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Wow, what a wealth of goodies, Chuck. I have better ones, but their 65 miles away. Actually, it¡¯s a bad time to own a train hobby store. Denis
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1914 Model T Ford Station Wagon.
May 31, 1927, the last
Ford Model T rolled off the assembly line. It was the first affordable
automobile, due in part to the assembly line process developed by Henry Ford.
It had 2.9-liter, 20-horsepower engine and could travel at speeds up to 45
miles per hour. It had a 10-gallon fuel tank and could run on? kerosene, petrol, or ethanol, but it couldn't drive uphill if the
tank was low, because there was no fuel pump; people got around this design
flaw by driving up hills in reverse. Ford believed that "the man who will
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succeed." The Model T cost $850 in 1909, and as efficiency in production
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will be low in price that no man making a good salary will be unable to own one
- and enjoy with his family the blessing of hours of pleasure in God's great
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
WOW!!! You have a hobby shop that stocks NWSL gearboxes? WOW! Mine has three or four HO train sets and a few pieces of code 100 snap track. And a couple of Lionel starter sets. I envy you. Chuck Peck --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
I'll take the axle shaft to a local shop next week that has a good stock of NWSL gearboxes in stock,,,,,see where it goes from there!
Karl B
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Really a very neat little engine, good
job!
One of the visuals for spotting a coal burner is the space given
the smokebox, just in front of the stack. Coal burners were given
an "extension" here either as an addition or part of the initial
design for coal that accommodated a damper and netting
arrangement, not usually present in wood burners. On those ash
control was in the larger, or "balloon" stack of the day. Control
of draft and firebox/ grate features are different for different
kinds of fuel. Your engine has that space, and would be to my eye
a coal burner. It WAS common in the transistion era (yes, there
have been several!) from wood to coal ...about 1875 more or less,
to apply a "diamond stack" to catch cinders and fly ash depending
on how the firebox was designed and the grade of coal, to engines
that had formerly been wood burners. If the engine lasted into the
turn of the century, by then the front end would have been of
modern design and the smokestack converted to straight. There
would have probably been also other modern improvement to the
engine the later it served. Electric lights came into regular
service on the NC&StL and other Southern RRs about 1920-25 for
instance.
All that said, its your engine, you choose!
Tom Knowles
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I am not a steam guy, so I lurk here to learn
and ask questions.? I started this project a long time
ago, and thought I had asked this quesetion before,
but could not find the answer in my search.? Given the
stack on the attached, what type of fuel would this
engine use...wood as I recall?? If so, then should I
stack some wood on the back for fuel.? All direction
appreciated.? Thank you,
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Kent Hurley
Kansas City, MO
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Found a spare set of drivers for a Chatt in my junk box today. I see clearly now the little copper thingamajigy that conducts the current from the wheel tread to the axles. Flanges are also a bit large, but appear to be sturdy enough to be cut down to a more believable size.
Also found a good can motor from a Bachmann 2-8-0 laying around. I'll take the axle shaft to a local shop next week that has a good stock of NWSL gearboxes in stock,,,,,see where it goes from there!
Karl B
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Nelson" <greenbrier614@...> wrote:
There are plenty of locos manufactured with plastic driver centers. I know of several people who have replaced the smoke cam with an axle gear and powered the loco with no issues.
The pickup on the drivers is achieved by little phosphor bronze jumpers between the axle and rim on one side. The tender picked up the opposite rail (barely) with only two wheels.
Nelson
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@> wrote:
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.
Jeff
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
There are plenty of locos manufactured with plastic driver centers. I know of several people who have replaced the smoke cam with an axle gear and powered the loco with no issues.
The pickup on the drivers is achieved by little phosphor bronze jumpers between the axle and rim on one side. The tender picked up the opposite rail (barely) with only two wheels.
Nelson
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...> wrote:
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.
Jeff
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Thanks Richard, now to watch fleabay!
KarlB
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Richard" <rh@...> wrote:
Hi Karl,
I re-powered one of these a few years ago and it remains one of my best runners. Way back in the 70's, when these things were being made, I bought one. It was my first ever HO loco. Back then I knew practically nothing about model railroading, just knew I wanted to try out the hobby. So, down in the basement I went with a 4 X 8, laid down some track and a few buildings and my daughter and I had some fun. Well, the Tyco 2-8-0 soon gave out, as most of them did. There it sat on my display shelf for many years as a sentimental reminder of my first engine purchase plus I just liked the looks of it ( I had the Royal Blue version of the Chatt. Choo Choo).
Fast forward many years later, I was doing something with an IHC 2-8-0 and happened to notice that the boilers on the IHC and Tyco were one and the same. This got me to thinking that I could most likely fit the IHC drive under the Tyco, thereby, bring the old Royal Blue back to life again. It worked out perfectly! Yes, as with any project like this, there is always some fitting work to contend with but the end result was worth it to me. I also reworked the original tender with some new trucks. Even though it is basically just a toy, I still enjoy running it every now and then.
Richard in Vermont
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@> wrote:
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The
"Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular
tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when
tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know
how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines. [;)]
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to
power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no
gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis
that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advanceKarl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Some of us Tyco guys have used a CDROM motor successfully. Just need to grind the block to fit and make a new motor mount and enlarge the pinion gear shaft hole.
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On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 9:22 PM PDT Rob wrote: Why not repower the tender???? Use an Athearn SW7 or a Bachmann 44 or 70 tonner if you want a smaller tender. With the Athearn drive you get flywheels and all wheel pickup. An old issue of Railroad Modeler(I think) had an article about tender drive years ago. It seems it is used a lot in England.
BobD.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
Jeff
They don't look any frailer than my Rivarossi 0-6-0, and those wheels are plastic with a metal tire too!
Karl B
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@> wrote:
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.
Jeff
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To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34 pm
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From: Jeff Pellas <jppellas@>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
Alan
Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be?
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From: kbkchooch <kbkchooch@>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Hi Karl,
I re-powered one of these a few years ago and it remains one of my best runners. Way back in the 70's, when these things were being made, I bought one. It was my first ever HO loco. Back then I knew practically nothing about model railroading, just knew I wanted to try out the hobby. So, down in the basement I went with a 4 X 8, laid down some track and a few buildings and my daughter and I had some fun. Well, the Tyco 2-8-0 soon gave out, as most of them did. There it sat on my display shelf for many years as a sentimental reminder of my first engine purchase plus I just liked the looks of it ( I had the Royal Blue version of the Chatt. Choo Choo).
Fast forward many years later, I was doing something with an IHC 2-8-0 and happened to notice that the boilers on the IHC and Tyco were one and the same. This got me to thinking that I could most likely fit the IHC drive under the Tyco, thereby, bring the old Royal Blue back to life again. It worked out perfectly! Yes, as with any project like this, there is always some fitting work to contend with but the end result was worth it to me. I also reworked the original tender with some new trucks. Even though it is basically just a toy, I still enjoy running it every now and then.
Richard in Vermont
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The
"Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular
tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when
tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know
how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines. [;)]
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to
power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no
gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis
that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advanceKarl B.
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I've looked into doing this conversion myself which is why I was able to list the possible variations on how to do it. My interest is because the Tyco Chatt is actually a pretty good representation of a New York Central U-2 switcher. Here's a link to a photo of the loco: ???
? ? ?Arbour Models had some pretty large locos running on plastic centered drivers with mixed results. That being said, even with some additional weight, the 0-8-0 would not begin to approach the weight of an Arbour Kanawha or Allegheny. I do think such a project with the Tyco loco would be successful using NWSL parts. ?
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Jeff
They don't look any frailer than my Rivarossi 0-6-0, and those wheels are plastic with a metal tire too!
Karl B
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Why not repower the tender???? Use an Athearn SW7 or a Bachmann 44 or 70 tonner if you want a smaller tender. With the Athearn drive you get flywheels and all wheel pickup. An old issue of Railroad Modeler(I think) had an article about tender drive years ago. It seems it is used a lot in England.
BobD.
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
Jeff
They don't look any frailer than my Rivarossi 0-6-0, and those wheels are plastic with a metal tire too!
Karl B
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@> wrote:
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.
Jeff
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From: Alan Kilby <albyrno@>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
From: Jeff Pellas <jppellas@>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
Alan
Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be?
-----Original Message-----
From: kbkchooch <kbkchooch@>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Bachmann has drivers and frames with drivers quite reasonably priced,I've heard their 2-8-0 is a reliable loco they list complete 2-8-0 mechanism as sold out but they have parts individually,2-8-0 or other mechanism may work for you,driver sets are less than $20.
Alan
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "kbkchooch" <kbkchooch@...> wrote:
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The
"Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular
tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when
tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know
how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines. [;)]
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to
power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no
gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis
that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advanceKarl B.
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Jeff
They don't look any frailer than my Rivarossi 0-6-0, and those wheels are plastic with a metal tire too!
Karl B
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...> wrote:
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.
Jeff
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From: Alan Kilby <albyrno@...>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
From: Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
Alan
Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be?
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From: kbkchooch <kbkchooch@...>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? (Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Another possible graft might be a 2-8-0 from IHC. Anybody have one
handy to check driver size and wheelbase?
Chuck Peck
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., ebtnut@... wrote:
I'm wondering if the old-time 2-8-0 from Roundhouse/Horizon that came out a
few years ago might supply a suitable mechanism. The one I saw run on an
LHS test track ran very well out of the box.
DM
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
I'm wondering if the old-time 2-8-0 from Roundhouse/Horizon that came out a
few years ago might supply a suitable mechanism.? The one I saw run on an
LHS test track ran very well out of the box.
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I didn't realize this was a tender drive with a dummy loco in front of it. ? Alan
From: Jeff Pellas
To: yardbirdtrains@...
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It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.?
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From: Alan Kilby
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
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?I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
?Alan
? ? ?Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be??
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From: kbkchooch < kbkchooch@...>
To: yardbirdtrains < yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
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Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.? 
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
It's not the NWSL gears I'm referring to; its the plastic wheel centers that come with the Chatt 2-8-0 drivers that were originally designed to bear a small amount of weight and no torque. To make a functional loco out of the Chatt (which is a tender drive loco), there would be an increase in weight just by adding a motor and gearbox ...but if you actually wanted it to pull anything, you'd need to add even more weight. Just wondering if the drivers would hold up to all of that.?
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To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
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?I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
?Alan
? ? ?Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be??
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From: kbkchooch < kbkchooch@...>
To: yardbirdtrains < yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
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Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.?
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
I have used a Mantua axle and gear from a 0-6-0 and the open frame motor from a Mantua. Still have a long way to go. This is probably easier than using a gear box assembly and the such. I prefer a 0-8-0 frame as it easier to modify and much heavier. The weight will have to be shortened and the fire box floor will need a hole to fit over the motor. The Tyco drivers will fit the Mantua axle.
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From: Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...>
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 11:07 AM
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?I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment.
?Alan
? ? ?Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be??
-----Original Message-----
From: kbkchooch <kbkchooch@...>
To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...>
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.?
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
From: Jeff Pellas
To: yardbirdtrains@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013
11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
?
?I have never had a problem with NWSL gearboxes not being durable.I put a direct gearbox in a mantua mike,I have an idler gearbox to put in 1 that I'm currently building which should make it easier tp get a good driveline alignment. ?Alan
? ? ?Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be??
-----Original Message-----
From: kbkchooch
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.?
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Re: Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
Karl,
? ? ?It depends on whether or not you want to use the original drivers or not. They Chatt drivers are a scale 57", which is rare in HO scale. In fact I don't believe there is any other powered HO scale loco with those sized drivers that was mass produced. So if you want to put a working chassis under the shell with the same sized drivers you'd have to find a brass model. But I doubt you'd want to buy brass just to use it to repower the Tyco Chatt (but you can if you want to!)?
? ? ?Next option would be to use NWSL parts. The Chatt has 1/8 " axles so finding a NWSL gear tower to fit is no problem BUT the Chatt has plastic wheel centers. It picks up current from the track with wipers. So, although it is possible to fit a gear tower in the loco, how durable is it going to be? I know other folks who are in this forum have done this conversion so perhaps someone else can address the durability issue. If you are scared off by the possible lack of durability, you could call Greenway and order a set of brand new brass 57" drivers and have them throw in a gear tower while they're at it. This would definitely work but we're talking a hefty investment... but not as expensive as buying a whole brass loco and using it's chassis.
? ? ?The next option would be to forget about using the original drivers or anything of the exact same size and, instead, find something in HO scale to put underneath, regardless of the driver size. IHC makes a 2-8-0 right now that, I believe, utilizes the same boiler but with scale 62" drivers --which are the same as on their 2-8-2 locos. There are lots of 2-8-2 and 2-8-0 locos out there with scale 62" drivers that would probably work. There are also smaller diameter wheeled locos which are easy to find which would fit.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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-----Original Message-----
From: kbkchooch
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Wed, Jul 17, 2013 6:44 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Tyco 2-8-0 repowering?
?
Greetings gang!
I have 2 old Tyco 2-8-0's that have been turned into dummies. The "Chattanooga Choo-Choo" tender drives were swapped out for regular tenders, headlights wired, then repainted. Useless, but impressive when tacked onto the rear of a train at shows. Folks always wanted to know how I got the "helper" to run so well with the lead engines.?
Anyhow, the show days are over, so I was wondering what the best way to power them was? ?There is a space in the frame for a gearbox, but no gear on the axle. NWSL parts? Or is there an already powered chassis that will fit? ?(Mantua, Bowser, etc?)
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Karl B.
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Jeff Pellas