Rob, Vagner, Sean,
Do you think all efforts have been exhausted in trying to reform the current WF news???Not that I want to take a one person, in person, delegation to them about their enforcement of list rules, I would let it go if I am the only one.
I think discussion with the Admins has all been via email so far right?? If so, it's not the best medium for dispute resolution, I don't think.? All three of you seem sure that they are incorrigible.? I do not know them at all, never met either of them so I have no image of what they are like.? The rest of you all know them, I presume? bye for now, edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 12:30:55 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
You're right Edythe,
But I think that we have to resist reliving those skirmishes and build a positive space free from that kind of censorship.
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 11:16?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
I know Rob and its a real problem.? And, if I was a usual casual reader of the WF news (as I mostly am) I might have missed the skirmishes that resulted in some voices being censored. And, because of the total lack of transparency by the Admins, subscribed members (and banned people alike) are not aware when someone is banned or the reason for the banning. So, I imagine that most of the 900 have gone on their merry way without thinking about this issue much at all.?
edythe ? ?
That list is all I know of - BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY?EVERYONE ON THE WF NEWS IS SUBJECT?TO ARBITRARY?CENSORSHIP ON A WIDE RANGE?OF ISSUES - behave or be silenced in one way or another!
On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 10:56?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
All I know is that re the WF news -?
Rob is banned I am banned
Sean is banned, but has a business email still subscribed Paula unsubscribed? Vagner is monitored? Paola is monitored
Do you know of others who were banned as well for questioning the Admins?? If not and this is it, we are a tiny minority.? But as Rob points out, the demographic of those subscribed to the WF news may be aging, and there could be more younger people out there who would gravitate to a new newsletter.
edythe
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 07:15:17 a.m. EST, Vagner Castilho < vagcast@...> wrote:
i don't?think a new forum is a bad idea, but my concerns?remain about what we will accomplish by opening up our own forum.? the wakefield news currently has over 900 members and was a great place to raise the issues we were raising because it captured a diverse audience.? how many people do we realistically think will migrate?over to a new platform?? i'd be surprised if 100 people came over and no doubt they would be those who are sympathetic to our cause/plight. hopefully i'm wrong, but that is my sense judging by how quickly this?has blown over despite Sean and I sharing our experiences.? if our goal is not for it to become an echo chamber of those who think like us then we would need a long term strategy to slowly bring people over.? ? sadly in the interim there will be no broader platform to discuss these important issues.? the wakefield news has reverted to a simple buy/sell, events etc forum with the occasional non locally written poetry thrown in to remind?us what a joke admin's rules are.? a slap in the face and a reminder of why i have no interest in engaging with this admin in any way moving forward.
On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 11:25?PM sean butler via <seanthesea= [email protected]> wrote: Not really into that right now. Run with the list. I'm happy to volunteer for it once syrup season is done.
On Sat., 2 Mar. 2024 at 2:41 p.m., robert snikkar If Sean would like to do that I'll wait to hear the outcome.? What do you think Sean? Vagner? On Sat, Mar 2, 2024 at 2:32?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler= [email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for putting so much of your time and effort into this Rob.? Who are the people subscribed at this point?? Yes I will keep this private until you are ready to open it up to others. Who is subscribed at this point?? Sorry to say,?I won't volunteer to help set up and maintain an online forum, I have poor tech skills.??
I spoke to Sean today and mentioned that before we make the decision to establish a new list, it would be a good idea to try to set up an in person meeting with the WF news Admins, to sit down and discuss this situation.? Anyone they are monitoring now or have already banned could be invited.? Sean said his friend Abby had already suggested this idea too . . .? ?
What do you think?
Edythe
Hi guys,
I want to use WakeyLeaks as our private planning platform.
Please keep these shared ideas within this group until we lauanch a public forum.
We can discuss strategies, draft joint communiques and stage campaigns here.
I have set-up?The-Bridge for an open public platform for community members.
I have rough drafts for launch materials (invitation, mailing list, scope of forum and its complemetary relationship to WFN, code of conduct, guidlines for posting & reporting...)
So many things are happening in the big scary world that members want to share - we need a space for our voices.
I hope to move quickly and launch soon.
Let me know what you think - and what commitments you can consider for the launch or for ongoing operations.
We will need a team of repesentative (rotating?) moderators - men & women - to keep it going
I am willing to spend time on this - but it must be a group thing not an individual thing for the community, of the community & by the community to thrive - that will mean some work to get it going and keep it running
I will park my satire and ego in another place - maybe my own WakeyLeaks podcast - so I don't pollute the community forum with any negativity that I may be perceievd as displaying.
Let me what you want to do.?
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