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Hugely important win: Help us keep the pressure up! / Une victoire tr¨¨s importante : Aidez-nous ¨¤ maintenir la pression !
Some better news? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East <info@...> Date: Fri, Mar 8, 2024 at 6:15?PM Subject: Hugely important win: Help us keep the pressure up! / Une victoire tr¨¨s importante : Aidez-nous ¨¤ maintenir la pression ! To: Rob Snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...>
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BTW - One of our free spech supporters just won a Governer General's Art award
BTW one of our free speech supporters just won a Governor General's Arts award from the Canada Council. We are in prestigiuos company - her work is amazing and it speaks to issues of socila justice Here was her post: Jan 26???#13030??? ? I take note of the Admins' reminder of the initial purpose of this group and will abide by it.However, let me point out that ignoring difficult topics will not necessarily make us a stronger community; respectful and thoughtful dialogue will, regardless of topics.? I don't expect to always agree or feel comfortable with everyone's ideas, nor do I think I own the truth. The point is precisely about broadening my understanding and perspective based on informed and balanced viewpoints. I appreciated the views some people expressed on the Israel-Hamas war in that regards - not that I relish reading about wars every morning! Be well, Dominique |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
Thanks?Paola, Yes, with full respect I was trying to explain the reality of this project - so no one has false illusions about its measure of success. I have been working on many angles and listening to all the feedback that I can collect so I welcome your insights and thank?you for them. Trust me I'm no ego freak here - it is hard to promote a collective idea or space without ego and ownership issues becoming involved. We are all human with all the facilities?that that implies. Let's try something and see what?happens.? Maybe we can give voice to others?? Maybe they prefer to remain silent?? "More's the pity" then. Stay tuned...the wheel are turning...Rob On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 8:52?AM paola derose via <paoladr=[email protected]> wrote: Hi Rob, I wasn't trying to dissuade you. Or offering conclusions... just pondering on what some of the challenges could be. I certainly feel enriched by the contacts I have made as a result of the WN controversy, and I hope the new forum has that effect, for me and for others. I look forward to seeing what you will come up with. As I said, not a techie, but happy to help out a bit. Cheers, Paola? |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
Hi Rob, I wasn't trying to dissuade you. Or offering conclusions... just pondering on what some of the challenges could be. I certainly feel enriched by the contacts I have made as a result of the WN controversy, and I hope the new forum has that effect, for me and for others. I look forward to seeing what you will come up with. As I said, not a techie, but happy to help out a bit. Cheers, Paola?
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Re: Some addresses to track down
thnx Sean - that brings it to 49 contacts and counting On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 7:30?PM sean butler via <seanthesea=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Some addresses to track down
Steve Harris: steveh123@...
On Tuesday, March 5, 2024 at 11:06:14 AM EST, Edythe Butler via groups.io <edythebutler@...> wrote:
Hi again Rob, I couldn't find an email for Steve Harris, I hope you find one.? I liked his post to the WF news, and even saved it, but without his email. Steve
Harris vs John Kingsley below, who is being disrespectful?? ? Re: Silence in the Hills John Kingsley Steve, Just spend the 15 minutes to
fill out the on-line forms to create a new email list. There is nothing stopping you
from creating the new list. ? Silence in the Hills Steve Harris?? It's upsetting that one person cries out "Anti-Semitism" and free speech come to a halt in the Wakefield News. Is it?"Anti-Christian" to criticize the right wing evangelists that guide and support Donald Trump?? The current government in Israel is as fanatical and as off the course of Judaism as the Trump supporters are off the course of Christianity. There are many Jewish voices in Canada?such as Gabor & Rae Mat¨¦, Arthur Milner and Avi Lewis?that are very critical of current Israeli government actions. Today, there is a wonderful summary in this forum of one person's reasons for wanting to exclude open discussions. The writer doesn't want to see nuttin about nuttin... This idea that non-Wakefield issues are not welcome here reminds me sadly of our country's attitude in 1939 to the ship the "St. Louis", packed with Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. Our country refused entry to that ship. We didn't have much discussion and we didn't want to get involved.? Not wanting to know, discuss and contemplate difficult issues nearly always has unfortunate consequences... Steve?
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 05:29:02 p.m. EST, Edythe Butler <edythebutler@...> wrote:
Here's a few Rob: Corinnemce@... Dominique Blain? db4013@... Floramarialuna@... Andrew Park????Anditopark@... Sarah Little????Sarahlittle@...
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 03:20:00 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
I have some names of supporters but not their emails. Do you know the emaill addresses? And Vagner maybe you have some names to add. These come from WFN Replies to Sender... The links below will lead you to the post in WFN ¨C if you have access ¨C are still a member ¨C then you can Reply to Sender with a message ? Andrew Park Andrew Park Delphine Bishop? Delphine Bishop Flower Marie Lunn F M Lunn Jonathan Wright ?Jonathan Wright? Rob McCart Rob McCart ? Miriam Ponette Miriam Ponette Peter Gillies peteragillies Sarah Little Sarah Little ? Steve Harris Steve Harris ? Yvette Halpin Yvette Halpin |
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Re: Some addresses to track down
Hi again Rob, I couldn't find an email for Steve Harris, I hope you find one.? I liked his post to the WF news, and even saved it, but without his email. Steve
Harris vs John Kingsley below, who is being disrespectful?? ? Re: Silence in the Hills John Kingsley Steve, Just spend the 15 minutes to
fill out the on-line forms to create a new email list. There is nothing stopping you
from creating the new list. ? Silence in the Hills Steve Harris?? It's upsetting that one person cries out "Anti-Semitism" and free speech come to a halt in the Wakefield News. Is it?"Anti-Christian" to criticize the right wing evangelists that guide and support Donald Trump?? The current government in Israel is as fanatical and as off the course of Judaism as the Trump supporters are off the course of Christianity. There are many Jewish voices in Canada?such as Gabor & Rae Mat¨¦, Arthur Milner and Avi Lewis?that are very critical of current Israeli government actions. Today, there is a wonderful summary in this forum of one person's reasons for wanting to exclude open discussions. The writer doesn't want to see nuttin about nuttin... This idea that non-Wakefield issues are not welcome here reminds me sadly of our country's attitude in 1939 to the ship the "St. Louis", packed with Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Germany. Our country refused entry to that ship. We didn't have much discussion and we didn't want to get involved.? Not wanting to know, discuss and contemplate difficult issues nearly always has unfortunate consequences... Steve?
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 05:29:02 p.m. EST, Edythe Butler <edythebutler@...> wrote:
Here's a few Rob: Corinnemce@... Dominique Blain? db4013@... Floramarialuna@... Andrew Park????Anditopark@... Sarah Little????Sarahlittle@...
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 03:20:00 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
I have some names of supporters but not their emails. Do you know the emaill addresses? And Vagner maybe you have some names to add. These come from WFN Replies to Sender... The links below will lead you to the post in WFN ¨C if you have access ¨C are still a member ¨C then you can Reply to Sender with a message ? Andrew Park Andrew Park Delphine Bishop? Delphine Bishop Flower Marie Lunn F M Lunn Jonathan Wright ?Jonathan Wright? Rob McCart Rob McCart ? Miriam Ponette Miriam Ponette Peter Gillies peteragillies Sarah Little Sarah Little ? Steve Harris Steve Harris ? Yvette Halpin Yvette Halpin |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
Hi Paola,
Trust me I have thought about the points that you have raised and I have come to some conclusions that I am acting on. Since there is no place for those voices/topics we either try and create one or we censor ourselves. The success however one defines it will be based on the communiity response and I'm mature enough to know if my voice is in a minority without being insulted. The links to global matters and social justice issues were important to some people and those posts informed people and engaged them in actions.? Those posts also did create discussions - publicly online, by private messaging and in face to face dialogues? - we never would have met each other if it wasn't for our sharing of thoughts - Vagner and I have also begun to meet regularly (although we have known each other before this debacle.? I have made contact with a number of people like Edythe, Sean and many other online and have met with afew of them because of these "conversations" online. So, respectfully I guess I don't agree with some of your conclusions. As per the size of membership we will find out how much of a minority that we are as members of a group like this.? I think we have been misled as to our popularity by assuming how many people read or like our views in that population of 900 members on WFN.? Just because you post there does not mean you have an engaged audience of 900. We will have to try and build a commmunity and they decide if they want it. Anyway for me its is about the principle of free speech and an open forum with topics that are relevant and outside the censorship of WFN.? Its about those qualities not about a reification of numbers or a misinterpratation of a statistic - who know how many of the 900 are actually reading anything?? Some of them may not even be alive or in the region anymore?? The number is a phantom. I am willing to work at it and give it a good try.? If it fails (by someone's definition) I can handle that but it won't be because I didn't try.? It will inform me of where I live and what is important to some people. I never thought that I was of the majority dominant view but that doesn't mean I have to censor myself. I have passed the point of analyzing and am now acting. Stay tuned...Rob |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
Hi all, 3) Small membership?also means that not much information will be posted.Where content of the new forum is concerned, I assume that the intention is not to have anyone (Or any group ) proactively generating content... be it news, information or discussion. ?It would be more organic, like the current WN, where members post the occasional thing which interests them ?and which they feel would interest others.? The amount of posting would probably fluctuate depending on what is going on in the world and in the community at any given time. But with a small membership, there might be so little content that the forum seems marginal and static¡ And this could make it harder to attract new membership.
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Re: Some addresses to track down
Here's a few Rob: Corinnemce@... Dominique Blain? db4013@... Floramarialuna@... Andrew Park????Anditopark@... Sarah Little????Sarahlittle@...
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 03:20:00 p.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
I have some names of supporters but not their emails. Do you know the emaill addresses? And Vagner maybe you have some names to add. These come from WFN Replies to Sender... The links below will lead you to the post in WFN ¨C if you have access ¨C are still a member ¨C then you can Reply to Sender with a message ? Andrew Park Andrew Park Delphine Bishop? Delphine Bishop Flower Marie Lunn F M Lunn Jonathan Wright ?Jonathan Wright? Rob McCart Rob McCart ? Miriam Ponette Miriam Ponette Peter Gillies peteragillies Sarah Little Sarah Little ? Steve Harris Steve Harris ? Yvette Halpin Yvette Halpin |
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Some addresses to track down
I have some names of supporters but not their emails.
Do you know the emaill addresses? And Vagner maybe you have some names to add. These come from WFN Replies to Sender... The links below will lead you to the post in WFN ¨C if you have access ¨C are still a member ¨C then you can Reply to Sender with a message ? Andrew Park Andrew Park Delphine Bishop? Delphine Bishop Flower Marie Lunn F M Lunn Jonathan Wright ?Jonathan Wright? Rob McCart Rob McCart ? Miriam Ponette Miriam Ponette Peter Gillies peteragillies Sarah Little Sarah Little ? Steve Harris Steve Harris ? Yvette Halpin Yvette Halpin |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
You are way ahead of us Rob, thanks.
On Monday, March 4, 2024 at 05:39:22 a.m. EST, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
I have assembled a list of positive supporters?from WFN (I copied?all those posts into a file earlier)and Paula's and my private emails - there?are over 30 - I know of a few others but don't know their?email addresses. If you guys got any private emails of support could you collect them into a list - same for supporters?from the blogs. I'll combine the lists. I'm going to be busy today?and?tonight - I'll have more time tomorrow On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 12:19?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
I have assembled a list of positive supporters?from WFN (I copied?all those posts into a file earlier)and Paula's and my private emails - there?are over 30 - I know of a few others but don't know their?email addresses. If you guys got any private emails of support could you collect them into a list - same for supporters?from the blogs. I'll combine the lists. I'm going to be busy today?and?tonight - I'll have more time tomorrow On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 12:19?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
I can look back at messages posted to the WF news, if I have access to this page:?[email protected] | Messages However that will not show me the private messages of support each of you, and Paula have received regarding your posts.?
On Sunday, March 3, 2024 at 09:47:27 p.m. EST, sean butler via groups.io <seanthesea@...> wrote:
One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list. I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials. Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion? |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
One thing I've been thinking might be useful, but haven't had the time yet, would be to look back at all the messages posted in favour of a more open WF news, take note of who they were, and write them all. We could ask them all to sign on to a letter or protest to the admins, if we still feel that has any value. Or we could simply invite all of them to the new list. I realize Rob and Edythe no longer have access to the list archives, but if one of you want to take this on, I could send you my login credentials. Also, at the very minimum, should we invite the people on Edythe's list who have been banned or moderated to the Wakeyleaks list, to get their input on this discussion? |
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Re: WakeyLeaks and The-Bridge
Hi Edythe, I do not think that they are incorrigible at all - I know that Tim is a passionate supporter of peace in Palestine by his activity on FaceBook. This is not personal - it is about the policies, actions and decisions that they have made & the absence of rationale?for their actions. They have listened?to Phil and others and have dug a hole?that they cannot get out of - it has become a trench for them. They are now unable to change?position and open up the forum to its previous freedom because of the actions they took and the people who were encouraged?by those actions. If this community is divided (as all communities?are at any time on a given subject) it is not because of the posts that have been banned but because the censorship decisions have cut it in two like a cleaver. I will not meet with them - there is no reason to?meet - they can fix the problem?by returning the forum to how it was - it was working fine - they have the power - they need the courage - we have informed them and given?them countless opportunities to be fair - then they ban us! They never should have published Phil's post as it was or Kingsley's in the form it was written as a call to banish his "10 commandments of silence" - they had no backbone then and they remain invertebrate. I recommend that you sign up to a new forum where you can learn and share topics important?to you - TRUST ME IT'S COMING! On Sun, Mar 3, 2024 at 1:50?PM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler=[email protected]> wrote:
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