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Had occassion to pick up a 2402 Union Pacific gondola during my
travels the past couple of weeks. But guess what... although it's
got the same catalog number as the original A1G release, it's not an
A1G!

The A1G release under this cat number is yellow lettering on freight
car red and carries reporting marks UP 60900.

This one with the same cat number is white lettering on freight car
red and carries reporting marks UP 62005. The underframe is clearly
marked "Atlas USA".

I'd put this later UP item in the same chronology as the Wabash and
Rock Island gons that are already in the accumulation. Wingard has
three other gons allegedly from this time period but never produced:
Chicago & Illinois Midland, B&O and Soo Line.

Wingard does list this UP gon, or should I say both, but has both
with yellow lettering.

A rare find? Well, I doubt it, but certainly another curiosity and
another example of an A1G cat number being repeated for later use.

Cheers,
George
(Your list owner)

Wow!

I just took a closer look at the photo of this car and it does appear that
the box is correct. I had only really looked at the car itself the first time. I
guess it goes to show that one should never assume when it comes to what
Atlas may have done in history.

So, this would mean that they released two different S.F. cabooses in two
different generations with the same catalog number. I have never seen this before
and now maybe it is possible that there are other 227X cabeese spanning both
generations.

It also means I may have to take back what I so confidently stated in my
previous post regarding this. \:")

Now, to find some way to confirm this odd turn of events.

Humbly,
Doug

I made a small error in my last post.

I wrote:

Then, suddenly, in the November 1973 AHC catalog, the stock car and double
door kits reappear on sale @ $1.09 each! I suspect that these were left over

stock though.

Actually, these two kits reappeared in the April 1972 AHC catalog at the sale
price. I may be partially forgiven, though, because it's kind of tough
finding stuff in those old AHC catalogs (really more like a newspaper) as they
scattered things around on different pages and made some of the listings very
small.

Doug

Hi everybody,

Well, I've been looking through old MRs and RMCs to try to pin down the time
period that the kits were offered by Atlas. While the beginning is fairly
sure, I haven't been able to determine when Atlas discontinued them. The first two
kits were introduced in the August 1968 issue of MR (boxcars and ore cars)
and the other two in the December 1968 issue (50' double door cars and stock
cars).

The last issue I have where Atlas still advertised them is the June 1969 MR
but I am missing the October 1969 - April 1970 issues so I can't state for sure
that that is the last ad for them.

They are not in my Atlas 1967-68 catalog nor in my 1972 catalog. I don't have
the 1969, 1970, or 1971 catalogs but it seems they would have been in at
least one of these. Does anybody have any of these catalogs to see?

Checking some old America's Hobby Center catalogs offers some hints, but
nothing concrete. In the April 1971 catalog, they still list the stock car and
double door kits at regular prices but the boxcar and ore car kits are not
listed. Instead, the RTR version of the Vermont boxcar has been added to the 2200
series (#2207) listing (I guess it does more resemble this series rather than
the 2380 series even if it has a different door style) and the RTR versions of
the ore cars are listed (#s 2451, 52, 53, and 54). The N&W, ACY, and Penn
Central cars were never added to the 2200 series.

In the October 1971 catalog, none of the kits are listed and the RTR versions
of the stock cars and double door boxcars have been added to the 2250 series
and 2330 series respectfully (#s 2255, 56, 57, and 58 stock/cattle cars and #s
2335, 36, 37, and 38 double doors). The stock cars are shown on George's
site under the A1.5G listing.

Then, suddenly, in the November 1973 AHC catalog, the stock car and double
door kits reappear on sale @ $1.09 each! I suspect that these were left over
stock though.

Some other interesting things I found: In the March 1968 MR Atlas ad, they
have a listing for the jumbo tank cars. #2347 is listed as Burlington and #2348
as Chicago Great Western. Of course, these really ended up being 2347 -
Suburban Propane and 2348 - Warren. The Greenberg guide shows this and that the two
initial cars were not manufactured.

The A1G Mikado was first announced as available in December of 1969.

The A1G Hi-Cube cars and 94 foot tank cars were first announced as available
in December of 1970 (convenient that new arrivals were available just in time
for Christmas huh)? These were announced as a "special collector's series" and
as a "limited quantity run" My God, it was already starting in 1970! (the
infamous limited run thing). The 3-Way remote switch was announced in this ad
too.

In the June 1971 RMC, there is an ad that announces the Beer Can Tank Cars
but what is interesting is an inset that shows two new road names for the 2400
series steel gondolas; 2405 - Wabash and 2406 - Rock Island. There was a mix-up
with this series too as originally, Atlas advertised #2405 as C&IM, #2406 as
B&O, and a #2407 as Soo Line (there never was a #2407). These extra two cars
can be seen on George's site too.

Well, that's it for now.

Regards,
Doug

It is definitely a 2nd generation Caboose. Also, look at the paper
insert. I associate that type of paper insert with the "Atlas and
Tracks" as a second generation paper insert. Atlas did this with the
2274 transfer caboose, of which I have several examples. George also
mentions it on the A1G Web site. However, this is the only other 2270
series that I have seen as a 2nd generation.

--- In a1g@..., "rlf892000" <rf@b...> wrote:

I found a A2G ATSF caboose, with Atlas part #2271. It has a
different road number from the A1G--1970. I have posted a photo in
the photos section of this group. Does anyone have any other A2G
caboose (2272, 2273)? The transfer caboose appears to be common in
the A2G.

This is not an Atlas #2271. An Atlas #2271 is a first generation car
with road #1951. The first generation cabeese have three evenly
spaced windows on each side starting at about the middle and going
away from the cupola. There is no divider in the middle of each
window; it is just a single opening. Also, the cupola is removable on
the A1G cars and not on the A2G cars.

The A2G cabeese have five windows on one side (cupola to the right)
and three unevenly spaced windows on the other. There is a divider in
the middle of each window.

There are other differences too (like riveted panel size) but these
are the main spotting features.

I don't know exactly what you have there because I can't find that
road number in the Greenberg guide, although there may have been a
later release with that number. The other 227X cars are A1G cars too.

Regards,
Doug

Ross wrote:

It is definitely a 2nd generation Caboose. Also, look at the paper
insert. I associate that type of paper insert with the "Atlas and
Tracks" as a second generation paper insert. Atlas did this with the
2274 transfer caboose, of which I have several examples. George also
mentions it on the A1G Web site. However, this is the only other 2270
series that I have seen as a 2nd generation.

Oops, I meant to mention that George has this information on his site. I also
forgot to ask if the caboose was bought as a 2271 and if the insert indicates
thus. If that's the case, then it has been reboxed.

2274 is the only second generation number, I believe, that was a continuation
of a first generation series (227X). I have several too and there were many
variations. I have one which doesn't have any paper insert at all and I know I
got this during the A1G time period so this is another kind of blurred area in
Atlas history.

Regards,
Doug

Doug, thanks for the "oops patrol" notation... this has been fixed.

I found a A2G ATSF caboose, with Atlas part #2271. It has a
different road number from the A1G--1970. I have posted a photo in
the photos section of this group. Does anyone have any other A2G
caboose (2272, 2273)? The transfer caboose appears to be common in
the A2G.

Hi all... in a flurry of activity (?) I have rescanned the four cars
in the A1G 2310 Covered Hopper series. I picked this group to
refresh in order to add Edward Bridges' variation scans on the 2311
Jack Frost and 2312 Bakelite Plastics cars-- long overdue, and thanks
again, Edward.

I think the new scanner is an improvement on the old one even in
terms of JPEGs. See for yourself...

I can pretty much guarantee that this will be it for a while, since
it's going to be traveling time for me for the first half of October.
Rats, just when I was getting going again on the site...

Cheers,
Your list owner and webmaster

Hi all... well, with the scanner problem finally solved, I have posted an image of the 2274 Transfer caboose which I acquired some time ago. With the exception of variations (which seem to be discovered more frequently these days, eh?) this completes the A1G accumulation of freight cars and they're all posted in one form on another on the A1G site. In addition, there's now an image comparing the A1G and A2G cabeese. Look for both on the 2270 listings, I've put an express link at the top of the opening page, lower frame.

I've also added a link to Ross Fink's kit page, as part of the same "Introduction and Acknowledgements" page.

Cheers,

--George in Ellison Park, New York
Unofficial Micro-Trains Release Report, Atlas First Generation,
Irwin's Journal Online, W&NY Railway -- all at

Well, I see that the going rate for a LNIB 94 foot tank car is
still right up there.

I know the feeling. I recently picked up all four 94 footers
from "that auction website" and paid about $150 for all four (3 in
one auction for $123.50 and one in an auction with 5 other cars for
$41). I also picked up all 4 86 foot boxcars and all 4 86 foot
stock cars as well. I have three of the four heilium cars (need a
box for 3031 though).

BTW...I picked up a very good condition 3033 on "that auction
website" the other day, it and three other cars, all MIB cost me the
large sum of only......get this......$26 (considering the going
price for a 3033 MIB is $35)! Now, if I could only find a 3034 in a
box...

I need to update my list of freight equipment as I now have at least
HALF of it (all within a period of 4 months!, most of it still in
its boxes!!.

Next aspect is passenger cars, which I only need a handful of, then
I will tackle locomotives (I have 22 of them right now, both A1G and
A2G).

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Atlas First Generation Accumulator
Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)

Hi everybody,

Well, I see that the going rate for a LNIB 94 foot tank car is still right up
there. There was an eBay auction that ended on the 21st for a Wanda and the
winning bid was 72 bucks!

I don't feel too bad now that I paid 60 something dollars each for a couple a
few years ago.

I do realize, of course, that eBay final winning bid prices are highly
variable :>)

Regards,
Doug

--- In a1g@..., "Fink, Ross" <rf@b...> wrote:

I had assumed that this version of the box came in the starter sets

only

because of the numbering on the plastic holder--1=reefer, 2=gondola,
etc. Is this correct? Or was this the standard box for the early

cars?

All of the cars that I have with the plastic holder on them follow

this

numbering.

Hmm, I didn't receive this post in my email but found it on the group
site. Oh well.

Anyway, yes, this was the standard box early on. The first ones I
bought seperately (i.e. not in train sets) are this style. The
numbers on the holders were probably for the benefit of the employees
who packed the cars into the boxes. They would know that a number "1"
was for a reefer, "2" for a gondola, etc. without having to closely
look at the holder to determine if it was correct.

Doug

I had assumed that this version of the box came in the starter sets only
because of the numbering on the plastic holder--1=reefer, 2=gondola,
etc. Is this correct? Or was this the standard box for the early cars?
All of the cars that I have with the plastic holder on them follow this
numbering.

Edward Bridges posted a car that was in an unusual box, and had foam
at the ends (see photo section of group). I believe that his box is
missing the plastic holders. I have found this type of box in Atlas
sets. The plastic holders have a number on them (1, 2, 3, or 4).
#1 for reefers, 2 for gondolas, 3 for flat cars, and 4 for cabeese.
I have posted photos in the photo section of examples for 1, 2, and
3. You can see the number through the lid. I have also posted a
photo of the holders out of the box.

The plastic holders were terrible. They tend to slip-out of place.
Replacing the plastic holders with foam would to protect the car.
Otherwise, the plastic holders would slip, and the car would move
around in the box when transported.

Ross.

Yup, I think this is why Atlas went to the blue cradle in short order. Only
the very earliest cars came with the plastic holders. They were fine as long as
the box was taped tightly shut but if the tape loosened, as could happen in
shipment, forget it.

Doug

Edward Bridges posted a car that was in an unusual box, and had foam
at the ends (see photo section of group). I believe that his box is
missing the plastic holders. I have found this type of box in Atlas
sets. The plastic holders have a number on them (1, 2, 3, or 4).
#1 for reefers, 2 for gondolas, 3 for flat cars, and 4 for cabeese.
I have posted photos in the photo section of examples for 1, 2, and
3. You can see the number through the lid. I have also posted a
photo of the holders out of the box.

The plastic holders were terrible. They tend to slip-out of place.
Replacing the plastic holders with foam would to protect the car.
Otherwise, the plastic holders would slip, and the car would move
around in the box when transported.

Ross.

At 08:00 PM 9/23/2003 -0400, you wrote:

Doug asked:

However, Ross Fink and I discussed, today, whether Atlas may

have supplied an extra set of trucks with metal wheels in the later kits. We
have both bought a kit each that have these included. While it could be
possible that the original owners stuck the trucks into the box with the intention
of substituting them for the original trucks with plastic wheels, Ross
suggested, and I agreed, that it really wouldn't make sense. Why would somebody, who
obviously wanted the car to be built for running, go through the trouble of
putting the metal wheel trucks into the box and then not building the kit?

I can think of a reason for hobbyists putting an extra set of trucks in the boxes... those kit trucks were, let us say, suboptimal. I couldn't believe how badly one car rolled after assembling it.

Not building the kit right away? Maybe it went into the "round tuit" file...

--Your list-owner

Oops, I erred in the location of the Atlas logo on the cardboard box. It is
at the top LEFT corner on the top of the box, not RIGHT corner as I said.

Doug

Hi everybody,

This time I will write about what, exactly, should be included in an Atlas
car kit for those who are interested in collecting them and want to be sure a
kit is complete.

I will list the contents of a complete kit:

Cardboard box with the Atlas "N Gauge" logo in the top right corner and a
depiction of various Atlas cars in lines diagonally on track.

The car body

Instruction sheet (same for 40' and 50' boxcars and 40' stock cars, unique
for ore cars). The sheet for the box and stock cars is white (or nearly so after
all these years) with black printing. The sheet for the ore cars is pink with
black printing.

Either a paper-backed cellophane package (early) or plastic bag (later) with
the car weight, four coupler springs (Atlas supplied extra parts in the kits),
and two coupler retaining clips.

Box and stock cars only - A black plastic sprue containing the underframe,
roofwalk, and two (extras again) brakewheels.

Ore cars - A black plastic sprue containing the weight cover and two
brakewheels.

Two black plastic sprues each containing a truck frame, two truck pins, and
two couplers.

Two black plastic sprues each containing two wheel/axle sets.

That's about it. However, Ross Fink and I discussed, today, whether Atlas may
have supplied an extra set of trucks with metal wheels in the later kits. We
have both bought a kit each that have these included. While it could be
possible that the original owners stuck the trucks into the box with the intention
of substituting them for the original trucks with plastic wheels, Ross
suggested, and I agreed, that it really wouldn't make sense. Why would somebody, who
obviously wanted the car to be built for running, go through the trouble of
putting the metal wheel trucks into the box and then not building the kit?

I am going to look through some magazines from the time period to see if
there was ever a reference made to this inclusion either by Atlas or the
publishers.

Regards,
Doug