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Re: PRR N1s 2-10-2 and M1 4-8-2
The PRR painted red on the canvas roofs of wooden cabs, too.? There were definite specs concerning the painting of cab roofs.? If I remember, they used freight car paint; straight for original work and mixed with black for repaints.? And the practice goes back many years - not just post war.? This comes from the official painting instructions for locomotives, circa 1930, which is probably a re-iteration of earlier practice.
On steel cabs the red area was bordered by and did not go past the rain gutters.? On wood cabs the red was applied to the entire canvas area down to the top edge of the walls.
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? -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Pellas jppellas@... [yardbirdtrains] To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 4:35 pm Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] PRR N1s 2-10-2 and M1 4-8-2 I don't know the answer to the red roofs and decks but I have no doubt about Vic's reply. I've always thought that the red roof was a Post War look and I suspect Vic has his finger on the reason for that. The PRR was transitioning to diesels so, naturally, they would've put as little money into steam loco maintenance as they could get away with. Hence they stopped over painting the Red Lead in the last years resulting in that look. Just a guess! Jeff jppellas@... -----Original Message----- From: Henry Hultgren huligin62@... [yardbirdtrains] <yardbirdtrains@...> To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...> Sent: Wed, Sep 6, 2017 02:06 PM Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] PRR N1s 2-10-2 and M1 4-8-2
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Hey guys ! What is the definitive story of red [?] cab roofs and tender decks on PRR steam ??? Henry
-------------------------------------------- On Tue, 9/5/17, Doug Kisala dougkisala@... [yardbirdtrains] <yardbirdtrains@...> wrote: Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] PRR N1s 2-10-2 and M1 4-8-2 To: "yardbirdtrains@..." <yardbirdtrains@...>, "jppellas@..." <jppellas@...> Date: Tuesday, September 5, 2017, 8:33 AM ? Jeff, list, It may take another decade or so for me to detail the engines, but it is a good feeling to have them running. ? I first became aware of 6810's unique (at least at the end of PRR's steam era) when I read Carleton's "Pennsy Steam: ?A to T. ?I'm not sure what service precluded a larger tender or required the smaller 130P75, but 6810 intrigued me. While I am planning a larger layout, the 6810 fits decently on my smaller test layout compared to my Broadway Limited M1b. ? ? The N1s chassis was an older Bowser chassis with the cast frame and smaller cylinders. ?I was really lucky with timing, and I bought Bowser's newer cylinder block for the N1s just before they stopped production. ? If I hit the lottery, resurrecting Alliance and/or getting customized NWSL motor and gearbox combinations for popular die cast steam models would be one of my projects. ?I've had very good luck with the Alliance repower kits. ? Doug Kisala From: "Jeff Pellas jppellas@... [yardbirdtrains]" <yardbirdtrains@...> To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 5:41 AM Subject: Re: [yardbirdtrains] PRR N1s 2-10-2 and M1 4-8-2 ? Doug,? ? ?Nice work. I was unaware that any M1 made it to the end with a smaller tender. Those 13,000 gallon tenders were originally built for decapods but were reassigned to K4s. In the Post War years, as K4s were retired, some decapods that didn't get the massive welded tenders got the 130s back. Makes sense that an M1 still using a 110 would get a 130 as one came available.? ? ?That N1 looks sharp. Is that a recent decapod chassis? Looks it with the updated pistons. Too bad Alliance went away. Fortunate that you have their mechanisms because they are a significant improvement. Jeff jppellas@... 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