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sail area

can someone confirm what the 100% jib sail area?  I saw one listing stating the sail area was 222 sq ft.  given that the total sail plan with 100% jib is 350 - 375 (seems to vary based upon source) - that would make the mains'l only 130-150 sq ft - the main seems much bigger than that...

Rick

foot blocks

#22

Have any of you all replaced the genoa sheet foot blocks?  my stbd block sheave went flying across the cockpit during a race...

let me tell you, I removed the block from the deck - not sure what someone was thinking when they installed it...one set of bolts/nuts were right above the aft most bulkhead so it was a real PITA to remove - had to actually cut away some fiberglass tabbing in order to reach the nuts...dumb...

Rick

Re: Fixed topping lift for the boom

#21

Thanks to all for the replies to my question.  For the rest of this sailing season, I'm planning on fashioning an "extender" for the topping lift where it attaches to the boom end. The extender will be deployed once the mainsail is hoisted. Hopefully, it will keep the sail from chafing, and allow the boom the correct range of motion.  Next year: rigid boom vang.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80

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Dave, some people will use a rigid boom vang like a boomkicker or a strut type... Garhauer makes a good quality strut type for fairly low cost. I use a boomkicker which works great. You shoud sail sans the topping lift as it chafes the leech of the mainsl and prevents you from getting proper leech tension.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:

Do any (of the three) of you have a fixed boom topping lift?  If so, do you remove the topping lift from the boom end while sailing?  My fixed topping lift really interferes with the upper part of the roach of my mainsail, and it seems to restrict vertical boom movement.  I would appreciate hearing about how you handle this "problem" (or is it a problem?)  By the way, I have the cruising version of the 27, with mid-boom sheeting.

Thanks.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
S2 27, hull #80

Re: Fixed topping lift for the boom

#19

I have an S2 27 with the coach top traveler and mid boom sheet angle.? I have a short line, about 12 inches long, secured to the aft end of the boom.? After raising the main sail, I move the topping lift from the boom to a loof on the end of this short extenion line.? This provides enough additional slack in the topping lift to allow free movement of the main sail roach.

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Terry Morris

S2 27 Island Express

Lake of the Ozarks

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From: uswa174
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:32:30 PM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Fixed topping lift for the boom

Do any (of the three) of you have a fixed boom topping lift? If so, do you remove the topping lift from the boom end while sailing? My fixed topping lift really interferes with the upper part of the roach of my mainsail, and it seems to restrict vertical boom movement. I would appreciate hearing about how you handle this "problem" (or is it a problem?) By the way, I have the cruising version of the 27, with mid-boom sheeting.

Thanks.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
S2 27, hull #80

Re: Fixed topping lift for the boom

#20

Dave, some people will use a rigid boom vang like a boomkicker or a strut type... Garhauer makes a good quality strut type for fairly low cost. I use a boomkicker which works great. You shoud sail sans the topping lift as it chafes the leech of the mainsl and prevents you from getting proper leech tension.

Rick

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--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

Do any (of the three) of you have a fixed boom topping lift?  If so, do you remove the topping lift from the boom end while sailing?  My fixed topping lift really interferes with the upper part of the roach of my mainsail, and it seems to restrict vertical boom movement.  I would appreciate hearing about how you handle this "problem" (or is it a problem?)  By the way, I have the cruising version of the 27, with mid-boom sheeting.

Thanks.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
S2 27, hull #80

Fixed topping lift for the boom

#18

Do any (of the three) of you have a fixed boom topping lift?  If so, do you remove the topping lift from the boom end while sailing?  My fixed topping lift really interferes with the upper part of the roach of my mainsail, and it seems to restrict vertical boom movement.  I would appreciate hearing about how you handle this "problem" (or is it a problem?)  By the way, I have the cruising version of the 27, with mid-boom sheeting.

Thanks.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
S2 27, hull #80

Re: Maximum of 85 owners, so...

#17

Possibly crossposting on related boat websites.  I did let Scott @ tiara know that I set up the site.  Maybe I'll send him the link.

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--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

how do we get to word out the the remaining ~81 that this group exists?  Suggestions?

Re: Link for yanmar manual download

#16

Excellent resource!  Thanks for posting it!

--Dave (aka scuppers)
s/v Clio

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--- In s227classassociation@..., Rick Perret <rperret@...> wrote:

Thanks,

Rick Perret

Sent from my handheld.

Maximum of 85 owners, so...

#15

how do we get to word out the the remaining ~81 that this group exists?  Suggestions?

Re: Loos gauge values? Update

#14

Thanks!  Good to know...I had no idea that the scales were different...

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Note that the settings I refer to below are for the Loos professional PT-2
Gauge, not the smaller gauge. Apparently the scales are different for these gauges

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I had my uppers at about 550-600, and lowers at about 450 or so

Some people suggest sailing in about 12 knots of wind and 15-20 degrees of heel

In those conditions the leeward upper should just be slack or have no slack at all.

The lowers will sway about 1/2 inch at most.

If you search web you'll see different rules of thumb but I do understand that tuning a rig with swept back spreaders is different than straight spreader.

Dynamic tuning is key as you want to ensure that the mast is not pumping, the masthead is not kinkednto leeward or the middle of spar is not bending...

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:

I am in the process of tuning my mast.  Anyone have reasonable Loos gauge values for the shrouds?  I have an adjustable backstay, so that's not such an issue at this point.  Thanks.

--Dave (aka scuppers)
  s/v Clio

Re: Loos gauge values? Update

#13

Note that the settings I refer to below are for the Loos professional PT-2
Gauge, not the smaller gauge. Apparently the scales are different for these gauges

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--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

I had my uppers at about 550-600, and lowers at about 450 or so

Some people suggest sailing in about 12 knots of wind and 15-20 degrees of heel

In those conditions the leeward upper should just be slack or have no slack at all.

The lowers will sway about 1/2 inch at most.

If you search web you'll see different rules of thumb but I do understand that tuning a rig with swept back spreaders is different than straight spreader.

Dynamic tuning is key as you want to ensure that the mast is not pumping, the masthead is not kinkednto leeward or the middle of spar is not bending...

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:

I am in the process of tuning my mast.  Anyone have reasonable Loos gauge values for the shrouds?  I have an adjustable backstay, so that's not such an issue at this point.  Thanks.

--Dave (aka scuppers)
  s/v Clio

Link for yanmar manual download

#12

Thanks,

Rick Perret

Sent from my handheld.

Re: Loos gauge values?

#11

I had my uppers at about 550-600, and lowers at about 450 or so

Some people suggest sailing in about 12 knots of wind and 15-20 degrees of heel

In those conditions the leeward upper should just be slack or have no slack at all.

The lowers will sway about 1/2 inch at most.

If you search web you'll see different rules of thumb but I do understand that tuning a rig with swept back spreaders is different than straight spreader.

Dynamic tuning is key as you want to ensure that the mast is not pumping, the masthead is not kinkednto leeward or the middle of spar is not bending...

Rick

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--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

I am in the process of tuning my mast.  Anyone have reasonable Loos gauge values for the shrouds?  I have an adjustable backstay, so that's not such an issue at this point.  Thanks.

--Dave (aka scuppers)
  s/v Clio

Loos gauge values?

#10

I am in the process of tuning my mast.  Anyone have reasonable Loos gauge values for the shrouds?  I have an adjustable backstay, so that's not such an issue at this point.  Thanks.

--Dave (aka scuppers)
  s/v Clio

Re: Yanmar Manual

#9

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

If interested I have a PDF copy of a yanmar service manual - had found it on a website - its a Clymer manual I believe.  If interested, email me and I will send it on (would rather do it this way rather than posting on the site)

Rick
Hi Rick,

Is this Clymer manual for the Yanmar 1GM10?  If so, I am definitely interested.

--Dave (aka scuppers)
  S/V Clio

New file uploaded to s227classassociation

[email protected]

#8

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the s227classassociation 
group.

  File        : /S2 27 Owners Manual.pdf 
  Uploaded by : uswa174 <uswa174@...> 
  Description : Owner's Manual (1987) for the S2 27 

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Re: PHRF ratings in your area and downwind sailing

#7

The S2 manual for the 27 lists a PHRF of 174 at 350 sf of sail.
I've never done any racing, so I can't comment further than that.
As for downwind & reaching, I just replaced the dead speed log yesterday...

PHRF ratings in your area and downwind sailing

#6

What kind of PHRF ratings are you getting for JAM racing?  In the long island sound area i'm assigned a 206 with the 151 #1 head sail.

also, any thoughts on getting this boat moving in light air downwind (sans spinnaker?).  in 5 knots or less of true wind - the boat is very slow on a broad reach - maybe getting low 3's thru the water.

Rick

New file uploaded to s227classassociation

[email protected]

#4

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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group.

  File        : /combine.pdf 
  Uploaded by : s227classassociation <rperret@...> 
  Description : Sail Trim material from Bill Gladstone (teaches at North U) as posted on the SFsail.com website 

You can access this file at the URL:
 
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s227classassociation <rperret@...>

Yanmar Manual

#5

If interested I have a PDF copy of a yanmar service manual - had found it on a website - its a Clymer manual I believe.  If interested, email me and I will send it on (would rather do it this way rather than posting on the site)

Rick

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