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Re: BATTY

 

Hi Maureen,

Bentham is just south of Burton, and is a neighbouring parish just south over the fells/moors,

I notice that the parents of John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham are described as of Bentham in the register. ?

It would be worth investigating whether Bentham counts as Lonsdale. ?I know it is on the River Wenning which joins the Lune near Hornby, but isn’t usually referred to as Lonsdale

It’s aways difficult when the same names pop up in the same location & and the two parishes do share quite a long boundary.

Best regards
Debbie


On 3 Nov 2023, at 05:27, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Hi Debbie,

Thanks,

I have also found?John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire to
William and Elizabeth. I think Bentham is near Burton ?

Thats the trouble there are so many with same name. I once had two people living in the same
street in London with same name and same trade !!!

Maureen

On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:40?am, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Hi Debbie,

Thanks,

I have also found?John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire to
William and Elizabeth. I think Bentham is near Burton ?

Thats the trouble there are so many with same name. I once had two people living in the same
street in London with same name and same trade !!!

Maureen

On 3 Nov 2023, at 11:40?am, Debbie Reddy via groups.io <dsr1845@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
Re: BATTY

 

Hi Maureen,

This could be your family.

Esther JOHNSON; Born 25 Jan 1822; Cheshire; Bapt 28 Apr 1822 in Warrington Cheshire, England; Father Peter; Mother Hannah


John BATTY; Born 10 Oct 1812; Bapt 22 Nov 1812 in Bentham, Yorkshire, England; Father William; Elizabeth


John BATTY and Esther JOHNSON Married 17 Mar 1838; Bistre, Flinstone, Wales
John BATTY, Warehouse Man; son of William BATTY, Mechanic
Esther JOHNSON daughter of Peter JOHNSON; Mechanic


Children of John BATTY and Esther JOHNSON from GRO BMD Index-

BATTY Robert 1839 Liverpool, Cheshire -
BATTY Joseph Johnson 1841 West Derby -
BATTY Elizabeth Hannah 1844 West Derby
BATTY Sarah Ann 1846 Saint George Hanover Square
BATTY Emma Louisa 1848 Poplar Union
BATTY Esther 1851 Poplar Union
BATTY John William 1853 Poplar Union
BATTY William Peter 1855 Poplar Union
BATTY Alice Amy 1858 Poplar Union

1841 Census Phythian Street, Walton on the Hill, West Derby, Lancashire, England; Piece No: 520 Folio: 7 Page: 6

John Batty Male 25 1816 Warehouse Man Not Born in County
Esther BATTY Female 20 Not Born in County
Robert BATTY Male 1 Born in Lancashire, England

1851 Census Orchard Street, Bromley Middlesex, Poplar, London & Middlesex, England; Piece No: 1555 Folio 383 Page: 12

John BATLEY Male 37 1814 Machine Sawyer Born in Burton in Londsdale
Esther BATLEY Female 29 1822 Born in Hatton, Cheshire
Robert BATLEY Male 11 1840 Scholar Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Joseph Johnson BATLEY Male 9 1842 Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Elizabeth [H?] BATLEY Female 1845 Born in Liverpool, Lancashire
Sarah A BATLEY Female 1846 5 Born in Pimlico, Middlesex
Emma L BATLEY Female 1849 2 Born in Poplar, Middlesex
Esther BATLEY Female 1851 3 Mo Born in Poplar, Middlesex

I hope this helps,
Jen
Sydney AU

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On: 1/11/2023 Maureen Farrer wrote:
Subject: [yorksgen] BATTY

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee JOHNSON b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.
Re: BATTY

 

Hi Maureen

I found John in the following censuses with the following places of birth

1861 Burton in Lonsdale
1871 Lonsdale
1881 Burton

The entry that Jane found
"John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813"
gives an abode of Burton, which will be Burton in Lonsdale in the parish of?Thornton in Lonsdale

I think this is probably the John you’re looking for.

Best regards
Debbie

On 2 Nov 2023, at 20:53, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:

Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
Re: BATTY

 

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Thanks Jane,

I have found a John Batty b.10 Oct. 1812 to William Batty and Elizabeth in Bentham.
So like I find when you are doing genealogy so many people with the same name.

Thanks,
Maureen

On 2 Nov 2023, at 10:51?pm, JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...> wrote:

Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.
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Hi Maureen

There's a Burton in Lonsdale and a Thornton in Lonsdale about two and a half miles apart.

I couldn't see John in the census but found this:?

John Batty, son of William and Sarah baptised November 7 at Thornton in Lonsdale 1813

Nothing for searching John Batty to the exact place of Burton in Lonsdale.?

Nothing for Esther in Hatton nor a marriage to John Batty - do you have any more information on them which might help?

best wishes

Jane?
Chasing W(h)eldrick/drake - any variation, anywhere, anytime


				
					
					

					


On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 05:07, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
Hi Listers,



I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.

I would like her birth details as well.



Thanks,

Maureen in Oz.











					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi,

Sorry my first post was wrong, so re-posting the right one,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee JOHNSON b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Listers,

I am looking for the birth of John BATTY b. 1814.In the 1861 census it says he was born in Lonsdale in Yorkshire. His wife Esther nee ELLIOTT b 1821 in Hatton Cheshire.
I would like her birth details as well.

Thanks,
Maureen in Oz.

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Yes Vicky I noticed that as well and always there are loads in USA.

Maureen


				
					
					

					


On 21 Oct 2023, at 2:53 am, Vicki Campbell <vlscampbell@...> wrote:

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Hi Maureen,







I also noticed that Gorley is often spelled or transcribed? incorrectly. I usually try all different spellings to see what I get.







Good luck!







Vicki







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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 11:15:08 PM

To: [email protected] <[email protected]>

Subject: [yorksgen] GORLEY

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Hi Vicky,



Thanks for your email regarding the GORLEY family. I have the first three? children in the 1851 census with their


mother Maria saying she was married? but her husband Joseph GORLEY was back in New Jersey 1850 census

and says married.



I looked in the Canada to US crossings but found nothing. It is a mystery that they aren’t in outgoing

passenger lists from UK.



I will keep looking,



thanks again

Maureen in Oz



























					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Maureen,







I also noticed that Gorley is often spelled or transcribed? incorrectly. I usually try all different spellings to see what I get.







Good luck!







Vicki







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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...>

Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 11:15:08 PM

To: [email protected] <[email protected]>

Subject: [yorksgen] GORLEY

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Hi Vicky,



Thanks for your email regarding the GORLEY family. I have the first three? children in the 1851 census with their


mother Maria saying she was married? but her husband Joseph GORLEY was back in New Jersey 1850 census

and says married.



I looked in the Canada to US crossings but found nothing. It is a mystery that they aren’t in outgoing

passenger lists from UK.



I will keep looking,



thanks again

Maureen in Oz






















					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Hi Vicky,

Thanks for your email regarding the GORLEY family. I have the first three  children in the 1851 census with their 
mother Maria saying she was married  but her husband Joseph GORLEY was back in New Jersey 1850 census
and says married.

I looked in the Canada to US crossings but found nothing. It is a mystery that they aren’t in outgoing
passenger lists from UK.

I will keep looking,

thanks again
Maureen in Oz

				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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To all those wonderful members who replied to my query , a big thank you , Kindest regards to all , Derek Whitwam


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    It's because you are still alive.

      Lancelot

      

    

    
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  This normal for those still living (officially closed) and deceased (opened). If other members of your family are still living then email find my past and let them know as this is a beach of the data protection laws
  

  

   

    

    
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It’s because you are still alive!?


				
					
					

					


On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 10:06, Derek Whitwam <atired.92@...> wrote:
Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist 

all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. 

Derek Whitwam





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Hi Derek,
It could be because you are still alive ?

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Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. Derek Whitwam

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Because they died after 1990


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On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, 10:06 Derek Whitwam, <atired.92@...> wrote:
Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist 

all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. 

Derek Whitwam





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Your name is officially closed because you are still living. 
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On 19 Oct 2023, at 10:06, Derek Whitwam <atired.92@...> wrote:

?Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. Derek Whitwam


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Hi Derek

It's because you are still alive. I presume its part of the 100 year closure rule that applies to censuses...the assumption being that few people named in them will still be alive when they are released.?

Others may know more about whether the 1939 register is still being updated and if so by whom and whether you can ask for your name to be made public.?

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On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, 10:06 Derek Whitwam, <atired.92@...> wrote:
Hi . Can anyone tell me why only my name is " officially closed " whist 

all other members of the family are listed , and can this be reversed ?. 

Derek Whitwam





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