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Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing - it must be seen as for the community, of the community & by the community for it to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.
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Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
On Saturday, March 2, 2024 at 12:04:02 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner?
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote: If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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It would certainly be a long term project. The Wakefield News took something like 20 years to get to its current subscriber level.?
On Sun., 3 Mar. 2024 at 7:15 a.m., Vagner Castilho <vagcast@...> wrote: i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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It may well be that it never gets to that level - it is the interested members of the community that will decide the numbers and that will tell us what our true popularity is (if that's important?to you) and we'd have to be realistic about that membership number. But just because we post in a pool of 900 doesn't mean that your/our readership?is 900 - anyway if you can't post freely then what?value doe this number?900 mean? Maybe there will be more younger and newer residents who will join - I know many who don't bother with WTF News? In the end for me it's about the freedom of the topics and giving voice to others -? these are qualities not quantities
It would certainly be a long term project. The Wakefield News took something like 20 years to get to its current subscriber level.?
On Sun., 3 Mar. 2024 at 7:15 a.m., Vagner Castilho i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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We have to build our own community to give voice to those
people who want to engage in topics not allowed on WTF News - not just for our
voices or our plight ¨C it is their voices and their plight that we must keep in
mind.?
The larger WE need a safe space to discuss ¨C dialogue ¨C
read ¨C respond ¨C even argue ¨C in a civil manner.? We must try to build that space and it will
grow or not based on the community not our wishes.
We also cannot join WTF News under their censorship.? We would always be under their thumb.
I WANT TO REMIND MYSELF WHY I¡¯M BOTHERING WITH THIS:
People
were discussing the genocide in Gaza when a broad brush painted (not
just Ramez) but anyone who posted about that global horror as people ¡°stoking
the flames of anti-Semitic hatred.¡±? That
was the vague libelous condemnation that started all of this.
Later we
were told NOT to speak about:
- Religion
- Gender Topics
- Abortion
- Transgender Issues
- All the various wars around the world
- American politics
- Canadian politics
- Gun rights
- Environmental issues
- Animal rights/Veganism
There are people who do want to speak and listen, share and
learn about these issues in a civil manner.
To silence these topics is censorship ¨C and there is
too much of that happening these days.? I
will never agree to the censorship policy of WTF News ¨C and that policy cannot
be justified by a simple majority or poll ¨C free speech must be guaranteed to
minority voices.
If you examined every single post on WFT News you¡¯d find that
many would not be supported by a majority but that¡¯s not the point ¨C you can¡¯t
censor-by-numbers and pretend that it is not censorship.
900 vs.100? We need to be realistic ¨C we currently do not
know how many of those 900 people on WTF News read or like anything that we
have to say ¨C for argument¡¯s sake, let¡¯s say it is 100 ¨C just because we were
publishing in a population of 900 we were only really communicating with a
portion of that number.? We are already a
bubble within a bubble.?
BUT I¡¯D RATHER CONVERSE AND LISTEN TO THOSE 100 THAN TO BE
TOTALLY SILENCED AND TO HAVE THEIR VOICES TOTALLY SILENCED.
I believe that we can build a platform to serve that
community and that is our challenge.
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 7:15?AM Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote: i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho <vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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I know Rob and its a real problem.? And, if I was a usual casual reader of the WF news (as I mostly am) I might have missed the skirmishes that resulted in some voices being censored. And, because of the total lack of transparency by the Admins, subscribed members (and banned people alike) are not aware when someone is banned or the reason for the banning. So, I imagine that most of the 900 have gone on their merry way without thinking about this issue much at all.?
edythe ? ?
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 11:01:17 a.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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You're right Edythe,
But I think that we have to resist reliving those skirmishes and build a positive space free from that kind of censorship.
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 11:16?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
I know Rob and its a real problem.? And, if I was a usual casual reader of the WF news (as I mostly am) I might have missed the skirmishes that resulted in some voices being censored. And, because of the total lack of transparency by the Admins, subscribed members (and banned people alike) are not aware when someone is banned or the reason for the banning. So, I imagine that most of the 900 have gone on their merry way without thinking about this issue much at all.?
edythe ? ?
That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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Rob, Vagner, Sean,
Do you think all efforts have been exhausted in trying to reform the current WF news???Not that I want to take a one person, in person, delegation to them about their enforcement of list rules, I would let it go if I am the only one.
I think discussion with the Admins has all been via email so far right?? If so, it's not the best medium for dispute resolution, I don't think.? All three of you seem sure that they are incorrigible.? I do not know them at all, never met either of them so I have no image of what they are like.? The rest of you all know them, I presume? bye for now, edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 12:30:55 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
You're right Edythe,
But I think that we have to resist reliving those skirmishes and build a positive space free from that kind of censorship.
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 11:16?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
I know Rob and its a real problem.? And, if I was a usual casual reader of the WF news (as I mostly am) I might have missed the skirmishes that resulted in some voices being censored. And, because of the total lack of transparency by the Admins, subscribed members (and banned people alike) are not aware when someone is banned or the reason for the banning. So, I imagine that most of the 900 have gone on their merry way without thinking about this issue much at all.?
edythe ? ?
That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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Hi Edythe,
I do not think that they are incorrigible at all - I know that Tim is a passionate supporter of peace in Palestine by his activity on FaceBook. This is not personal - it is about the policies, actions and decisions that they have made & the absence of rationale?for their actions.
They have listened?to Phil and others and have dug a hole?that they cannot get out of - it has become a trench for them. They are now unable to change?position and open up the forum to its previous freedom because of the actions they took and the people who were encouraged?by those actions. If this community is divided (as all communities?are at any time on a given subject) it is not because of the posts that have been banned but because the censorship decisions have cut it in two like a cleaver.
I will not meet with them - there is no reason to?meet - they can fix the problem?by returning the forum to how it was - it was working fine - they have the power - they need the courage - we have informed them and given?them countless opportunities to be fair - then they ban us!
They never should have published Phil's post as it was or Kingsley's in the form it was written as a call to banish his "10 commandments of silence" - they had no backbone then and they remain invertebrate.
I recommend that you sign up to a new forum where you can learn and share topics important?to you - TRUST ME IT'S COMING!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 1:50?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Rob, Vagner, Sean,
Do you think all efforts have been exhausted in trying to reform the current WF news???Not that I want to take a one person, in person, delegation to them about their enforcement of list rules, I would let it go if I am the only one.
I think discussion with the Admins has all been via email so far right?? If so, it's not the best medium for dispute resolution, I don't think.? All three of you seem sure that they are incorrigible.? I do not know them at all, never met either of them so I have no image of what they are like.? The rest of you all know them, I presume? bye for now, edythe
You're right Edythe,
But I think that we have to resist reliving those skirmishes and build a positive space free from that kind of censorship. On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 11:16?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
I know Rob and its a real problem.? And, if I was a usual casual reader of the WF news (as I mostly am) I might have missed the skirmishes that resulted in some voices being censored. And, because of the total lack of transparency by the Admins, subscribed members (and banned people alike) are not aware when someone is banned or the reason for the banning. So, I imagine that most of the 900 have gone on their merry way without thinking about this issue much at all.?
edythe ? ?
That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list.
I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials.
Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion?
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However that will not show me the private messages of support each of you, and Paula have received regarding your posts.?
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 09:47:27 p.m. EST, sean butler via groups.io <seanthesea@...> wrote:
One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list.
I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials.
Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion?
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I have assembled a list of positive supporters?from WFN (I copied?all those posts into a file earlier)and Paula's and my private emails - there?are over 30 - I know of a few others but don't know their?email addresses.
If you guys got any private emails of support could you collect them into a list - same for supporters?from the blogs. I'll combine the lists.
I'm going to be busy today?and?tonight - I'll have more time tomorrow
On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 12:19?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
However that will not show me the private messages of support each of you, and Paula have received regarding your posts.?
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 09:47:27 p.m. EST, sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list.
I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials.
Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion?
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You are way ahead of us Rob, thanks.
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 05:39:22 a.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
I have assembled a list of positive supporters?from WFN (I copied?all those posts into a file earlier)and Paula's and my private emails - there?are over 30 - I know of a few others but don't know their?email addresses.
If you guys got any private emails of support could you collect them into a list - same for supporters?from the blogs. I'll combine the lists.
I'm going to be busy today?and?tonight - I'll have more time tomorrow
On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 12:19?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
However that will not show me the private messages of support each of you, and Paula have received regarding your posts.?
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 09:47:27 p.m. EST, sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote:
One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list.
I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials.
Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion?
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Hi all,
sorry for the delayed contribution. I'm reading this on my phone which is perhaps not the best thing to do as that's hard to follow the trail of the conversation. Not sure if it's better on the computer but I haven't been on the computer of late.
I understand why Rob wants to create a new forum, and I believe there should be a forum for the sorts of things that have been banned. It's interesting to see what is still getting through. Like the post yesterday about the UN emergency service, and ilse's regular posts about the peace vigil.
I'm going to throw out a few thoughts about the new forum, and it's challenges, that are perhaps not well thought through.?
1) The posts that were banned from the WN were not really discussions initially. They were links to petitions, assemblies and news sources. The discussions only got going when there was push back about those earlier posts. From what I have seen of the WN, it doesn't seem to be used for discussion. It's more for information.
I believe it should be a place for all information, but seems the admin are not going to allow that. It's really not clear how they are deciding what should be posted and what should not be. Currently, it might be the post of certain people that are automatically disallowed...?
Would a new forum contain predominantly ?information posts (understanding that occasionally some back-and-forth might occur) or is the intent to create a discussion forum? Personally, I'm not a big fan of an online discussion. I'd rather just talk to people.
2) As already noted, the membership of a new forum is initially going to be small, so the information posted will not reach many people.?
3) Small membership?also means that not much information will be posted.Where content of the new forum is concerned, I assume that the intention is not to have anyone (Or any group ) proactively generating content... be it news, information or discussion. ?It would be more organic, like the current WN, where members post the occasional thing which interests them ?and which they feel would interest others.?
The amount of posting would probably fluctuate depending on what is going on in the world and in the community at any given time. But with a small membership, there might be so little content that the forum seems marginal and static¡ And this could make it harder to attract new membership.
Not being very tech savvy, and having never been part of running a forum such as the one that is proposed, I don't really know how much work is involved, and what roles need to be filled. I don't have a lot of time at the moment, but I'd be willing to pitch in a bit. That said , I do like to limit my screen time.
cheers, Paola
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Hi Paola,
Trust me I have thought about the points that you have raised and I have come to some conclusions that I am acting on.
Since there is no place for those voices/topics we either try and create one or we censor ourselves.
The success however one defines it will be based on the communiity response and I'm mature enough to know if my voice is in a minority without being insulted.
The links to global matters and social justice issues were important to some people and those posts informed people and engaged them in actions.?
Those posts also did create discussions - publicly online, by private messaging and in face to face dialogues? - we never would have met each other if it wasn't for our sharing of thoughts - Vagner and I have also begun to meet regularly (although we have known each other before this debacle.? I have made contact with a number of people like Edythe, Sean and many other online and have met with afew of them because of these "conversations" online.
So, respectfully I guess I don't agree with some of your conclusions.
As per the size of membership we will find out how much of a minority that we are as members of a group like this.? I think we have been misled as to our popularity by assuming how many people read or like our views in that population of 900 members on WFN.? Just because you post there does not mean you have an engaged audience of 900. We will have to try and build a commmunity and they decide if they want it.
Anyway for me its is about the principle of free speech and an open forum with topics that are relevant and outside the censorship of WFN.? Its about those qualities not about a reification of numbers or a misinterpratation of a statistic - who know how many of the 900 are actually reading anything?? Some of them may not even be alive or in the region anymore?? The number is a phantom.
I am willing to work at it and give it a good try.? If it fails (by someone's definition) I can handle that but it won't be because I didn't try.? It will inform me of where I live and what is important to some people.
I never thought that I was of the majority dominant view but that doesn't mean I have to censor myself.
I have passed the point of analyzing and am now acting.
Stay tuned...Rob
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