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Re: FT8 and ALC

 

Peter,

That is exactly what I do when I use my FT847 with JS8.

Steve
NA4SA


Re: FT8 and ALC

 

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No! If I understand you right. You must set your radio settings how you want. This is not the same power as on the software. There is a scale you adjust this to change the audio level. I think it¡¯s called the power level and it will bring your ALC down. You can have the ALC showing but set it low as you say or just disappearing but that¡¯s your choice, personally I have mine showing a couple of bars?
Sent from Jeff M0UHF?

On 1 Jan 2024, at 14:19, yvan skopek via groups.io <yvskop@...> wrote:

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Le lundi, janvier 1, 2024, 03:34, Peter <vk2adg@...> a ¨¦crit?:

Hey all.

Just playing around with FT8 and reading up as much as I can. Many links and how to's mention that you just need the ALC to flicker. SO I have set the PWR meter set to ALC. So in regards to the ALC dos this mean I adjust the audio to the radio till I see the first couple of squares/bars come up during transmit/tune?

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Yvan


Re?: [YaesuFT847] FT8 and ALC

 

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Le lundi, janvier 1, 2024, 03:34, Peter <vk2adg@...> a ¨¦crit?:

Hey all.

Just playing around with FT8 and reading up as much as I can. Many links and how to's mention that you just need the ALC to flicker. SO I have set the PWR meter set to ALC. So in regards to the ALC dos this mean I adjust the audio to the radio till I see the first couple of squares/bars come up during transmit/tune?

--
Yvan


FT8 and ALC

 

Hey all.

Just playing around with FT8 and reading up as much as I can. Many links and how to's mention that you just need the ALC to flicker. SO I have set the PWR meter set to ALC. So in regards to the ALC dos this mean I adjust the audio to the radio till I see the first couple of squares/bars come up during transmit/tune?


Re: General Cat control

 

Hmmm found the menu and the issue. I had the baud rate different. I made up a cable as per an online link. Once I changed the baud rate all went well....


Re: General Cat control

 

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you know you need a null modem type connection correct?? which cable type are you using?


On 12/22/2023 4:04 PM, Peter wrote:

Hey all. Tinkering around with an old (but newly aquired) 847 and doing what I like best and hooking up computers etc. I dont seem to be able to get any cat software to comminicate with the radio. is there a menu item somewhere that I have to turn on the cat control option in the radio? I see mention here and there googling it about a C+ or C- but not sure where that is.

Any ideas welcomed


General Cat control

 

Hey all. Tinkering around with an old (but newly aquired) 847 and doing what I like best and hooking up computers etc. I dont seem to be able to get any cat software to comminicate with the radio. is there a menu item somewhere that I have to turn on the cat control option in the radio? I see mention here and there googling it about a C+ or C- but not sure where that is.

Any ideas welcomed


Re: Preference to an interfacing system

 
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I used to use a remote rig interface on my TS480sat with great results or https://www.remoterig.com/wp/
The FT847 will interface but you will need remote controlling software as well, which depending on the serial number of your radio and whether or not you got the factory update (I did) will determine whether or not it's capable of bi-directional CAT (RS232) control.
I've got an FT847 and have used it with CAT control but it's been many years now since I have...
The CAT interface even when bidirectional will not give you access to each and every front panel control so bear this in mind as far as remote control but still will let you do many things...

Doug
N7BFS


Re: Preference to an interfacing system

 

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You should check the serial number of your 847 against the version chart (somewhere on the 'Net - I forget where).? The early versions could only be driven from CAT, not read from.? Not being able to see what the radio config, etc. is can make remote use a bit more challenging.

Greg? KO6TH


Spence M0STO via groups.io wrote:

Something as simple as a USB to RS232 adapter and then dev/ttyUSB0 normally?

My interface of choice is rather expensive but very reliable but you can get them from the internet here in the UK second user and quite cheap and that the BrainBoxes US-27501

? Remember the FT847 is Null modem connection to RS232 ports. You could use the Yaesu SC17 but that will only help you for VHF and UHF but will give you a standard com port without RTS and DTR and also create another port (uses same hardware connection but enhanced with RTS DTR pull-ups for PTT.). Mine is Com7 and Com8. I can¡¯t see any reason building a 6 mini din socket and that can connect to a Yaesu 8 pin microphone socket. Yaesu advertise the SCU17 for just about every radio except the FT847 probably because it¡¯s tricky to get it working with HF. Nearly all data ports on the FT847 are dedicated to VHF and UHF. Eg: 6 pin and 3.5mm data TNC.

? How this helps. Had to remove the video as I wasn¡¯t sure it had any personal information in it¡­. Will post again but I just Skyped myself and listened to GreenCube data but obviously can be extrapolated for any satellite.

De Spence M0STO

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On 19 Dec 2023, at 23:10, ft847@... wrote:

?What do you use to interface the RPI to the radio? Do you simply make up cables or have you a preferred box/unit


Re: Preference to an interfacing system

 

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Something as simple as a USB to RS232 adapter and then dev/ttyUSB0 normally?

My interface of choice is rather expensive but very reliable but you can get them from the internet here in the UK second user and quite cheap and that the BrainBoxes US-27501

? Remember the FT847 is Null modem connection to RS232 ports. You could use the Yaesu SC17 but that will only help you for VHF and UHF but will give you a standard com port without RTS and DTR and also create another port (uses same hardware connection but enhanced with RTS DTR pull-ups for PTT.). Mine is Com7 and Com8. I can¡¯t see any reason building a 6 mini din socket and that can connect to a Yaesu 8 pin microphone socket. Yaesu advertise the SCU17 for just about every radio except the FT847 probably because it¡¯s tricky to get it working with HF. Nearly all data ports on the FT847 are dedicated to VHF and UHF. Eg: 6 pin and 3.5mm data TNC.

? How this helps. Had to remove the video as I wasn¡¯t sure it had any personal information in it¡­. Will post again but I just Skyped myself and listened to GreenCube data but obviously can be extrapolated for any satellite.

De Spence M0STO

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On 19 Dec 2023, at 23:10, ft847@... wrote:

?What do you use to interface the RPI to the radio? Do you simply make up cables or have you a preferred box/unit


Re: Preference to an interfacing system

 

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On 19 Dec 2023, at 22:43, Spence M0STO via groups.io <unavailable.equal@...> wrote:

?Just my 2 pennies worth. Interfacing and controlling your FT847 remotely is very simple, however piping audio back and forth over the internet ¡­.. tough¡­.. very tough.

For my satellite setup I listen to my FT847 and co tell it with a Pi controlling the intermediate link.
?Curiously enough I actually made a short video this evening for a lecture.

Using the Pi for VPN using OpenVPN and sharing the auth key with your mobile or VNC for more hands on. X11 or VNC-tight can do that for you with realVNC on phone or remote PC.

? Ok I use PSTRotstor and my phone to click on my rotator in PST and direct it but you could use the TCP feature built into PSTrotator and open a port in your router but unfortunately PSTrotstor doesn¡¯t accommodate anything other than Windows. In that case you need FLdigi and FLRig.

?Ok now the big headache. Audio. I personally use Skype on my remote PC and simply phone myself over VPC and my phone rings I mute the mic on the phone as ?it ?tends to clutter when full duplex audio is in operation and causes drop outs due to a noise cancelling feature I¡¯ve not managed so turn off no matter if you turn it off in Skype. The result is is ok streaming audio but you could cheat and press TX and then use an audio interface such as a Signalink SL-1 (that¡¯s what I¡¯ve used) and then select the microphone in Skype to output the audio to the front socket on the radio. The SCU-17 will only work for UHF and VHF as the 6 pin socket and TNC was never designed for HF so you¡¯re left with the front socket for HF. You could risk linking the speaker output of your PC or PI direct but that¡¯s fraught with RF loops and feedback.?

?I would also build a TOT also with a simple timer bought from the far east set it for 2 minutes. This way if comms drop all together your not key down until you regain connection. There is an inhibit built into one of the sockets (I think it¡¯s the standby socket)? But need to look as I inhibited mine with a 4.7k resistor if my memory serves me to stop all TX while I¡¯m monitoring remotely.

?The alternative is to Pay for a license for RealVNC¡¯s audio streaming service. It¡¯s proprietary and does not use RTSP according to RealVNC.?

?Lastly, get Adobe encode and use the PI as a RTSP server and encode the audio on the fly. You will have to do the same at the other end and have half duplex communication which gets really sticky. If there was another way of streaming audio over the Internet¡­.. I would have found it but even I¡¯m stuck for a solution.

Will post a video soon.

De Spence M0STO



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On 19 Dec 2023, at 21:52, ft847@... wrote:

?Hey All.

I just picked up a 847 second hand (obviously) and want to use it at a remote location if at all possible. I have been scanning this group for links and suggestions for interfacing ideas etc. Idealy I would like to use a RPI at the remote location but open to any ideas. What is the easiest complete solution to buying an interface and cables in the one spot?


Re: Preference to an interfacing system

 

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Just my 2 pennies worth. Interfacing and controlling your FT847 remotely is very simple, however piping audio back and forth over the internet ¡­.. tough¡­.. very tough.

For my satellite setup I listen to my FT847 and co tell it with a Pi controlling the intermediate link.
?Curiously enough I actually made a short video this evening for a lecture.

Using the Pi for VPN using OpenVPN and sharing the auth key with your mobile or VNC for more hands on. X11 or VNC-tight can do that for you with realVNC on phone or remote PC.

? Ok I use PSTRotstor and my phone to click on my rotator in PST and direct it but you could use the TCP feature built into PSTrotator and open a port in your router but unfortunately PSTrotstor doesn¡¯t accommodate anything other than Windows. In that case you need FLdigi and FLRig.

?Ok now the big headache. Audio. I personally use Skype on my remote PC and simply phone myself over VPC and my phone rings I mute the mic on the phone as ?it ?tends to clutter when full duplex audio is in operation and causes drop outs due to a noise cancelling feature I¡¯ve not managed so turn off no matter if you turn it off in Skype. The result is is ok streaming audio but you could cheat and press TX and then use an audio interface such as a Signalink SL-1 (that¡¯s what I¡¯ve used) and then select the microphone in Skype to output the audio to the front socket on the radio. The SCU-17 will only work for UHF and VHF as the 6 pin socket and TNC was never designed for HF so you¡¯re left with the front socket for HF. You could risk linking the speaker output of your PC or PI direct but that¡¯s fraught with RF loops and feedback.?

?I would also build a TOT also with a simple timer bought from the far east set it for 2 minutes. This way if comms drop all together your not key down until you regain connection. There is an inhibit built into one of the sockets (I think it¡¯s the standby socket)? But need to look as I inhibited mine with a 4.7k resistor if my memory serves me to stop all TX while I¡¯m monitoring remotely.

?The alternative is to Pay for a license for RealVNC¡¯s audio streaming service. It¡¯s proprietary and does not use RTSP according to RealVNC.?

?Lastly, get Adobe encode and use the PI as a RTSP server and encode the audio on the fly. You will have to do the same at the other end and have half duplex communication which gets really sticky. If there was another way of streaming audio over the Internet¡­.. I would have found it but even I¡¯m stuck for a solution.

Will post a video soon.

De Spence M0STO



Sent while portable! please excuse typos.

On 19 Dec 2023, at 21:52, ft847@... wrote:

?Hey All.

I just picked up a 847 second hand (obviously) and want to use it at a remote location if at all possible. I have been scanning this group for links and suggestions for interfacing ideas etc. Idealy I would like to use a RPI at the remote location but open to any ideas. What is the easiest complete solution to buying an interface and cables in the one spot?


Preference to an interfacing system

 

Hey All.

I just picked up a 847 second hand (obviously) and want to use it at a remote location if at all possible. I have been scanning this group for links and suggestions for interfacing ideas etc. Idealy I would like to use a RPI at the remote location but open to any ideas. What is the easiest complete solution to buying an interface and cables in the one spot?


Re: FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

This warning Jeff?


Re: FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

I was more concerned with the diodes they show in the Yaesu manual in the ALC cable, The cable in manual was designed to connect to 4 amps. My 847 may never see an amp inline if it does it will most likely be vhf and uhf.


Re: FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

I think you will find it is the PTT you are not supposed to use with an amplifier. This is a low level, low current switch and meant for foot pedals as an input. The Standby socket however can switch relays up to 24vdc at 100ma but a typically the switching relay voltage is 12vdc 25ma ~ 75ma. The circuit is open collector transistor.

Regarding the PTT:

Note: This jack is designed to be used for external
PTT input only. Do not attempt to use the PTT jack for switching amplifiers or other external devices (use the STBY jack for controlling such devices .

Without the ALC (which will accommodate up to -4vdc) you will guarantee to put any connected amplifier at risk of runaway.

Personally I run my FT847 into my VL1000 at full output (100w) and then adjust the ALC to 1000w. No matter how much input I put into my VL1000 it won¡¯t be overdriven. The limit in the UK is currently 400w so can be safely driven at much lower drives to achieve that and just in case of band switching and then running 100w into a relatively low ALC and overdriving my amplifier and damaging it. With this simple precaution it¡¯s impossible to run more than 1000w.

De Spence M0STO




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Re: FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

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If you read your manual, you will see there is a warning not to use the ALC for an amplifier.?

Sent from Jeff M0UHF?

On 18 Dec 2023, at 01:32, Andy Bosworth <sidthepop@...> wrote:

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There is an ALC connector on rear panel.
This is an RCA/phono connector. Most linears use the same, I suggest a phono to phono lead, which are commonly used for connecting hi-fi units together.
Andy
G4XNG

On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 at 19:23, Tim Davis KJ4DHF via <kj4dhf=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All,

Looking for a little help on the FT-847 EXT ALC Cable. I could find no reference to a part number in my manual. I did locate on pg 14 both the STBY Cable and the ALC Cable. Was the ALC? Cable ever available from Yaesu?

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Re: FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

There is an ALC connector on rear panel.
This is an RCA/phono connector. Most linears use the same, I suggest a phono to phono lead, which are commonly used for connecting hi-fi units together.
Andy
G4XNG


On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 at 19:23, Tim Davis KJ4DHF via <kj4dhf=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All,

Looking for a little help on the FT-847 EXT ALC Cable. I could find no reference to a part number in my manual. I did locate on pg 14 both the STBY Cable and the ALC Cable. Was the ALC? Cable ever available from Yaesu?

Please sign your posts ( GW3FSP - Moderator )


Re?: [YaesuFT847] FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

better way DIY...

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Le dimanche, d¨¦cembre 17, 2023, 20:11, Tim Davis KJ4DHF via groups.io <kj4dhf@...> a ¨¦crit?:

Hello All,

Looking for a little help on the FT-847 EXT ALC Cable. I could find no reference to a part number in my manual. I did locate on pg 14 both the STBY Cable and the ALC Cable. Was the ALC? Cable ever available from Yaesu?

Please sign your posts ( GW3FSP - Moderator )

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Yvan


FT-847 Interfacing cables

 

Hello All,

Looking for a little help on the FT-847 EXT ALC Cable. I could find no reference to a part number in my manual. I did locate on pg 14 both the STBY Cable and the ALC Cable. Was the ALC? Cable ever available from Yaesu?

Please sign your posts ( GW3FSP - Moderator )