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Radiated EMI from displays 9
Hello, I discovered this project last Fall and this reflector even more recently. I have been reading the discussions about "Display Noise' and"SPI issues" with much interest and since my experience is a bit different I will share it here. I have built a V12 radio with RF, Main, and Front panel boards in an AI6YM chassis, using STDVer050.2 software. I originally built the radio with a TFTM070A3-5 v4.0 (7") display and immediately noticed significant amounts of noise not normally heard from a radio with the antenna disconnected. This noise was below the level of the noise coming from my antenna on bands up through 15M, but above that the radio's internal noise was higher than antenna noise. I made a simple probe from a piece of coax by removing 1 " of the shield from the end, connected the other end to my spectrum analyzer, and probed around the inside of my T41. I discovered what I believe to be a smps in the upper right corner of the rear of the display running at about 1.15 MHz. This smps exists in both the 5" and 7" displays. The 6th harmonic of this can be heard at the bottom of 40M and the 12th harmonic at the bottom of 20M; neither can be heard with my antenna connected but are very noticeable with the antenna disconnected. I discovered very high levels of EMI radiated from the middle area of the circuit card on the back of the display. The spectrum of this EMI starts in the HF band, peaks around 160 MHz and has very significant strength in the 6M and 2M bands. I then noted that the layout of the boards in my chassis places the receive input circuitry about 2" from both the smps and the display EMI source. Not good! I then clamped my coax to the chassis such that the 1" "probe" was right next to the receive RF input circuitry. I then made a simple shield/cover for the 7" display. In doing so, I discovered a few issues with the displays. First, the pads around the four mounting holes are not connected to the circuit ground, nor are they even connected to each other. On the 7" display, the four oblong, exposed, pads across the top are connected to the circuit ground, but the four across the bottom of the board are not, nor are they connected to each other. When I then measured the noise from the probe with and without the shield in place on the 7" display there was some improvement, most noticeably on the smps noise, but the noise on the upper HF bands was still higher than the noise from the antenna. I then looked at the 5" display. All four of its exposed, oblong, pads are connected to ground. I soldered small clips (from a Harmon EMI kit) to each of those four pads and made a shield to fit in those clips (see attached picture). I had to run a short wire from each clip to the closest mounting post to tie the shield to the chassis. This provided a very significant reduction in the level of noise present at the receive input circuitry. To quantify the improvement, I measured the radio's sensitivity on each band and converted that to a receive noise figure. That can be compared to the level of noise that I measure from my antenna. This data is shown and graphed in the attached Excel file. The T41 receiver is very quiet now up through 10M. 6M is much improved, but further improvement is desired. Perhaps the cable..., perhaps moving the RF board away.... 73, John W2TX
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T41 T41EEE.9 Firmware Release 5
T41EEE.9 is here: https://github.com/Greg-R/T41EEE The README has all of the details. This firmware is for the V10/V11 and T41-2 series platforms only. There were a lot of changes! There will be bugs! Please report them here. I'm expecting graphics bugs. These are hard to test for. Primary radio functionality should be less buggy. Your feedback is requested! Especially bug reports. Please let me know, good or bad, thank you! -- 73 Greg KF5N
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V11 40MHz? 3
Hello All, When I moved from V11 to V12, I did not take apart my V11 boards, or cannibalize them in any way. Now, I might have a use for them. I've been a ham since 1970, and I have a weakness for the rigs I drooled over back then and could not dream of affording. My current acquisition in that vein is a Signal/One CX7A. In 1970, this was the fanciest ham rig you could buy. It was ahead of its time, and really too expensive. The radio is big, sized for adults, lots of knobs.... Of course, time has caught up with it, and any old IC7300 will blow it out of the water, feature-wise. One big thing that any radio of that vintage lacks, is a spectrum scope and waterfall. Simply not doable with 1968 technology. The radio does an initial upconversion to 39-40MHz. There's an RCA jack on the back that outputs that signal. Just for yuks, I hooked up my T41 V12 to that output - it showed a beautiful spectrum. Waterfall & everything. Only the frequencies were backward - lowest frequency at the left, highest at the right. And no pip showing to where the radio is tuned. I'm thinking that my V11 boards could be repurposed into a spectrum scope for the Signal/One. I'd just need the Main board and the RF board and a display. I don't remember if the V11 will go that high... - Jerry, KF6VB
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T41 V12 software development path forward 20
As Jack mentioned in a recent post, I've accepted the weighty responsibility for maintaining the code for the T21 V12 radio. I've learned so much by participating in the T41 project, I'm happy to help keep this project going so others can get as much enjoyment and knowledge as I have. Here's how we're going to manage the code. Jack and Al have written a fourth and final edition of their book describing the T41 theory and operation of the T41 radio. We will maintain Version 66-9 of the code on GitHub in a state that reflects the book so that anyone buying the book in the future can download code that corresponds to the structure and features described in the book. We'll fix bugs, but not add any new features to this code. It will live here: https://github.com/KI3P/SDTVer066-9 New features and changes to the code will be hosted in a new repository on GitHub: https://github.com/KI3P/T41-V12-SDT At the moment these two repositories are identical (other than a change in the name of the sketch). Expect them to diverge over time. So what comes next? A lot of discussion in this forum over the last few years has centered around the display and the need to restructure or reformat the code to make it easier to change this code. Similarly, the changes to the hardware between V11 and V12 necessitated making many changes sprinkled through the code base. Updating the code to accommodate changing hardware becomes very challenging. Both of these issues are derived the same root cause: the software is not structured in a way that abstracts the hardware implementation. Before leaping into any major feature upgrades, I think that restructuring the code to make it more modular and hardware-portable would be a good idea. So I'm thinking a lot about how the software works and what a different architecture might look like.
Started by Oliver KI3P @ · Most recent @
Test Equipment 16
I'm looking for test equipment suggestions. I have an oscilloscope, DVM, LCR meter but need enough equipment to at least finish this T-41...doubt I will live long enough to build anything more complicated ;-) In the DSP and SDR book they mention an audio signal generator with quadrature and a spectrum analyzer. Any suggestions on models that won't break the bank but are sufficient for building, testing and tuning the T-41? Anyone advice on this signal generator, not sure if it can generate quadrature? https://www.amazon.com/Professional-Generator-Seesii-Precision-Dual-Channel/dp/B08T9H9FBY/ref=asc_df_B08T9H9FBY?mcid=b9e572b8f8e63e6fbdcf4c21c805b61f&hvocijid=15043490532578762466-B08T9H9FBY-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15043490532578762466&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002666&hvtargid=pla-2281435177858&th=1
Started by John Owens K1JO @ · Most recent @
Just a few 8
I Just a few boards left at Hamvention. When they are gone its back to mail order sales. Drop by and get what you need. Ps i also have 7 signed (by Jack and Al) third editions of the book available at a discount from the Amazon price!!! Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ¨C Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill@...
Started by K9HZ @ · Most recent @
[AmateurRadioBuilders] Just a few
And Hamvention is OVER! We had a great time¡­ in-doors this year. Sold 50 fill T41 board sets, ten 20W PAs, ten of the latest T41 books (signed/personalized editions), and many other kits. Suitcase is a lot lighter. Jack and Al were at my booth (right across from ICOM!) Friday, and Al was there on Saturday. After talking to the many many people who stopped by (Thank you!) i received good information on what folks wanted/needed next in terms of kits and upgrades to the T41. Loud and clear. So partially pre-populated boards, 100W module, Antenna tuner, and multipurpose audio board with usb that passes commands and audio (sound card). Got it! All good stuff. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ¨C Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill@...
Started by K9HZ @
New T41 Website 2
Hi everyone, I am working on a stand-alone website devoted to the T41. It will go into the history , features, some technical stuff on DSP and SDR as well as a page(s) dedicated to users' builds. If you would like you rig to be featured on the site, send me a private message along with a photo and how you would like it to be described. The site is currently under construction, but I am shooting for a general publishing time of a couple or few weeks. Look forward to seeing what you have done. Thanks, Al Peter AC8GY
Started by Albert Peter @ · Most recent @
First Contact 5
Well, after a long, arduous (my opinion!) but enjoyable journey, I finally got on the air. 10 watts, EPA into Southern Louisiana using a home brew 20M vertical dipole, thru 50' of coax. RST of 52 (I'll take that). I really wasn't sure how well my HT mic would work, but apparently it did well. V12, Ver66.9. Plenty of signals booming in, crystal clear. Mostly from down south, but one from CA. Of course most were running 1KW. Thanks everybody for the help that was provided. Mark KU3O
Started by epif18@... @ · Most recent @
RF board and BOM differences 3
I have the latest RF board from Bill and when adding the components, I noticed that C3, C14, C83, and C84 which are in the BOM do not have pads on the board...unless I missed something. Was this a hangover from the old board?
Started by John Owens K1JO @ · Most recent @
Hamvention 3
I am currently at Hamvention with a plethora of boards and kits. All set up in booth #2607 just across the floor from ICOM. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ¨C Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill@...
Started by K9HZ @ · Most recent @
FW 66.9 bug 23
Completed RX and TX IQ cal all working fine. I went into menu to change display options, as soon as menu came up it returned went back to spectrum display which was only partial display. Now it reboots on its own every few seconds and display is only partial. Locked up power cycle does not help. Tim W4YN
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Codec & ADC's 29
I recently did some ADC measurements in preparation for an update to my Audio VNA. I mention it here as I think it has some stuff of interest to the T41 project. The measurements are on-going, but as of now included the SGTL5000 (ADC side)and the PCM1808. I believe it was the T41 use of the PCM1808 that got me to look at that part---thanks. The web page for the study is https://www.janbob.com/electron/Codec/CODECTest.htm For this group, one interesting element that came out is that the PCM1808 produces 24-bit output data, but this is lost back to 16 if you input I2S via the Teensy AudioInputI2S followed by a Q15 to F32 conversion. If you do the input via AudioInputI2S_F32 of the OpenAudio_ArduinoLibrary, the F32 library, it will include all 24-bits automatically, as well as saving a conversion. Questions, comments and corrections are all appreciated. Bob W7PUA
Started by Bob Larkin @ · Most recent @
Morse Code Tutor pcb... 16
Greetings All, I don't see much mentioned lately regarding the MCT, but having recently purchased the 'Microcontroller Projects for Amateur Radio' book (via Amazon); I've decided I would like to build an MCT of my own. I've been a licensed ham since 1971 and would like to take one last(?) crack at CW. I've been searching the web for either a kit, or at the very least a PCB (as mentioned in the book) but so far haven't found anyone (in my hemisphere) currently offering one that goes with the text. I also understand that the gerbers, schematics, source code etc., have been made available in the files section and github. I just thought I'd ask before messing up square feet of perf board, whilst attempting to wire up the pieces-parts. I also considered trying to have a PCB made, but I've only ever done that once. The results were good enough, I simply don't need a handful of boards when one will suffice. :) Sorry for the ramble. Any advice...? Thanks. 73, Vern - N7GTB
Started by Vern VanZ @ · Most recent @
[FlexRadioSmartSDR] Hamvention Software Defined Radio Forum, Room #3, Saturday, 5/17 @ 4:10 pm ET
FYI for those going. Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ¨C Operator Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com email: bill@... Begin forwarded message: From: "Mark Thompson via groups.io" <wb9qzb_groups@...> Date: May 12, 2025 at 2:27:02 AM CDT To: hpsdr@... Cc: FlexRadioSmartSDR <[email protected]> Subject: [FlexRadioSmartSDR] Hamvention Software Defined Radio Forum, Room #3, Saturday, 5/17 @ 4:10 pm ET Reply-To: [email protected] ? Hamvention Software Defined Radio Forum Forum Room #3 Saturday, May 17th 4:10 - 5:00 pm ET Moderator: Steve Hicks, N5AC
Started by K9HZ @
TestMain.ico compile issues 8
I'm trying to run the TestMain code in MainBoardTestCodeAndDoc. I got a compile error as it was looking for Adafruit_MCP23X17. I installed that and now get another error from line 30 #include "si5351.h", so I installed the Adafruit Si5351 Library (version 1.4.2), but when I went to compile again it gave the same error. I see there are several other si5351 libraries, i.e. Adafruit, Etherkit Si5351, and PU2REO Si5351 ArduinoLite. Not sure if I should install one of those instead, and if so should I uninstall the Adafruit one? Compilation error: si5351.h: No such file or directory
Started by John Owens K1JO @ · Most recent @
BuyDisplay (EastRising) Display ER-TFTM070-5V4 connections 8
I've been wrestling with the datasheet for this 7" display. I checked all the jumpers and it is configured as 4-wire serial. It seems like there is a typo in the datasheet, as they have two J2 connectors, one with 10 pins and the other with 40 pins (labeled Parallel/Serial Interface and CTP (capacitive touch panel) interface. I want to double check if my assumptions are correct in the following connections to the display: Use only the first 8 pins of the 40 pin connector Pin Number (J2 AKA J3 on the device) 1 and 2 VSSGroundGND 3 and 4 VDDPower SupplyVCC 5 /SCS Serial Mode Chip Select (/CS), Low activeC/S 6 SDO 4-wire SPI Data Output (MISO)MISO 7 SDI 4-wire SPI Data Input (MOSI)MOSI 8 SCLK SPI Clock (SCLK)SCLK I've attached the datasheet. Thanks for you help.
Started by John Owens K1JO @ · Most recent @
Initial Test of Main V12.6 board 15
I'm following the Main Board build instructions. The first tests went well, i.e. 3.3 and 5v tests. On the next test, i.e. loading the i2cscan.ino, the serial monitor reported No I2C devices found. However, in another popup window, it said Press Button on Teensy to manually enter Program Mode, with i2scan.ino.hex 1% used on the status line. With the audio hat on top of the Teensy 4.1, I cannot access the "button". Should I remove the Teensy from the Main board, remove the Audio Hat, and then program the Teensy by itself first? Best regards, John K1JO
Started by John Owens K1JO @ · Most recent @
Undefined reference to. . . When compiling 4
Hi everyone. Its been a LONG time since I've done any compiling, so I don't know how to go about understanding the meaning of : undefined reference to. . . Would someone be so kind to enlighten me? Thanks, Duane - K5CA
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Boards and Kits to the UK/EU
I shipped the UK/EU T41 V12 /K9HZ /K9HZ+KI3P boards and kits order to Andy Rutter today for sales and distribution in that region. Thanks Andy! And I really appreciate everyone¡¯s patients with me in solving the shipping issues in crazy times. The tracking says the package should arrive in 4 days. Please take it easy on Andy over there as I know what it¡¯s like when boards and kits are announced for sale¡­ The emails never stop! Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J62K(J68HZ) 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ¨C Operator Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO. email: bill@...
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