It appears she was with her mother Emma Jane and her husband Benjamin CARLING (married 1894) on 1901 census
Can't find her registered as CARLING or YOUNG.
Lin
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Not always!!? Many years ago a young lady from Somerset ended up in Kent working at a school. She had twins, a boy and a girl, the father was the head master.? She kept the girl and had her registered in the district where she was living.? The father took the boy and registered him in another district and in the following quarter.? He then had the boy adopted.? All would have been well until by chance, when the children grew up, they happened to be with friends in a pub.? The girl had always been told she had a twin.? A discussion started and the twins suddenly realised they must be related.? DNA eventually proved they were right.? It took some time to work out what their father had done. He firmly believed by registering the boy in a different registration district with different quarters, they would never find each other.
The number of times I've found girls giving false names when registering births. A young girl gave birth in Long Ashton (just outside Bristol) in the Work House. Her mother had an upmarket guest house in Clifton, Bristol.? She didn't want it known that her daughter was having an illegimate child so they decided to "invent" a surname. They chose the name of a village in Scotland where both mother and daughter came from - Fintr(a)y.? Mother wanted to adopt her granddaughter but she didn't have a husband. No problem, she went to another workhouse and took an old man called SHEARN and married him, he was 75 and she was over 50. They adopted her baby granddaughter. As it was 1895 there was no legitimate adoption. Sadly, the old gentleman died a couple of years later and the gran died when the child was 7.? She had been left enough money but the child's real mother took the money and put the child back in a workhouse.? I met the little child's daughter who had been told that if anyone could find the truth, it was me!!? She was a lovely lady living in an Alms house in Paul, Cornwall.? It was a real pleasure to help her and then to find that she was a 1x3 cousin of my ganddaughter was an added bonus. She sadly died in 2012.
Liz
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On 12/09/2023 15:27, Nivard Ovington wrote:
Twins have the time on their birth certs, but not visible without the cert itself
Twins would usually have the same reference in the GRO index ie on the same page but not always
There was no official adoption until 1927 so the chances are that a dna test is the most likely way forward
Have you found her in the census? so have a birthplace?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 12/09/2023 13:37, Granddadscott wrote:
Hi all
I have information suggesting my Grandmother was a twin.
Although she was adopted I have been unable to pin down her birth details.
Her adopted name was Hill and birth date 20 Feb 1897 in Houghton le Springs Durham we believe.
Her birth surname is unknown if different
I cannot find her birth and now exploring the twin question.
Is there a way to find twins in the birth records ?
Any help gratefully received.
Brian
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In many cases the adopted child was the child of a relative, first names could be changed but often weren't
Are you sure Rose Ann isn't the daughter of Emma before marriage?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 12/09/2023 15:52, Granddadscott wrote: Thanks for help.
The 1911 census
With adopted name
Rose Ann Hill
In Houghton-le-Spring
States
Born Durhum, Houghton-le-Spring
1897 aged 14
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Thanks for help. The 1911 census? With adopted name? Rose Ann Hill In Houghton-le-Spring? States Born Durhum, Houghton-le-Spring? 1897 aged 14
Twins have the time on their birth certs, but not visible without the
cert itself
Twins would usually have the same reference in the GRO index ie on the
same page but not always
There was no official adoption until 1927 so the chances are that a dna
test is the most likely way forward
Have you found her in the census? so have a birthplace?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 12/09/2023 13:37, Granddadscott wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I have information suggesting my Grandmother was a twin.
> Although she was adopted I have been unable to pin down her birth details.
> Her adopted name was Hill and birth date 20 Feb 1897 in Houghton le
> Springs Durham we believe.
> Her birth surname is unknown if different
> I cannot find her birth and now exploring the twin question.
> Is there a way to find twins in the birth records ?
>
> Any help gratefully received.
>
> Brian
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Her name was Rose Ann Hill? Her married name was Sandham Her adoption date I don't know but was in the 1911 census as Rose Ann Hill aged 14.? Married 1918 Calais, Dordogne France.
On Tue, 12 Sept 2023, 15:32 Lin Duke, < dml5481@...> wrote: What was her first name and married surname?
When was she adopted?
Lin
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What was her first name and married surname?
When was she adopted?
Lin
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Twins have the time on their birth certs, but not visible without the cert itself
Twins would usually have the same reference in the GRO index ie on the same page but not always
There was no official adoption until 1927 so the chances are that a dna test is the most likely way forward
Have you found her in the census? so have a birthplace?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 12/09/2023 13:37, Granddadscott wrote: Hi all
I have information suggesting my Grandmother was a twin.
Although she was adopted I have been unable to pin down her birth details.
Her adopted name was Hill and birth date 20 Feb 1897 in Houghton le Springs Durham we believe.
Her birth surname is unknown if different
I cannot find her birth and now exploring the twin question.
Is there a way to find twins in the birth records ?
Any help gratefully received.
Brian
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Hi all
I have information suggesting my Grandmother was a twin.
Although she was adopted I have been unable to pin down her birth
details.
Her adopted name was Hill and birth date 20 Feb 1897 in Houghton
le Springs Durham we believe.
Her birth surname is unknown if different
I cannot find her birth and now exploring the twin question.
Is there a way to find twins in the birth records ?
Any help gratefully received.
Brian
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East Riding Archives, Treasure House, Beverley
The Treasure House, Beverley will close to the public on 23
September at 4pm for about a year for a major transformation.
East Riding Archives?will be available online for a variety of
enquiries and requests for document copies. . The service can be
contacted via?archives.service@....
More information
Lin
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hi Keith
Glad you had a fruitful visit to Hull.
Thank you so much for the photos of the headstone. Really appreciate you making the time to take them for me.
Lin
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hello Lin, Back home from trip up to Hull, a very fruitful visit. There is a gravestone with Charles, Kate & daughter Ethel mentioned. Regards Keith  
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Yorkshire Surnames List - August update
I updated the Yorkshire Surnames list today. The names added are given below:
BECKWITH
HESELTINE
MCHUGH
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If you would like to add your surnames to the list, please use the form at:
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**PLEASE READ THE INSTRUCTIONS CAREFULLY REGARDING SUBMISSION OF NAMES BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON
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Lin Duke
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Re: Nathan CANSICK - Richmond Goal, 1801
Hi Rosemary,
There are 4 hits for a Nathan Cansick on the North Yorkshire
County Record Office catalogue:
Regards, Sue
On 24/08/2023 23:55, John Hanson wrote:
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Rosemary
Don't forget that the Quarter Sessions on Ancestry are simply for the West Riding according to the blurb below the search screen
The Sheffield Quarter Sessions 1880-1912 are on FindmyPast
Regards
John Hanson FSG
Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust -
Research website -
And my own study of FOSKER
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Rosemary
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 4:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yorksgen] Nathan CANSICK - Richmond Goal, 1801
Evening all,
I have found 3 references in the London Gazette to Nathan CANSICK in goal in Richmond in 1801.
The London Gazette, 14 July 1801 (Issue 15386, page 865) "Prisoners in the Gaol of the Chief Bailiff of the Liberty and Franchise of RICHMOND and RICHMONDSHIRE, in the North Riding of the County of York First Notice Nathan CANSICK, formerly of Dalton-on-Tees, and late of Barningham, in the North Riding of Yorkshire, Wood-Cutter"
The second notice was in the paper in the 18 July; and the third on the 21st. All 3 notices had identical wording except for the words - first, second and third.
Questions:
What had be (allegedly) been up to?
What do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd notice mean?
I have looked at the newspapers on FMP but can't find anything other than a repeat of these notices in other papers.
I've also looked at the Quarter Session Records for Yorkshire on Ancestry.
Any ideas?
Thank you,
Rosemary
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Re: Nathan CANSICK - Richmond Goal, 1801
Rosemary
Don't forget that the Quarter Sessions on Ancestry are simply for the West Riding according to the blurb below the search screen
The Sheffield Quarter Sessions 1880-1912 are on FindmyPast
Regards
John Hanson FSG
Researching the Halstead/Holstead/Alstead names
Researcher, the Halsted Trust -
Research website -
And my own study of FOSKER
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Rosemary Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 4:12 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [yorksgen] Nathan CANSICK - Richmond Goal, 1801 Evening all, I have found 3 references in the London Gazette to Nathan CANSICK in goal in Richmond in 1801. The London Gazette, 14 July 1801 (Issue 15386, page 865) "Prisoners in the Gaol of the Chief Bailiff of the Liberty and Franchise of RICHMOND and RICHMONDSHIRE, in the North Riding of the County of York First Notice Nathan CANSICK, formerly of Dalton-on-Tees, and late of Barningham, in the North Riding of Yorkshire, Wood-Cutter" The second notice was in the paper in the 18 July; and the third on the 21st. All 3 notices had identical wording except for the words - first, second and third. Questions: What had be (allegedly) been up to? What do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd notice mean? I have looked at the newspapers on FMP but can't find anything other than a repeat of these notices in other papers. I've also looked at the Quarter Session Records for Yorkshire on Ancestry. Any ideas? Thank you, Rosemary
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Nathan CANSICK - Richmond Goal, 1801
Evening all,
I have found 3 references in the London Gazette to Nathan CANSICK in goal in Richmond in 1801.
The London Gazette, 14 July 1801 (Issue 15386, page 865)
"Prisoners in the Gaol of the Chief Bailiff of the Liberty and Franchise of RICHMOND and RICHMONDSHIRE, in the North Riding of the County of York
First Notice
Nathan CANSICK, formerly of Dalton-on-Tees, and late of Barningham, in the North Riding of Yorkshire, Wood-Cutter"
The second notice was in the paper in the 18 July; and the third on the 21st. All 3 notices had identical wording except for the words - first, second and third.
Questions:
What had be (allegedly) been up to?
What do the 1st, 2nd and 3rd notice mean?
I have looked at the newspapers on FMP but can't find anything other than a repeat of these notices in other papers.
I've also looked at the Quarter Session Records for Yorkshire on Ancestry.
Any ideas?
Thank you,
Rosemary
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Wrote to them at 15.09 today got a reply at 15.12!
There are another 3 people in there - no idea who they are though
(yet!).
Lin
On 21/08/2023 23:42, Keith Dorey via
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Hello Lin,
That was my thought, they are usually very helpful.
You will need the crematorium, which is next door, as that is
where the offices and records are
I will be in Hull next week and was going to get a grave photo
from 461 so I can wander over to see if there is a headstone.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hi Keith
That is very kind of you.
Lin
On 21/08/2023 23:42, Keith Dorey via
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Hello Lin,
That was my thought, they are usually very helpful.
You will need the crematorium, which is next door, as that is
where the offices and records are
I will be in Hull next week and was going to get a grave photo
from 461 so I can wander over to see if there is a headstone.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hello Lin,
That was my thought, they are usually very helpful.
You will need the crematorium, which is next door, as that is where the offices and records are
I will be in Hull next week and was going to get a grave photo from 461 so I can wander over to see if there is a headstone.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hi Keith
I have no idea about a headstone I'm afraid.
Yes pages 368 are both blank which is odd.
I think the best action will be for me to ask Northern Cemetery direct.
Lin
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Re: Hull Burial Registers
Hello Lin,
I found a page for 368 but there are no entries on it. The same blank page is a couple of images later.
Is there a headstone?
Regards
Keith
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Nivard Ovington
Sue Taylor