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I am looking for some extra A1G auto rack automobiles. I recently
acquired an old Atlas auto rack (PC) and there was three automobiles
missing.

Willing to pay fair price for these if anyone has any to spare.

Thanks!

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

I own about 25 or so of the old Atlas engines as well aa a few of
the passenger cars, many of them still in their original boxes.

If needed, I could scan what I have for your use on the site.

I would like to learn more about the A1G motive power.

Edward Bridges

Oops. If another post shows up with this subject heading and is blank, it was
a pre-keyboard problem:>)

Anyway, I thought this might be useful in collecting the A1G cars too.

Generally, the earliest cars from Roco (1966-1967) were painted with a very
flat finish paint. In fact, it wasn't really stable and you could "shine" the
paint just by handling the car. I know this from first hand experience (my
Blatz car has evidence of this). Of course, as usual, there are exceptions. I have
a fairly early Shell 3 dome tanker and the orange paint on it is more like
the later satin finish. Anybody have one with the flat paint?

I also have two of the Great Northern 40' boxcars, one very early and the
other a little newer. On the oldest one, both the orange and green are flat
finish whereas on the newer one, the green is flat but the orange is satin. The
orange is more red on the newer car too. In both cases, the lettering is pretty
shiny.

As I stated above, later on they seem to have generally swtched to a more
satin finish paint and you could rub this without changing the appearance.

The paint on the Rivarossi made cars seems to have been fairly consistent.
Some colors were flatter than others but you rub the paint and the appearance
wouldn't change.

Of course, maybe I'm all wet here because I just went and looked at my two
blue bulkhead log flat cars, which were made later, and they have the flat paint
which gets shiny with handling.

Still, I think what I have stated here is generally true.

Regards,
Doug

Hi all... glad to see some life in this board! A few thoughts...

With respect to the passenger cars being put up on the A1G website,
yes, it's certainly something I'd consider. Although Rivarossi and
then Arnold/Rivarossi have made these available for years now, they
did "start" as A1Gs.

There are two principal barriers to getting this done: (1) time (2) a
new scanner - no, I still haven't gotten to that task.

I am also concerned, though, about something I read on another board,
that the "spookshow" site with all the locomotives including the A1Gs
was dormant and that its owner was leaving the scale/hobby. If
that's true, I might need to take on the task of putting the A1G
motive power out on my site too; which will be a bit of a bother
since I do not own all of it, or even most of it.

With respect to posting wants, trading and selling, go for it. I
don't see why not and maybe you can avoid *Bay fees. Just don't go
overboard.

With respect to boxed A1Gs, I think I mentioned that most of mine
aren't, or won't ever be again since the boxes have been hopelessly
separated from the cars.

All for now... back to work...

--Your list-owner

Hi everybody,

Speaking of A1G cars:>) Here is some more info that my be of interest to some
of us.

Atlas used a few different variations of wheels during the first generation.

The earliest cars had wheels that were more of a bronze color than black.
They also had a smaller diameter plastic insulation ring that could not readily
be seen because the journal hid it.

Shortly thereafter, the wheels were actually black but still had the smaller
insulation ring.

Then came the black wheels with a larger insulation ring that can be easily
seen.

Beginning with the importation of cars from Rivarossi, the wheels on these
cars were silver with the larger ring. Some of the later releases from Roco (log
flat, container flat, HI-Cubes, etc.) had these wheels too. Also the cars
Atlas made here in the U.S.A.

This may be of some help in determining the approximate iteration a
particular car might be although I realize it is easy enough to swap trucks or
wheels.Truck swapping can sometimes be detected because there are usually dents in the
truck pins from the use of a tool to push them in.

There is a variation regarding the 2304 Pacific Fruit Express 50' reefer that
isn't covered in the Greenberg Guide, although it may be in other
publications I'm not aware of. These came with either black or silver ends on them.

Regards,
Doug

Rick wrote:

Hi everyone,
I finally buckled down and got my A1G cars together and made a listing
to send out here on the A1G user group mailer. The list reads as
follows........Atlas manufacturer number, Roadname, type of car roadnumber
and added description were needed, so here it goes...........
1. #2381a PC 40' single door steel boxcar RD#65420 (this
is a car kit)

The kit number is 5004. The 2381 built-up car I have has road # 65638 which
is a type "B" as in the Greenberg supplement. The 2381 also has a different
door style that the kit version.

2. #2287a IC 40' double door steel boxcar RD#41677 (orange
color car)
3. #2287b IC 40' double door steel boxcar RD#41877 (brown
color car)
4. #2231 NS 40' composite gondola RD#NS 7700 (also
know as outside braced)
5. #2232 RDG 40' composite gondola RD#1800 ( "
" )
6. #2233 MON 40' composite gondola RD#2020
7. #2314 CB&Q 47' centerflow covered hopper RD#85117
8. #2342 N&W center depressed flatcar RD#?????? (no
roadnumber on car)

Correct. This car was released that way.

9. #2281a SP 40' steel flat with bulkheads RD# NW 5373 (N&W
reporting marks)

This is also correct.

10.#2351 PRR 50' flat with 2 "Acme" trailers RD#30259
11.#2352 ATSF 50' flat with 2 "Republic" trailers RD#90000
12.#2271b ATSF off center cupola caboose RD#1951

I will post later in the future upon finding more A1G cars as I find them to
share with everyone. I made one fatal error back in 1984. I had a whole slew
of A!G cars that I bought in the 60's when I was in grade school. They were
all in original condition in their correct cases. I decided for some
strange reason to give up on N scale back in "84" to get married. (Love has
a way to screw with your mind????) I sold off everything I had to another N
scaler who was just starting off. By 1989, I got back into the hobby with a
fever and haven't looked back since.I sure wish now that I had those cars I
sold back in "84". I didn't need to sell those A1G cars as my wife doesn't
have a problem with my "railroad addiction" and she fully supports it. A
word to the wise, if you ever get tried or just want to get out of the hobby
for a while, please do this..........
Box everthing up and store it away or have a family member save it for you.
Then you'll never be in the position that I am as wishing to have something
you lost in the past...........
(I was the original owner of those original cars...................oh well)

Yup, this is why I have never sold any of my train stuff even when interest
waned at times. I just knew I would regret it someday. The only thing "wrong" I
did with some of my A1G cars was to "improve" them by painting the roofwalks
the same color as the car or adding Kadee (as they were called back then)
couplers. Some I have rebought so I could have an original but others I have not.

Rick
P.S. George if you happen to read this, what do you think of adding
passenger cars to the A1G list?
These do fall under the catagory of "rollingstock" and Atlas did have some
during their A1G period. I can remember ATSF, PRR and B&O passenger cars
that were made to go with their E7&8 locos........
(Just a suggestion)

Yes, all of the passenger cars Atlas released would be considered 1st
generation cars. They never made any after this.

If you have any questions concerning the A1G cars, feel free to ask. I have
all of them and I know George does too.

Regards,
Doug

Hi everyone,
I finally buckled down and got my A1G cars together and made a listing to send out here on the A1G user group mailer. The list reads as follows........Atlas manufacturer number, Roadname, type of car roadnumber and added description were needed, so here it goes...........
1. #2381a PC 40' single door steel boxcar RD#65420 (this is a car kit)
2. #2287a IC 40' double door steel boxcar RD#41677 (orange color car)
3. #2287b IC 40' double door steel boxcar RD#41877 (brown color car)
4. #2231 NS 40' composite gondola RD#NS 7700 (also know as outside braced)
5. #2232 RDG 40' composite gondola RD#1800 ( " " )
6. #2233 MON 40' composite gondola RD#2020
7. #2314 CB&Q 47' centerflow covered hopper RD#85117
8. #2342 N&W center depressed flatcar RD#?????? (no roadnumber on car)
9. #2281a SP 40' steel flat with bulkheads RD# NW 5373 (N&W reporting marks)
10.#2351 PRR 50' flat with 2 "Acme" trailers RD#30259
11.#2352 ATSF 50' flat with 2 "Republic" trailers RD#90000
12.#2271b ATSF off center cupola caboose RD#1951

I will post later in the future upon finding more A1G cars as I find them to share with everyone. I made one fatal error back in 1984. I had a whole slew of A!G cars that I bought in the 60's when I was in grade school. They were all in original condition in their correct cases. I decided for some strange reason to give up on N scale back in "84" to get married. (Love has a way to screw with your mind????) I sold off everything I had to another N scaler who was just starting off. By 1989, I got back into the hobby with a fever and haven't looked back since.I sure wish now that I had those cars I sold back in "84". I didn't need to sell those A1G cars as my wife doesn't have a problem with my "railroad addiction" and she fully supports it. A word to the wise, if you ever get tried or just want to get out of the hobby for a while, please do this..........
Box everthing up and store it away or have a family member save it for you. Then you'll never be in the position that I am as wishing to have something you lost in the past...........
(I was the original owner of those original cars...................oh well)
Rick
P.S. George if you happen to read this, what do you think of adding passenger cars to the A1G list?
These do fall under the catagory of "rollingstock" and Atlas did have some during their A1G period. I can remember ATSF, PRR and B&O passenger cars that were made to go with their E7&8 locos........
(Just a suggestion)

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Hi everybody,

FWIW, in case anybody else other than me is interested in the boxes too, here
are the different ways Atlas' 5" plastic boxes appeared:

The earliest cars came in the taped Roco box ("Atlas Made In Austria" in top
left corner) with no paper insert or cradle. There were merely clear plastic
spacers or postioners to hold the car in place when the lid was put on. There
was a single label stuck onto one end of the box indicating catalogue number
and car type. This is the type of box my earliest cars (1967) came in.

Shortly after (or maybe even concurrently) they began to use the blue cradle
in the same outside box. In this case, the paper insert had only one end
extended up the end of the outside box (the left end when facing the top of the box
with "ATLAS" at the top) to list the car number and type. The top side of the
insert (toward the cradle) was colored a light blue. Other cars in the line
were listed on the bottom of the insert but passenger cars were absent.

After the above came the most common form of packaging. The same outside box
and blue cradle, but the papar insert was extended up both ends of the outside
box and had the car number and type on each end. The insert was all-white
with other cars in the line listed on the bottom including the standard
heavyweight passenger cars.

Keep in mind that the progression from one type of packaging to the next was
fairly rapid. Probably only a matter of months. I'm pretty sure that by mid
1968 the third type was in place.

Beginning in 1968, Atlas also began releasing the Rivarossi made cars and
these came in a different plastic box which had a lid that "snapped" into place
and just "ATLAS" at the top left corner. There was a blue cradle too although
it was slightly different (shallower). The approximate manufacture date was
printed on the bottom of the paper insert along with the Rivarossi stylized "R"
Other cars available were listed on the bottom also.

When Atlas began to make some cars here in the U.S.A., they used the same box
as with the Riv cars but the paper insert was blank on the bottom and the
ends now included the "railroad track" Atlas logo rather than just "ATLAS" My
original beercan tank cars came with a clear plastic cradle but others had
basically the same cradle as the Riv cars (blue).

Then, of course, there were the car kits in cardboard boxes and the larger
cars in bigger boxes but these would be different subjects.

Regards,
Doug

Many thanks for the input on my question. I sort of figured it
wasn't original, but wanted to ask the experts. I do have some
straight Atlas boxcar frames here in my junk box, so will restore
this car to its original condition.

I am attempting to build my accumulation of old Atlas cars, but have
started to concentrate on the boxed cars. I do have several that do
not have boxes. Someday, I want to build a display case to display
all this stuff in (I am working on accumulating locomotives, frieght
cars and passenger cars from the A1G era).

They aren't kidding this stuff is easy to come by. In just the past
2 months, I have acquired about 35 freight cars, 8 locomotives and
one passenger car, mostly from ebay.

I do have some duplicate cars here. Anyone need a M&StL coal hopper
(A1G 2422)? I have three extra cars I would be willing to trade for
other cars or sell outright.

Email me offlist if interested.

Edward Bridges
AustNtrak member: Austin, TX
Granger, TX

At 10:07 PM 7/14/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I recently purchased a #2394, Miller High Life 40' refirgerator
car. I thought it was odd that the underframe says Atlas Austria on
it.

Wasn't this car made by Rivarossi in Italy?

I will defer to Charlie for a second opinion on this, but my copy of the Miller car and the other refrigerators I have in this group (MDT, ATSF El Cap, Morrell, Safeway, Carnation Milk, IC, REA) all have just "Atlas" stamped on the underframe with no country of origin.

Riva has been re-issuing and reselling this body style for quite a number of years, and Arnold is still selling the El Cap and IC roadnames, so it seems logical that these cars were made in Italy for a while.

BTW...This car didn't have a box.

Most of mine don't either... I don't worry about that. Accumulating A1G means never having to say 'factory air.' (Even if you can figure out which factory!)

Is this a complete car or do I need to find a new frame for the car?

I think that's up to your sense of how complete you need your car to be. We're easy :-)

-Your list-owner

I recently purchased a #2394, Miller High Life 40' refirgerator
car. I thought it was odd that the underframe says Atlas Austria on
it.

Wasn't this car made by Rivarossi in Italy?

BTW...This car didn't have a box.

Is this a complete car or do I need to find a new frame for the car?

Any help would be appreciated.

Edward Bridges

Edward,

Somebody must have replaced the original underframe with one from an Atlas
Roco car.

The Miller car was definitely made by Rivarossi and should just have "Atlas"
underneath as George stated.

Doug

I need to make a list and post them here of the A1G cars I got so
far.

For those who care to read this, here is a list of what I have
accumulated within the past couple of months: (condition in
parenthesis)

2302 Safeway 50' reefer (MIB)
2321 SHPX centerflow hopper (MIB)
2341 CN depressed center flat (MIB)
2347 Subruban gas jumbo tank (MIB)
2348 Warren jumbo tank (MIB)
2363 PRR 40' OB wood box (ib/weathered/MTs)
2364 Seaboard 40' OB wood box (no box)
2368 Muncie & Western 40' OB wood box (no box)
2374 Reading 40' fishbelly flat (MIB)
2383 New Haven 40' box (MIB)
2422 M&StL 4 bay offset side hopper (no box)
3104 PC/TTX auto rack (complete car/all autos intact)

The majority of these I purchased off ebay, but I have some I
purchased at local swap meets and from other hobbyists.

I am also accumulating the locomotives and the passenger cars.

I see these cars at swap meets all the time, just never really was
interested in them until finding George Irwin's web site and saw
what all was produced. I like a challenge, so this new branch of
the hobby should prove to be a fun one.

I will post my duplicate cars for sale here so others who are
looking for cars can find them.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

Hi, Glad to see some life in the A1G. I've been reading the e-mailings on Edwards new find of woodside box.E-bay is a great way to find some items especially in model railroading that would otherwise be hard to find. The thing that you really have to watch out for are the dis-honest sellers who try to pull the wool over the eyes of would be buyers. I know of a few individuals who got burned thru e-bay and didn't get what was pictured in the auctions. My friend Jeff bid on a Rivarossi steam loco that was suppose to be in mint condition. He won the bid and upon recieving it, notice it was all in parts. This wasn't broken during shipment, this was mailed out this way. So, when bidding on A1G cars, throughly check them out the best you can by checking the seller's rating (good or bad) and e-mail the seller with question concerning the item up for bid. The A1G site is the best place to check for proper A1G cars. Some people I've ran into think that all cars that were manufacturered in Austria are A1G cars even though they were made for other companies other than Atlas. A true Atlas A1G car will usually have the Atlas stamp on the bottom. As for e-bay, you'll have to take the stance of "buyer beware" when bidding. The best place to buy A1G cars are thru a model railroad swapmeet. Make a list of what cars your after using the A1G site for reference and throughly examine the cars you what to purchase making sure that the entire car is made of true A1G parts from it's road number to it's wheelsets. This site has worked great for me on finding cars, especially the two different color versions of the 40' steel double door IC boxcar. This came in brown and orange. It's odd seeing a IC boxcar that would normally at the time be orange in a brown color. I need to make a list and post them here of the A1G cars I got so far. My favorite being the Monon composite gondola. Always liked that one as a kid and I still do!
Rick

From: "Edward Bridges" <edward_bridges@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: [a1g] Re: Odd car
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2003 19:16:26 -0000

The 2363 is a wood box car with road number 39857.

Well, at least I did get a box for the 2363 as it was listed as no
box.

Thanks for the information.

Edwarsd Bridges
Granger, TX

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The 2363 is a wood box car with road number 39857.

Well, at least I did get a box for the 2363 as it was listed as no
box.

Thanks for the information.

Edwarsd Bridges
Granger, TX

Dopey Doug wrote:

Hi Edward,

You're right, the first one you bought is not an A1G car. The 2363 is a wood
box car with road number 39857.

The one in your picture is probably a Con-Cor 1001E. Does it have any
indication on the underside of manufacturer? Is the under side plastic or
metal?

Doug

Sorry, this was supposed to go directly to Edward and same with the next
one:>)

Doug

Oops, I forgot you said you hadn't received the car as yet. When it does
arrive, look underneath to see if there is a manufacturer indicated.

Of course, even if it did start out to be a Con-Cor 1001E, that doesn't mean
somebody, sometime, didn't change parts around:>)

Doug

Hi Edward,

You're right, the first one you bought is not an A1G car. The 2363 is a wood
box car with road number 39857.

The one in your picture is probably a Con-Cor 1001E. Does it have any
indication on the underside of manufacturer? Is the under side plastic or metal?

Doug

I recently purchased a boxcar off ebay which was sold as Atlas 2363
PRR 47011.

I also purchased the actual 2363. I think the cars were swapped in
their boxes. I have posted a picture of the odd boxcar in the photo
section.

I would like to know if this car is actually an A1G car or not. I
haven't received the car as of yet. After looking over the A1G
site, I cannot find a car lettered as this one is.

Any help would be appreciated.

Edward Bridges