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Re: Leaks around mast?
Hi Mark,
I noticed it too. I think the shroud tang and halyard holes & sheaves can all get a little water in them depending on how it blows. I don't think there's much we can do about it short of making little bonnets and drilling more holes in the mast to hold them. Over the winter I may get an inch and a half in the bilge if I don't sponge it out on visits. Bob |
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Leaks around mast?
MarkS
Hello all. So after rain, I am noticing water in the bilge. I actually sealed off the little dividers in the bilge so I could see if it was coming from the front or rear of the boat, and it is definitely coming from the front, I'm guessing the mast. Is there any common place that it would come into them mast from? I keep a sail cover on it, so that keeps the halyard exits on the side of the mast covered. The boat also has silicone around the mast base to mast junction from the previous owner. It does not have any sealant between the mast base plate, but I have never seen water running down the outside of the mast when I'm inside the boat.
Just curious if this is a common problem and if anyone has found a good fix? Should this boat have a mast boot? Thanks in advance! |
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Re: Last Sail & Putt of the Season
April is not that far away at all! Sorry for not posting much...work has been hectic and the summer spent doing work around the house..this year wasn't much os a season for me...keep us informed of any interesting winter boat projects! i'll be posting mine shortly...
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Re: Last Sail & Putt of the Season
Mark Swart
Very cool story and mental picture. There's always something sad yet romatic about the last sail of the year.
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We're fortunate?here in Virginia?-- we have probably another month of good weather and we don't pull in the winter so if we have a freak warm day in January we can take advantage of it.
From: uswa174
To: s227classassociation@... Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 8:15 PM Subject: [s227classassociation] Last Sail & Putt of the Season ?
This past Sunday: last sail of the season on Lake Michigan for my wife and me. Light NE winds around 8-10 kts, became east; waves were less than a foot. Light, wispy fog formed along the Indiana Dunes shoreline...very spooky and Halloween-ish. Air temp was mid-70s; water temp was still about 68 F...not a cloud in the sky. Very few power boats out, but a dozen or so sailboats scattered around...the marina is now about half empty. Just a beautiful way to end the sailing season, since the boat gets hauled out for the season on Thursday (forecast: rain, of course!) We'll just see about that! Regardless, the memories of this idyllic sail with my best girl will warm and sustain me during the long winter. Today: Weather was iffy. Green blobs on the weather radar were all around. Pulled out of the slip at 8:30 AM to a light dizzle, but not the thunderstorms that were predicted. The bridge tender was awake and quite cheerful when I called her on Channel 13. Bridge went up right on que, and my trusty Yanmar 1GM10 putted along like the reliable engine it is. Just like last year, the depth at the hoist was...pretty skinny. My depth sounder alarm was annoying...I guess the 0.1 foot under the keel should have been a tip-off as to why. The mast was unstepped, and the boat was put to bed for the long winter. Although April seems far away, it will be here before I know it. Can't wait... Cheers, y'all. |
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Last Sail & Putt of the Season
This past Sunday: last sail of the season on Lake Michigan for my wife and me. Light NE winds around 8-10 kts, became east; waves were less than a foot. Light, wispy fog formed along the Indiana Dunes shoreline...very spooky and Halloween-ish. Air temp was mid-70s; water temp was still about 68 F...not a cloud in the sky. Very few power boats out, but a dozen or so sailboats scattered around...the marina is now about half empty. Just a beautiful way to end the sailing season, since the boat gets hauled out for the season on Thursday (forecast: rain, of course!) We'll just see about that!
Regardless, the memories of this idyllic sail with my best girl will warm and sustain me during the long winter. Today: Weather was iffy. Green blobs on the weather radar were all around. Pulled out of the slip at 8:30 AM to a light dizzle, but not the thunderstorms that were predicted. The bridge tender was awake and quite cheerful when I called her on Channel 13. Bridge went up right on que, and my trusty Yanmar 1GM10 putted along like the reliable engine it is. Just like last year, the depth at the hoist was...pretty skinny. My depth sounder alarm was annoying...I guess the 0.1 foot under the keel should have been a tip-off as to why. The mast was unstepped, and the boat was put to bed for the long winter. Although April seems far away, it will be here before I know it. Can't wait... Cheers, y'all. |
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Re: S2 27 Used Sails Available at bargain prices.
maajique
Only The Air Force Mylar sail is left now.
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Jim --- In s227classassociation@..., "maajique" <maajique@...> wrote:
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Re: Rudder bushings
maajique
Try Thomson Nyliner Bushings part number 10 L 10. You can get them at Applied Industrial Supply
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S2 27 Used Sails Available at bargain prices.
maajique
I have 3 sails for an S2 27. My wife says they have to go so she can get her car in the garage.
Air Force 155% Mylar Genoa $100 + Shipping Fair Condition, 10 years old, Original cost was $1373.00 Hank on Mylar sail with Telltale Window, 2 draft stripes, Foot and Leach cords. Has 4 repairs. Good for cruising around in lighter air. North 155% Genoa of 5 Oz. Norlam Material. $200 + Shipping Good Condition, 6 years old. Original cost was $1850 This was cut to take maximum advantage of PHRF rules Hank on sail Has 2 draft stripes, Leach and foot cords, there are two repairs on this sail and it is reinforced where it touches the spreader and the stanchion. A very sturdy sail good for club racing or cruising. Mariner main sail. $150 Plus Shipping Very Good Condition, unknown age and cost. No repairs, but a few stains from mud daubers. It has two reef points, leach cord, slugs for the mast and the boom. This is a very well built sail and good for off shore racing and heavy winds. I replaced it with a North main that was built to take advantage of PHRF rules. Comes with a North Sail bag but it is not a North Sail. I don't have the battens for this sail but they are not expensive. All sails are marked with the S2 27 Logo and My Hull Number (which is easy to remove) Could be used for S2 7.9 or 8.0 with some modifications. Pictures are shown in the photo gallery. Contact me to purchase or for more information. |
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Re: Mast bend
maajique
You do not really bend the mast as much as you put tension on the headstay. The harder it blows, the more tension you will want. How much is best expressed in terms of headstay sag. If you ran your Spinnaker halyad down to the tack of the jib and tensioned it tight then you could estimate the headstay sag by looking at the distance between the spinnaker halyard and the jib luff.
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No matter how hard you crank down on the backstay there will be some headstay sag in heavy air. If you could get into the 4 to 6 in range you would have a pretty flat jib. If you are way off from that, time to put up a smaller jib. A flatter Genoa gives you less drag and less weather helm because you are moving the center of sail driving force forward. On boats with bendy masts (fractional rigs) you are also moving the center of sail driving force forward on the main by bending the mast and flattening the main when you tension the backstay. Because we have a sturdy mast and a masthead rig, we are not going to get that same kind of mast bend on the S2 27. Jim --- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:
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Rudder bushings
MarkS
Hello everyone. I just finished moving my boat from St Mary's MD to her new home here in Hampton, Va. It was about an 80 mile trip and over the course of three days we had almost every condition imaginable, ending with us beating the last 20 miles into 20+ mph winds and 4-5 foot seas. All in all the boat did excellent and I was very happy with her sailing abilities and the speed we made.
One thing that was an issue were the bushings for the rudder -- the upper and lower ones were both clanking. I have seen in previous discussions (I can't remember where) that there are bronze replacements available. I was just curious if anyone can remember offhand who the vendor is? Thanks! -Mark |
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Mast bend
Question - how much mast bend do you guys typically put when cranking down on the back stay? with the back stay off, it has a slight aft bend (induced by the spreaders of course), when i crank down on it it the mast head goes about 1/2 or more the length (fore aft measurement of the mast profile) most of the bend is induced north of the spreaders up to the mast head. curious if your mast behaves the same way.
finally, i am thinking of redesigning the mast partners - i use the infamous red silicone rubber ring - but wondered if anyone had any more affordable options oter than spartite. i tried sourcing similar rubber but I don't know the durometer spec of the silicone rubber - plus this stuff is pricey... |
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Re: good luck to all east coast members....
Mark Swart
Thanks Bob, I'll follow up on the gelcoat match. It rubbed through the aluminum outer vertical portion and horizontal part, but not through the part that sticks up with the cutouts in it. It did not make a hole completely into the boat (you can't poke your finger in or anything). But it is through the glass and into the coring. It should be easy enough to clean, tape off and refill the damage area with west system, then do the gel coat patch. The real tricky part will be figuring out a way to repair the metal portion. I looked on the 7.9 page and it looks like a few years ago there was a guy who had fabricated new toe rails, but all of his contact info is bad. Since it didn't get all the way through, I might also be able to get a new piece of aluminum welded in
where it was rubbed away. Or maybe epoxy it in myself, then fair it and paint it all back black. Once I get the glass part fixed, I can take my time to figure out the aluminum. Yeah, it could always have been worse. As is, we still plan to sail her back to my home port next week. From: Bob Taylor To: s227classassociation@... Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:00 PM Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: good luck to all east coast members....
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Sorry to hear about the damage, Mark.
Could have been worse, but who needs to hear that... I used a gel coat repair kit from Mini-craft of Florida when I did some patch work on my hull. I believe they supplied S2 with the original product and were referenced in the S2 Letter to Owners. It's a pretty good match, allowing for 25 years of sun and weather. (I can still see a slight difference 2 years after the fact, but hey, there's bigger things to fix before I get that picky.) Did it penetrate the hull completely? I used Balsa and biaxial glass from Jamestown Dist. and West System resin for the structural stuff. Bob |
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Re: good luck to all east coast members....
Sorry to hear about the damage, Mark.
Could have been worse, but who needs to hear that... I used a gel coat repair kit from Mini-craft of Florida when I did some patch work on my hull. I believe they supplied S2 with the original product and were referenced in the S2 Letter to Owners. It's a pretty good match, allowing for 25 years of sun and weather. (I can still see a slight difference 2 years after the fact, but hey, there's bigger things to fix before I get that picky.) Did it penetrate the hull completely? I used Balsa and biaxial glass from Jamestown Dist. and West System resin for the structural stuff. Bob |
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Re: good luck to all east coast members....
MarkS
Well, it got my boat in St Mary's MD. They were pretty much in the worst of it and got some winds around 70 for extended periods.
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Boat stretched her lines and got into a piling. Rubbed through the outside edge of the toe rail on the starboard side a little forward of the mast, looks like the total damage area is about six inches long and a few inches down the hull. Not enough to justify paying my deductible for an insurance claim, just something I'll have to fix. Grrrr. --- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@...> wrote:
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Re: good luck to all east coast members....
Mark Swart
My boat is sitting in St Mary's Maryland, on the Potomac. I have my fingers crossed and insurance policy is good to go -- but I haven't even gotten to sail her yet!! Still it's probably safer there than it would be down here where I live near Norfolk. Good luck to you all too! From: s227classassociation To: s227classassociation@... Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 PM Subject: [s227classassociation] good luck to all east coast members....
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being in connecticut..we're gonna get hit hard too - not as bad as NC...
good luck in preparing home and boat. stay safe. |
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Generic parts for 1GM
MarkS
As I prepare to move my boat about 80 miles from it's current home to my marina, I've been picking up a few spares for the engine (impeller, belt, fuel filters).
I was curious to know if anyone had cross referenced any of these with parts available at auto parts stores? I doubt the impeller would cross over but I'd think the filter and belt might. |
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New file uploaded to s227classassociation
Hello,
This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the s227classassociation group. File : /1985 S2 27 brochure.pdf Uploaded by : mark_swart <mark_swart@...> Description : This was sent to me by my friend who has Hull 17 You can access this file at the URL: To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: Regards, mark_swart <mark_swart@...> |
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