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Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
kbkchooch
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.?  Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?) Any ideas? Thanks in advance Karl B. |
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Re: Chinese AIR-BUS plans over congested roads
I would think driving under it could be disorienting for many drivers, much like that old trick of two vehicles on either side of you backing up at a red light, making you feel like you're rolling into the intersection.
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Nelson --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:
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Ron F's. trains
Just a note of explanation. The town of Kersey, PA celebrated their 200th birthday at the end of June and a Hugh celebration was had including the arts and items displays of people, old time equipment used in the 1800's , clothing, etc. and I decided to build as much of the town as I could have room for. All the buildings and the general layout was taken from photos and a couple books. Kept me busy all last winter and this spring.
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Re: Chinese AIR-BUS plans over congested roads
lnnrr
Wow! Almost as good an idea as the electric elevated trains of
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a century ago. Both need dedicated infrastructure, stations, and dedicated equipment. Except the El doesn't need to interact with surface traffic. Chuck --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Walter Bayer II <bayerw2@...> wrote:
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Wood Vs Coal
lnnrr
There was a fairly basic difference between fireboxes made for wood
burning and ones designed for coal. When you look at Civil War era locomotives, one sees that it was common for fireboxes to be no wider than the frame of the engine. This gave a long narrow firebox that generally was quite deep to allow layers of wood. Example: the American Standard 4-4-0. Fireboxes designed for coal used a wider shallower firebox that needed to hang behind the drivers or spread above them. This led to the trailing truck. There were exceptions, of course. Not to mention design failures as builders experimented with improvements. As the railroads evolved, many locomotives were given quicky conversions from wood to coal but these were generally locomotives put into secondary service because of poor efficiency compared to engines built for coal. One historic example was when the L&N converted a number of locos along the Gulf Coast where there were few grades. Then a hurricane blew through Mobile and Baldwin County Alabama. Farmers there lost most of their crops which often were shipped by L&N. The RR reconverted several engines back to wood in order to burn fallen timber and give the farmers a bit of cash until the next year. Chuck Peck |
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Re: detail questions
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI can identify with that.? Did you ever try keeping a fire with wood in a stove designed for coal burning?? It takes much wood and lots of attention.? Even a fireplace can burn warmer and longer if you install a good grate and use coal after the fire gets hot.? These were my jobs at home while growing up over my young years.? Sometimes we could not get small lump coal, only large ones.? They had to be broken up with a Sledge Hammer to fit into the fire.? Thanks for the memories!Don Staton in VA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On 7/15/2013 12:55 PM, Skip Luke wrote:
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Re: detail questions
Have you motorized this or is it still the static model,I got one of these kits a few weeks back that I plan to motorize using article from RMC as the basis for making operating model.
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Re: detail questions
Skip Luke
I can't even imagine how fast that stuff must burn! Sumpter's No. 3 Heisler burns 5-foot lengths of split wood. I was just reading in a circa-1940 issue of Railroad Magazine about a shortline in Georgia that had quit coal and went back to wood as it was cheaper there. Put big funnel stacks back on its lokies.
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Re: Latest from the RIGHT Coast ?
Henry
Probably not much ? You have Monsoons to to the west and East ! Henry
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýIt is an idea that could work.? There are water proof bladders sold for storing emergency water rations in bath tubs so why not bladders for highside gondolas...? Fill them with water, even from rain storms, cover them with a tied down tarp to minimize evaporation and sloshing away the load in jerky movements and deliver whole trains to drought areas to use for crop watering...? Or even for purifying for human consumption...? The cities in my area pipe water from over a hundred miles away to meet the needs of their citizens...? It could work with a little ingenuity and a lot of effort.? Lots of areas here in the east are being inundated by floods and we cannot use the water...? It is all just creating much damage and running off into rivers and down to the ocean.Don Staton in Va. ========================================================================= On 7/14/2013 2:22 PM, Denis Long wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýGreat idea, Henry.? I wonder how much water we¡¯d get back with. Denis |
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Re: detail questions
Henry
Can't argue with that Skip ! The ashcat was a busy boy on wood burners . Only other unusual use of fuel ? In the Phillipines the sugar locos burned field stubble ? Must've used Boo-Coo amounts of it ! Henry
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Re: detail questions
Skip Luke
Kent, This engine would most likely burn coal. DIamond stacks were regularly used on coal-burners (see early D&RG, UP, etc., pics) The companies were cheap and often relied on questionable fuel, which did throw a lot of hot cinders.
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Having had some years of firing and running a woodburner (On the Sumpter Valley in Oregon) I can tell you that this fuel bunker would be way too small to go very far. Wood goes fast in an engine. Generally, woodburners would have a larger stack .... such as a "cabbage stack" .... I can pint you at some pics if you want. Put a coal load in that fuel bunker. Nice looking engine. Skip Luke retired railroader. --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "nvrr49@..." <nvrr49@...> wrote:
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I don't think there is enough room for sufficient wood.
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Even with a cinder catching smokestack, I'd use either coal or oil. They are longer lasting for the volume of fuel that lokie can carry. Best to ya... Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi, USA On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:20 PM, Jim Reynolds <gomertrains@...> wrote:
I am not a steam guy, so I lurk here to learn and ask questions. I started this project a long time ago, and thought I had asked this quesetion before, but could not find the answer in my search. Given the stack on the attached, what type of fuel would this engine use...wood as I recall? If so, then should I stack some wood on the back for fuel. All direction appreciated. Thank you, |
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One of my favorite vintage projects. I'll add a bit to the comments. The combined smokestacks would be better if the tapered stack was cut about half and the funnel top put on that. You'll have a stack that looks more typical and also looks like it will allow the engine to get through bridges and into the engine house. The combination of those two stacks are typical for a logging line or other lines that operate in the forests. It's what many of the more rural lines used to reduce the possibilities of forest or even prairie grass fires. Some of the country has longish dry periods and over the years the residents have tried various ways to prevent fires that sometimes start with stray embers from a passing locomotive. We still see this sort of fire today from discarded finished but still lit cigarettes carelessly tossed away. The stack and that modern enough of a locomotive will allow you to use either coal or oil fuel. Wood would need more volume of fuel than either coal or oil does. With wood, you would have more of a short range industrial locomotive with the smallish fuel bunker at the rear of the locomotive. Putting any of your choice of a headlight on the pilot walkway would be a strong wish for the operators of the lokie. That way the headlight will better follow the tracks as the engine moves through curves and there will be few surprises. A boiler mounted headlight will be beaming off to the side of any curves leaving the track ahead in darkness until the locomotive is back on the straight section. if you do that, you can cover the hole remaining from removing the boiler mounted head light with a cast detail factory number board [the round type would be nice] or a round-head classic thunb-tack. I have long liked that MDC kit #1550 steamer project. Best to ya... Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi, USA On Jul 13, 2013, at 6:37 PM, "lnnrr" <lnnrr@...> wrote:
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Re: detail questions
lnnrr
What I seem to see is a wood-burning stack piggy-backed on top of
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a coal type stack. Either the tapered boottop stack or the diamond stack, just not both. Further, for an articulated loco I would urge moving the headlight down onto the walkway over the front cylinders if you keep the coal stack. If you elect the wood=burning diamond stack, I would eliminate the turbo-generator in front of the stack and replace the headlight with a square kerosene headlight. Just my personal opinions, based on a few decades of steam experience. Your model, make yourself happy. Chuck Peck --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "nvrr49@..." <nvrr49@...> wrote:
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