added a note to my site on "The Rivarossi Motor" page regarding replacement parts for the above, since they haven't been available from Atlas or Rivarossi for many years. Here is a reiteration of what I think I have posted before but doesn't hurt to repeat: Unfortunately, they are no longer available through the usual sources. Atlas stopped stocking them years ago. I doubt whether Con-Cor has any either although it's a possibility. However, I found suitable replacements in the slot car section of my local hobby shop. Specifically, they are "Wizzard" brand parts as follows: ST04 Stock Tyco Brush Springs-2 pr. ST02 Stock Tyco Motor Brushes OR LLS02 Stock Life-Like Motor Brushes The brushes are the same diameter as the original Rivarossi brushes but they are about 1.5 mm too long so they just need to be trimmed to the right length. The springs are a drop in replacement, same length and diameter although made of steel instead of copper. There may be other brands of replacement parts that would work too. I suppose it would also be possible to contact the above two makers for these parts although the part numbers would probably be different. I got a few original sets from eBay and I see auctions once in a great while for old Atlas parts but probably not often enough if you are in immediate need. You don't have to be too quick to discard the original brushes as I have found that they will still work down to about half the original length. Usually, as long as they stick out beyond the end of the brush holder, the motor will work. You can also carefully stretch the spring a little bit to get the brush out farther. I know that John O'Neal has found the same parts under a different brand name and has indicated that he will post this information also. Regards, Doug |
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I need to find out the brand name of the spring/brush set I bought so we
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can list it for others. Thanks, John O'Neal dgosha@... wrote: Hi, |
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2402 variations
Edward Bridges
This afternoon I received my second 2402 UP gondola. I knew there
were two different road numbers (60900 and 62005) but I didn't know the lettering was different colors on them. The two I have are different. My 60900 is made in Austria, brown with yellow lettering, while my 62005 is made in the USA, brown with white lettering and lines above and below road number and reporting marks. Is there another difference I am not aware of? I continue to stumble upon variations. I will keep looking. Edward Bridges Granger, TX |
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Re: 2200 series variations
Thanks for posting these Ross.
Boy, there sure is a big difference in the browns on the pennsy cars. Both of my 2202s are large road number versions but my 2286 is a small road number version. There isn't that much difference in the browns on mine though. The 2286 is a tad darker. Also, this spurred me into posting my two 2204s too, something I've been meaning to do for a long time. The top car is a very early one and the orange is noticeably lighter than on the newer version which is a very red-orange. Not so apparent in the scan is the fact that the green is darker on the newer car too. Doug |
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2201 variations
I forgot to mention. Look at the last 9 in the road number--on the
top version it appears to be squeezed-in. And of course there is the version with the yellow lettering. It appears to match the bottom version in terms of lettering and its insert say "2201 Flor. E. Coast Box Car". Ross. |
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2200 series variations
I have posted some images of the variations on the 2200 series
boxcars. 2202: Small and Large lettering. Also, the small letter version has very flat paint, while the large letter version has a glossy paint. Also, variations on the insert. Large says "2202 Pennsylv. Box Car", while the small version's insert is "2202 PRR 41' Box Car". 2201: I found three variations. Top version has different slant to the Speedway lettering. Lettering is a little thicker on this version. Insert says "2001 F. E. C. 41' Box Car". The second version has the flatest paint. Top and bottom version appear to have a satin paint that is turning to flat, while this version appears to have had a flat paint from the beginning. Also this version has the darkest blue. Lettering on this version is faint. Insert says "2201 Florida East Coast Box Cars". The third version has the same lettering pattern as the second, put the lettering is darker. Glossier type paint, similar to first version. The insert says "2201 Fl. East Coast Box Car". 2204: Top version has a slightly more organge color to the top paint. Also, lettering not as sharp. Great Northern is thicker. Look at the differences in the G.N. above the number. Top version has flatter paint. Insert on top car says "2204 Great Northern Box Cars", while the bottom insert says "2204 Great Northern 41' Box Car". Have also posted a photo of the 2286 variations, will provide more information later. Ross. |
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Re: Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
T A Meserole
Ola,
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Thanks for the catalog and price list scans. I had fun looking through it and comparing it to my database of trains. Thanks, Tom olaahlstrom wrote: --- In a1g@..., T A Meserole <tmeserole@c...> wrote:style steel |
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Re: Yet another variation found!!!
Edward Bridges
Edward, you old sleuth you. If I had any money to spend on thisstuff, I would be scouring the e site all the time again! I am glad I have stumbled upon some not well documented variations in some of this stuff. Most of them seem to me to be changes in the way the lettering was applied (as in the Gulf oil car). I buy as time permits and funding permits (I am far from being deep in debt [a good thing], so I have funding to spend freely). I watch the site every day for new A1G stuff. You have to watch out for those who snipe internet auctions though (sniping should be illegal). I have been sniped a lot lately. A lot of stuff lately goes for a lot more than its really worth on that "auction site". Yes, I paid a lot for what I have accumulated since July, but I think its worth it. The following is a list of what I STILL NEED to fill out my accumulation of A1G freight cars [catalog numbers are from Mr. Irwin's web site](if it ISN'T listed here, I already have it): 2201b 2223 2224a 2224b 2232 2333 2334 2241b 2254b 2263a 2263b 2264b 2266 2267 2271a 2271b 2281a 2281b 2281c 2291 2292a 2294 2295 2302b 2367 2371 2372 2384 2395 2413 2414 2415 2417 2421 2423 2424 2435c (this one is very hard to find) 3002 3011 3012 3013 3014 3024 3031 This is all I need to fill out my accumulation. I have listed some cars here that I do have, but not in the original box (I prefer the original box). If you have any extra cars listed above for sale, I would be willing to buy them, provided they are in their original boxes. I will continue to look for variations. You never know, I may find some more! Edward Bridges A1G accumulator Granger, TX |
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Re: Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
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style steel reefers?each end, along withas: Interfrigo, Migros Suisse, Stef, Spatenbr?u M¨¹nchen, Findus,Staufen Br?u. Tom, I have scanned a Swedish pricelist (Files/..../Swedish pricelist page 1) that lists the European cars. To be able to read it here are some translations: oppen = gondola kylvagn = reefer tackt = box car tankvagn = tank car flakvagn = flat car Second hand Atlas cars (US or European) are not that hard to find in Scandinavia. Almost every type of car is aviable in second hand shops in Copenhagen for about $10. Ola Ahlstrom Malmo, Sweden |
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Re: Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
T A Meserole
George & Doug:
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First, Thank You both for you kind replies. My reseach into beverage cars indicate that the Atlas Rivarossi Euro reefers were released in the USA from 1969 to 1976. I do not have a catalog handy to scan for you, so I apologize for lack of documentation. I have obtained my information from Euro beer car collectors and some of their web sites, as well as, some of their notes. So I guess based on the dates, you will have to include them at some point. You should note that many of these same cars were also released in Europe by Rivarossi, but under different product numbers. The Rivarossi product numbers appear to be in the range of 9300 to 9326. For example Spatenbr???u M???nchen shows up as both Atlas 2467 and Rivarossi 9310. I have a couple of these cars, but as you can imagine, they are a little harder to find than the rest of the early Atlas cars. George, we are tentatively planning for Chantilly. (My wife, Bobbi, job is due to end before then, which means its my turn to go to work again, which may get in the way of the convention.) If we make it there, I would love to sit and drink with you. Now when one scales beverages from life size to N scale, I know you shrink the size of the container, but my blonde question is "Do you scale the alcohol content up to compensate?" Doug, will you be in Chantilly to join us for drink? If so, I give you both pointers on how to get Euro catalogs via ebay DE or ebay UK. By the way, the February issue of Hundeman's N Scale magazine will have an article refering to the upcoming convention. Tom George Irwin wrote: At 12:18 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:Tom asked about non-US Atlas offerings being included in A1G, |
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Re: Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
George Irwin
At 12:18 PM 2/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Tom asked about non-US Atlas offerings being included in A1G, I would say that if they were released during the same time period that theAnd I reply: What he said. Seriously, though, I should either put a disclaimer on my site or expand my horizons. I may have to do the first for now and aim for the second later. Tom, you'll be in Chantilly, right? Perhaps we can discuss a plan, over a bottle of something that may have been carried by one of the examples you cite. Although a pint in N Scale is only about .02 ounce, isn't it? --Your list owner |
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Re: Yet another variation found!!!
There is also small and large lettering for the 2202 PRR 40' Boxcar. It
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is very similar at the 2286. -----Original Message-----
From: Edward Bridges [mailto:edward_bridges@...] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:14 PM To: a1g@... Subject: [a1g] Yet another variation found!!! I was sorting my accumulation again this afternoon and noticed I have two different #2286 cars. Both are PRR 40' double door boxcars, but one has a small road number while the other has a large road number and both have the same road number (yes, the same number as two other PRR boxcars in the series as well). Thought I would point this out. I guess I missed it the other day when I was sorting them and adding the new arrivals. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... <mailto:a1g-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Re: Yet another variation found!!!
I wrote:
Edward wrote: There is also small and large lettering for the 2202 PRR 40' Boxcar. It Edward, you old sleuth you. If I had any money to spend on this stuff, Iwould be scouring the e site all the time again! DougOops. I see now that Ross wrote that. Looks like I had a "moment" there. OK, so you're both old sleuths. Doug |
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Re: Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
Tom asked:
Does Atlas 1st Generation include the Atlas Rivarossi European style steel reefers? 38' long steel cars with hinge doors and brakeman's platform on each end, along with Euro style car bumpers. This would be product numbers 2461 thru 2486 and include such names as: Interfrigo, Migros Suisse, Stef, Spatenbr?u M¨¹nchen, Findus, Staufen Br?u. Tom Meserole I would say that if they were released during the same time period that the first generation US released cars were (1967-1971), then yes, they would be considered A1G. Also, being manufactured by Rivarossi makes them viable candidates because after the 1G, Atlas made their cars here in America. So far, however, George, Ross, and I have concentrated on the equipment that was available in the US. On my part, it is mainly due to the issues involved in researching European stuff (availability of catalogs, magazines, etc.). I know Ola has posted some pages from European Atlas catalogs in the files section of the list and this is a start, but accounting for every release may be quite an undertaking. After I get my site pretty much squared away with the US product, I may look into including the European prototype locomotives, maybe only in a listing format since I know very little about them. Doug Gosha [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Does Atlas 1st Generation include?
T A Meserole
Does Atlas 1st Generation include the Atlas Rivarossi European style steel
reefers? 38' long steel cars with hinge doors and brakeman's platform on each end, along with Euro style car bumpers. This would be product numbers 2461 thru 2486 and include such names as: Interfrigo, Migros Suisse, Stef, Spatenbr???u M???nchen, Findus, Staufen Br???u. Tom Meserole |
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Re: Catalog Numbers of First Generation N Scale Trains.
Edward Bridges
A sure bet to whether or not you have a genuine A1G car is look at
the number on the box. If that number is 3200 or higher, it ISN'T A1G. Locomotives, now that is a different story. I have many Atlas engines that are packaged like the A1G, but are actually A2G. Mr. Doug Gosha's site can help with the motive power. It's nice to see more interest in this stuff. I have been seriously accumulating since July, 2003 and have about 85% of it, most of it MIB! some of the cars can be a real pain to find in good shape at a decent price. (I have a stach of some harder to find A1G cars that i add to as I find them). I mainly go after only cars still in their original boxes as they are worth more than the loose cars. I look at this accumulation as an investment. My advice on what you have would be to hold on to it, especially if its in very good shape. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) |
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Re: Catalog Numbers of First Generation N Scale Trains.
Jeff wrote:
Hello, I am new here. But I have looked all over the web at the various sites listing the trains with pictures, and still I can't figure out where the catalog number "cut off" point is for first generation models. I have a few Engines remaining from my collection as a kid 30 years ago. One is the Santa Fe 4021 I have not seen listed on the web sites nor on ebay. But perhaps I don't know how to find it. I've considered selling them off, but never had the guts to do it. Considering they are still in original boxes, and not a nick of paint missing, I can't, I just can't. Perhaps I should replace missing cars rather than sell the engines off. Thanks in advance, Jeff Do not, I repeat do not sell them off :") But seriously, your 4021 Santa Fe industrial switcher would be a second generation engine. It was made by Roco and that is the manufacturer Atlas went with after the end of relationships with Rivarossi and Mehanotehnika. Have you visited the three A1G sites? George Irwin's lists, and has images, of all the first generation freight and passenger cars. Ross Fink's covers the four different body style kits that were available for a relatively short period of time. My site covers the first generation locomotives. These sites should get you pretty much oriented on what is and what is not first generation equipment. Here are the URLs: George's site: . Ross' site: My site: You probably won't find anything on the web specifically dealing with the second generation stuff. Generally, any car with a catalog number starting in the 320x series or higher is second generation and any locomotive with a catalog number starting in the 400X series is second generation. The one exception, in my view anyway, is the Cow/Calf units which are 4001 - 4015. I have included these among the first generation locomotives because they were made by Rivarossi, the last Rivarossi would ever make for Atlas. Of course, the car kits have a different numbering series, 5XXX, but were made well within the time period we're interested in (late sixties- very early seventies). Feel free to ask further questions, Doug Gosha |
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