Hi Rosemary & Arthur,
I have checked for Bishops Transcripts in Ancestry, Family Search
and Find My Past and can not find this baptism/christening.?
I do wonder why the BT's have disappeared from these platforms.
Cheers
Wendy
On 5/11/2023 4:13 am, Arthur K wrote:
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the official teaching and liturgy of the Church of England,
'baptism' and 'christening' are exactly the same thing. However,
some people made a distinction, and this is occasionally seen in
parish registers where clergy apparently adopted the popular
terminology.
According to this way of thinking, baptism was the part of the
ceremony involving water, and christening was the part where the
child was received into the church. The church intended these to
be part and parcel of the same occasion, although it also provided
for private baptism where children were thought to be in danger of
death, and if they survived, they were expected to be brought to
church later.
In spite of this official line, private baptism often came to be
seen as the norm, with the so-called 'christening' happening
later, if at all. If it did happen, that's when you might see
separate dates for 'baptism' and 'christening' in a register.
In this case in Kirkby Ravensworth, it seems likely that John
Sheffin/Shippen was baptised privately. Some clergy would have
noted 'Private' against the entry, but it seems that Robert Scott
might have been following popular usage here, and trying to say
that whereas the baptism had taken place, the so-called
'christening' hadn't. This was only the third baptism he had taken
in the parish, so it may be that he hadn't yet learned the correct
way to record it.
I had hoped to find the Bishops Transcripts to see how it was
recorded there. Kirkby Ravensworth was in the Archdeaconry of
Richmond, and the BTs for there are at West Yorkshire Archives in
Leeds. As such, they used to be at Ancestry, but I couldn't find
them just now. Can anyone else?
Arthur
On 04/11/2023 16:31, Rosemary wrote:
I've been looking at the baptism register for Kirkby Ravensworth
around 1788.
One entry intrigued me as the printed word 'Christened' had been
crossed through and replaced with 'Bapt'.
06 Aug 1788 John son of John and Jane SHEFFIN [probably
SHIPPEN].
"John Son of John SHEFFIN & Jane his wife of Newsham was
Born Augt 4th 1788 and Bapt. Augt 6th 1788
Registered Augt 6th 1788 by me Robt. Scott Minister"
I have looked at some of the pages on either side of this, and
this would seem to be the only entry where it has happened. The
incumbent changed earlier that year, but this hasn't made any
difference.
They had a daughter, Jane, who was 'christened' on the 07 Sep
1791.
Could it mean that the family were non-conformist? Possibly
Catholic?
Rosemary