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Re: ...makes ya feel right at home doesn't it?
says it all doesn't it! On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 12:42?PM robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote: |
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Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea
Well that's really unfortunate! A subgroup was an elegant and easy solution. Where to from here? Like Edythe, I will happily subscribe, but I have too much on my plate, and not enough technical skills, to want to play a major role in setting it up or running it.? Given that "The Hills for peace and Justice" material and Vagner's latest link to his blog were published on the WFN, we should be able to flag subgroup content on the WFN if it's more than just a link. ie if it relates to a local event, or is written by one of us. But then only content we actively generate would make it to folks outside the subgroup.....No good solution!!? Those willing to take on a major role in this should be making the decisions about what/how/when. |
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Private: Re: Re: [WakeyLeaks] Could someone post this link to WFN?
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> Date: Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 8:56?AM Subject: Private: Re: Re: [WakeyLeaks] Could someone post this link to WFN? To: paola derose <paoladr@...> Thanks for your efforts Paola.? They just don't want to hear about racism - I guess it doesn't?exist in the local area.
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Re: Could someone post this link to WFN?
That's too bad Paola. awareness raising about racism is local.?You were put on moderation earlier, but at least the Admins informed you about it, and 'excused' you, saying you were new to the list.? Your subscription will be back on moderation again now I think, without the courtesy of them informing you . . .?or maybe you were never taken off.? Either way, if so, its strike two for you, and you will be banned if you step out of line again.?? It's miserable of the Admins to not communicate to a subscriber when their status on the list changes, giving the reason why.? But for them, it's easy when done behind the scenes.? It might cause them some fuss if their decisions were transparent, drawing in other subscribers who might object.?They remind me a bit of Joe Biden (in his devotion to Israel), in their devotion to their understanding of the original vision for the WF News as Phil Cohen set it up many years ago.? Yet, the written rules for the list are so vague as to be useless to anyone subscribed to it today.? ? edythe
On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 07:17:23 a.m. EDT, paola derose via groups.io <paoladr@...> wrote:
Hi all, I submitted it to the WFN. Enough time has passed that I assume it is not going to be posted. Presumably, not locally enough¡..! Would have thought that awareness raising about racism was local, even if the umbrella initiative covers a larger geographic area.
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Re: Could someone post this link to WFN?
Hi all, I submitted it to the WFN. Enough time has passed that I assume it is not going to be posted. Presumably, not locally enough¡..! Would have thought that awareness raising about racism was local, even if the umbrella initiative covers a larger geographic area.
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Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea
I am disappointed, too, that the Wakefield community so readily acquiesced to censorship and the banning that followed.?? And, you are right about the 'high recommendation' Tamara gives - to approach John Kingsley for advice and help, it's not a good fit. edythe
On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:52:22 a.m. EDT, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
Thanks for your thoughtful response Edythe.?? I agree with you about the WFN (and was appalled that they threw John Kingsley's name?back at us - he is one of the rudest members of WFN) I wanted to give them a chance?to show their true colours (...yellow) and offer a truly felt solution without vindictiveness. They (at least Tamara) have?made their character and integrity clear to me and I have to accept that they (and others in the community) are a disappointment when it comes to larger matters of social?justice and free speech. More's the pity - but I have not failed them - they have failed us. I will wait to see if Vagner, Sean, Paola and others are interested in carrying on - if there is consensus then I'd spend some time launching this platform - if only to prove a point and get a message out. ...later...Rob On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:43?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea
Thanks for your thoughtful response Edythe.?? I agree with you about the WFN (and was appalled that they threw John Kingsley's name?back at us - he is one of the rudest members of WFN) I wanted to give them a chance?to show their true colours (...yellow) and offer a truly felt solution without vindictiveness. They (at least Tamara) have?made their character and integrity clear to me and I have to accept that they (and others in the community) are a disappointment when it comes to larger matters of social?justice and free speech. More's the pity - but I have not failed them - they have failed us. I will wait to see if Vagner, Sean, Paola and others are interested in carrying on - if there is consensus then I'd spend some time launching this platform - if only to prove a point and get a message out. ...later...Rob On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:43?AM Edythe Butler via <edythebutler=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea
Hi Rob,? The admins have no wish to even respond to a face to face meeting with Linda, let alone expand the newsletter to a subgroup of troublemakers, unruly people wanting to discuss global issues!??It is too bad, I agree, but off the top of my head in this moment, I say forget about the WF News.? They can continue to run their newsletter as they want.? I missed it a tiny bit at first, I think mostly because it was a habit to see it every day. But now I don't miss it at all.? I would not even link to it in the way Tamara offers . . . "We would very happily link to that group both when it is getting set up and when there are posts or events the group would like to highlight" . . . I do not see them posting anything in future that they won't allow as a post today,?but that may just be spiteful thinking on my part. Setting up a new group will be a lot of work, notwithstanding all the work you have put in to now, Rob.? So, the decision will be yours, and others.? I would subscribe though :) bye for now, edythe
On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:00:14 a.m. EDT, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 8:11?AM Subject: Fwd: Wakefield News Subgroup idea To: Robert Snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> This just in Rob.? ??? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tamara Tarasoff <tamara1235@...> Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 7:59?a.m. Subject: Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea To: Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> Cc: Tim Appleby <tim.appleby@...> Hi Linda! Thank you for writing to us and proposing your idea for a subgroup. I appreciate that you are trying to find ways to foster non-local discussions. There are a couple of reasons why a subgroup would not be ideal. Tim and I would be owners of that subgroup, which is not ideal for that group. Membership would still rely on the rules we set. It would be far better to have a separate group owned and managed by people who wish to set their own guidelines and manage the group accordingly. We would very happily link to that group both when it is getting set up and when there are posts or events the group would like to highlight.? There had been a post and offer to help set up a separate group a while back, written by John Kingsley. He would be able to help set up a new group that would function in a way that would work for the members of that group. We highly recommend approaching him to see if the offer still stands. And once/if it¡¯s set up, we will help promote it. Thanks again for writing! See you soon, over that coffee you had suggested! Tamara Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead, US anthropologist & popularizer of anthropology (1901 - 1978) On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:52?AM Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> wrote:
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Wakefield News Subgroup idea
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 8:11?AM Subject: Fwd: Wakefield News Subgroup idea To: Robert Snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> This just in Rob.? ??? ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Tamara Tarasoff <tamara1235@...> Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 7:59?a.m. Subject: Re: Wakefield News Subgroup idea To: Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> Cc: Tim Appleby <tim.appleby@...> Hi Linda! Thank you for writing to us and proposing your idea for a subgroup. I appreciate that you are trying to find ways to foster non-local discussions. There are a couple of reasons why a subgroup would not be ideal. Tim and I would be owners of that subgroup, which is not ideal for that group. Membership would still rely on the rules we set. It would be far better to have a separate group owned and managed by people who wish to set their own guidelines and manage the group accordingly. We would very happily link to that group both when it is getting set up and when there are posts or events the group would like to highlight.? There had been a post and offer to help set up a separate group a while back, written by John Kingsley. He would be able to help set up a new group that would function in a way that would work for the members of that group. We highly recommend approaching him to see if the offer still stands. And once/if it¡¯s set up, we will help promote it. Thanks again for writing! See you soon, over that coffee you had suggested! Tamara Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. Margaret Mead, US anthropologist & popularizer of anthropology (1901 - 1978) On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:52?AM Linda Vanderlee <linda@...> wrote:
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Sub Group idea is dead
Linda has a reply from Tamara - WFN does not want?a Sub Group - suggests?that people?could start their own platform. I'm trying to decide if it is worth the trouble - if this community has spoken clearly or if it is just a few people?at?WFN who do not want a forum for free speech. Let me know what?you want to do with this news - set up a new group or not? I will forward?the last email?in Linda's thread to this group...Rob |
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Re: Could someone post this link to WFN?
Not that I know?of On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 8:40?AM paola derose via <paoladr=[email protected]> wrote: Just catching up on email after a busy week. Did this get posted? I'm not fully up to speed with the Wakefield news, so not sure. Cheers P |
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Re: Could someone post this link to WFN?
Hi Rob, I can't post it, but thanks for sharing, I signed their petition. edythe
On Friday, April 5, 2024 at 08:47:42 a.m. EDT, robert snikkar <snikkar.paintings@...> wrote:
This is an important project by CJPME - I'd post it if I could - please check it out and post it if you agree |
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