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Digest Number 81


 

According to telescope making volume 3, the filament materials in
order of merit are tungsten, tantalum, molybdenum and columbium.
Nichrome may also work as Nickel is a possible material. Nichrome may
be more easily available if you work in an industry that uses
furnaces as it is used for furnace elements .


Electrical pass throughs can also be constructed by drilling a hole
and then making sure that contact does not touch the sides and use a
neoprene or similar insulating material to insulate. Also from
telescope making vol3.

Geoff

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:38:11 +0100 (MET)
From: Dominic-Luc Webb <dlwebb@...>
Subject: aluminizing chamber electrodes queery


This is my first post to this list. Let's see if it works.

I have a vacuum chamber, which pulls needed vacuum for aluminizing, so
I am now at stage of needing to get electrodes into the stainless
steel chamber. James Learch already offered some ideas, and I was
hoping to see if there were others as well. I would be happy to know
of specific electrodes used and how they were inserted into the
chamber.

Along same line, anyone know if Tungsten is really required? Can I now
instead use something like Kanthal wire or perhaps a car cigarette
lighter heating element, etc? This seems more convenient.

I'll now wait and see if this gets distributed to the members.

Dominic-Luc Webb





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Hans Summers
 

Nichrome is also used in every day household toasters! The average household
toaster holds two slices of bread. From my reading, it contains about 5m of
nichrome wire and the power consumption is about 1 KW (UK mains 240V ac).
Note that these ratings are applicable in air. I do not know how this is
likely to change in a vaccuum.

I suspect the problem with Tungsten might be oxidation. H P Friedrichs has
used tungsten light bulb filaments in homemade triodes etc. See his book
Instruments of Amplification
. He found the lifetime
was only of the order of 15 minutes, when he removed the tungsten wire from
a light bulb and reused it in his valves. This was extended to a matter of
hours when he retained the entire lightbulb assembly i.e. did not handle the
tungsten wire.

Personally I would like to have a go at making some valves (lack of time at
the moment) and am wondering if nichrome would be suitable rather than
tungsten, and be much more convenient and easy to obtain.

Hans

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According to telescope making volume 3, the filament materials in
order of merit are tungsten, tantalum, molybdenum and columbium.
Nichrome may also work as Nickel is a possible material. Nichrome may
be more easily available if you work in an industry that uses
furnaces as it is used for furnace elements .


Electrical pass throughs can also be constructed by drilling a hole
and then making sure that contact does not touch the sides and use a
neoprene or similar insulating material to insulate. Also from
telescope making vol3.

Geoff

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1. aluminizing chamber electrodes queery
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:38:11 +0100 (MET)
From: Dominic-Luc Webb <dlwebb@...>
Subject: aluminizing chamber electrodes queery


This is my first post to this list. Let's see if it works.

I have a vacuum chamber, which pulls needed vacuum for aluminizing, so
I am now at stage of needing to get electrodes into the stainless
steel chamber. James Learch already offered some ideas, and I was
hoping to see if there were others as well. I would be happy to know
of specific electrodes used and how they were inserted into the
chamber.

Along same line, anyone know if Tungsten is really required? Can I now
instead use something like Kanthal wire or perhaps a car cigarette
lighter heating element, etc? This seems more convenient.

I'll now wait and see if this gets distributed to the members.

Dominic-Luc Webb





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arcstarter
 

--- In VacuumX@..., Hans Summers <Hans.Summers@t...>

I suspect the problem with Tungsten might be oxidation. H P
I would think that once proper vacuum has been reached there won't
be enough o2 left to cause any appreciable wear.

Seems that for aluminum the classic format is that of the heavy
gauge spiral tungsten filament. Aluminum in particular will alloy
with the tungsten prior to evaporation. Choice of wire size is
somewhat important as if your gauge is too fine the AL will dissolve
through the filament and casue it to break.

The site www.lesker.com contains TONS of useful vacuum information,
including suggested filament materials to be used with target
evaporants. The chart at:

irements_Boats7.cfm?
CFID=218535&CFTOKEN=45377807&section=tspttboats&init=skip
describes the voltage, amperage, power, max temperature relations
for their thermal evaporation sources.

The old evap I'm resurrecting uses a tungsten 'boat', specifically
the EV31A010W model, at:

oat_EVS29000_35000.cfm?
CFID=218535&CFTOKEN=45377807&section=tsboats&init=skip

You can't beat the price - each boat is $5 or such. Peak
temperature is listed at 1800 C.

Friedrichs has
used tungsten light bulb filaments in homemade triodes etc. See
his book
Instruments of Amplification
Ohho sounds like I'll have to buy this book!

-Bill


Hans Summers
 


I suspect the problem with Tungsten might be oxidation. H P
I would think that once proper vacuum has been reached there
won't be enough o2 left to cause any appreciable wear.
True enough; I think it's quite likely that the degree of vacuum attained by
H P Friedrichs wasn't too high.

Friedrichs has used tungsten light bulb filaments in homemade triodes
etc. See his book Instruments of Amplification
Ohho sounds like I'll have to buy this book!
I can confirm it's a great read!

Hans