For those that are interested, my son and??I managed to motor/sail the boat
across the lake from St. Joe, Michigan to Wilmette in under 10 hours.

The day and one-half at the yard before our sail was frustrating at best. Lots
of things did not get done but the engine tech did drain the Raycor and found no
water but could not replace the filter(no parts)-even though??yard manager??said
it would be done. Same for replacing the fuel, but at least the tech dipped the
tank and found clean, clear fuel with almost perfect color. He ran the engine
for about 1 1/2 hours and it ran well and started easily. The engine filter was
replaced with a Napa filter, the old filter was very clean.
Several things saved me from fuel problems, the prior owner filled the tank and
went to a marina that used "premium" fuel with ValveTech that includes a
biocide. The Raycor is way over sized with a capacity of 1/2 gal. per minute.
The fuel was high quality to start and the filter kept it that way.

The engine tech at Harbor Isle is named Alvarez and is recommended. He knows
Yanmar and replaced the control panel and starter switch(The parts came from
Crowley's) and thoroughly checked out the engine for me. He did a great job.
The sail started out at 12:45 in time for the first bridge and we cleared the
breakwater at about 1:20. The day was beautiful but with light winds from the
NE, so we raised sail and kept the engine going, our speed was barely??2 knots,
the motor got us easily up to 5 1/2-6 knots and for the most part it was fast
and easy-the winds picked up toward the middle of the lake and by the end of the
trip we were surfing down the swells at 7 1/4 or better as indicated on the GPS.
The boat handled very well and gave you??solid confidence-at least nothing broke
underway. The running rigging will be replaced soon-it is really old.
Even though we had a real wind shift about 2/3 across the lake we were able to
use the sails and the engine at the same time and the combination was very
additive, we really moved. I used Sailflow.com and Noaa 7 day forecasts to plan
the trip. We know that luck was with us, planning helps and the bright lights of
the Wilmette beach sure helped bring us home from many miles out. BTW, the
middle of the lake at night with a 20 knot breeze is really cold, I brought lots
of clothing and ended up wearing almost everything??I owned. It also helps to
have a strong confident 25 year old son to do the last leg when you get cold and
tired.
Have a great sailing Summer.
Allen.
??
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From: AllenJ. Hinkelman <allenhinkelman@...>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Tue, June 14, 2011 8:39:33 PM
Subject: Re: [s227classassociation] Re: Misc. Boat questions

I am still working on it. After talking to many people,??I have decided to pump
out the old fuel and replace both filters. The yard said that it started up with
no problems but then they??proceded to break the ignition switch and kill the
batteries! More this weekend, I hope to have it all sorted out and take it
across the lake to Wilmette this weekend. Hope all goes well,??I will let you
know. Regards, Allen.




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From: s227classassociation <rperret@...>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 7:31:06 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: Misc. Boat questions

??
Allen - how is your tank/fuel situation?

--- In s227classassociation@..., "allenhinkelman@"
<allenhinkelman@> wrote:

I am a proud owner of a new to me 27 that I have in storage about 150 miles
away and need some info/suggestions before I start to work on it.

The prior owner had the fuel tank filled prior to storage. It has been out of
the water two years. One year outside, one inside. What should I do with the
fuel and should I attempt to clean out the tank, if so, how? It also has a
filer, a Raycor, I think.

It has been suggested that I recycle the fuel and attempt to clean the tank
with a brush and them wash it out with fresh fuel. Then and only then, fill it
with fresh fuel. No fuel treatment was used when they winterized the boat. Any
suggestions and where can I find a suitable brush that will fit in the filler
pipe? It was also suggested that I take the Raycor off the boat to a garage with
a parts washer and have it throughly cleaned out. New filter insert, of course.
Any suggestions, experience, notable problems/issues/cautions?
Does anyone know the make and size of the filler fitting, I want to get new "O"
rings to keep things as clean as possible and keep water out. The boat is a 1986
with a floor mount fuel filler.
Thanks1 Allen.

Dave - i have the A model of course - so giving you my uninformed opinion....

1) did you clean the boat with some stuff? maybe it is residual?
2) does the icebox drain in the bilge - any foul stuff in there?
3) stuffing box?
4) leaky aft keel bolt?
5) water tank?

Your hypothesis might be correct - 15 degree off level seems like a lot - but then again in any decent seaway under sail, you'd be hobby horsing 10-15%.

Regarding the cabin sole they must be screwed in - in looking at this photo:



if you took off the boards that go up the pan liner where the seating area is located, you might see some access screws for the cabin sole. so hopefully no sawzall.

btw - i really love the B model layout. it is much more practical (with the nav station, etc), and the interior is much nicer looking...

good luck!

Rick


--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:

All season so far, I have had a "mystery goo" ooze down into the bilge from the aft end of the boat. The goo seems to be a mix of diesel, motor oil, and water. Definitely has a diesel/oily smell, is pinkish-yellow, and it doesn't mix with water. I get maybe a half cup or so over the course of a week. I cannot find ANY leaks from the engine or fuel tank. In fact, the area under the raw-water cooled 1GM10 engine is clean and dry, as are the aft cockpit lazarettes.

The only explanation I can come up with is that there is a pool of this goo in a bilge compartment under the non-removable floorboards that are aft of the accessible bilge (that is, forward of the steps and left of the head door), and that it's been there since I bought the boat in 2008. When I launched this spring, the yard lifted my boat a bit by the stern first. I'd say that the boat was about 10-15 degrees up by the stern before they leveled out the lift. Perhaps when the yard lifted the boat, the goo sloshed out of the bilge compartment that had contained it, and is now oozing down into the bilge. What do you all think of this hypothesis?

This issue is the reason for my previous post asking whether there are other model "B" owners in this Yahoo group. Our bilge configuration is different from the earlier boats (see bilge photos in the Photo section), but I am uncertain what's under the floorboards. I don't want to take a Sawzall to the floorboards to find out.

Thanks.

Hi Erick,

Welcome to the group. The first S2 27 I ever saw was in New Hampshire.
It was being rebuilt near Newmarket about 4 years ago. I couldn't make a
deal with that owner and started looking around closer to home.

The Yanmar 1GM10 can push my boat at about 5 knots. If that's enough for
your river currents it has to be cheaper to replace the starter &
alternator than buy a new, more powerful outboard and the mounting
brackets, plus installation that you'll need.

In my humble opinion,

Bob

All season so far, I have had a "mystery goo" ooze down into the bilge from the aft end of the boat. The goo seems to be a mix of diesel, motor oil, and water. Definitely has a diesel/oily smell, is pinkish-yellow, and it doesn't mix with water. I get maybe a half cup or so over the course of a week. I cannot find ANY leaks from the engine or fuel tank. In fact, the area under the raw-water cooled 1GM10 engine is clean and dry, as are the aft cockpit lazarettes.

The only explanation I can come up with is that there is a pool of this goo in a bilge compartment under the non-removable floorboards that are aft of the accessible bilge (that is, forward of the steps and left of the head door), and that it's been there since I bought the boat in 2008. When I launched this spring, the yard lifted my boat a bit by the stern first. I'd say that the boat was about 10-15 degrees up by the stern before they leveled out the lift. Perhaps when the yard lifted the boat, the goo sloshed out of the bilge compartment that had contained it, and is now oozing down into the bilge. What do you all think of this hypothesis?

This issue is the reason for my previous post asking whether there are other model "B" owners in this Yahoo group. Our bilge configuration is different from the earlier boats (see bilge photos in the Photo section), but I am uncertain what's under the floorboards. I don't want to take a Sawzall to the floorboards to find out.

Thanks.

There was an s2 27 for sale on ebay I posted the last bid but never heard back. The boat is in or near La Salle Mi. Paveglio was name on the ad. I've tried for several days to find them by ph. and ebay. does any body know of this boat and the seller ? I want to get in to the s2 27 class. I now own a s2 7.9 but for strictly racing.

I am a proud owner of a new to me 27 that I have in storage about 150 miles away and need some info/suggestions before I start to work on it.
The prior owner had the fuel tank filled prior to storage. It has been out of the water two years. One year outside, one inside. What should I do with the fuel and should I attempt to clean out the tank, if so, how? It also has a filer, a Raycor, I think.
It has been suggested that I recycle the fuel and attempt to clean the tank with a brush and them wash it out with fresh fuel. Then and only then, fill it with fresh fuel. No fuel treatment was used when they winterized the boat. Any suggestions and where can I find a suitable brush that will fit in the filler pipe? It was also suggested that I take the Raycor off the boat to a garage with a parts washer and have it throughly cleaned out. New filter insert, of course.
Any suggestions, experience, notable problems/issues/cautions?
Does anyone know the make and size of the filler fitting, I want to get new "O" rings to keep things as clean as possible and keep water out. The boat is a 1986 with a floor mount fuel filler.
Thanks1 Allen.

Mark,

My asymm spinn set-up is the same as Bob's. If you want to get the block out forward of the headstay, you might want to look into Rig-Rite's spinnaker bails and cranes. They will certainly take any load, since they are purpose built. Link here:



Hope this helps.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80 (model "B")


--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@> wrote:

My mast has two forward facing sheaves. Port side has the genoa halyard
on it. I fly the asymmetric spin on the starboard sheave. I dropped it
on a starboard tack last week with no problems. Was running pretty deep
and the wind had just about died, but no hangups.
Have a photo of the masthead?

Bob

My mast has two forward facing sheaves. Port side has the genoa halyard
on it. I fly the asymmetric spin on the starboard sheave. I dropped it
on a starboard tack last week with no problems. Was running pretty deep
and the wind had just about died, but no hangups.
Have a photo of the masthead?

Bob

----- Original Message -----

From: uswa174

To: s227classassociation@...

Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 9:02 AM

Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: Mainsheet rigging: Cruising Version

?

Hi Mark,

Does your 4 part mainsheet have a Harken hexarachet with the integral camcleat? As an old dinghy/Hobie sailor, I can see that this might work really well.

--Dave S.

--- In s227classassociation@..., "Mark" wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I replaced the traveler with a Harken and use a 4 part main sheet with cam
> and rarely need to use the winch. I never liked the factory set up either.
> I also mounted a large folding padeye on the deck directly under the end of
> the boom that I can use when single handing in heavy air. It works well but
> needs a lot of vang downwind where the mid traveler doesn't allow much boom
> lift.
>
> Mark
> Nashville
> S2-27 # 15
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: uswa174
> To: s227classassociation@...
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: [s227classassociation] Mainsheet rigging: Cruising Version
>
>
>
> For those of you with the cruising version (traveler on the coachroof):
> got any pics of the mainsheet, and how it's run? Do all of you have the
> funky cheek block on the starboard coachroof? If so, how fair is the lead to
> the cheek block? If you have this system, I think you know what I am
> referring to. The lead is not fair at all, particularly on port tack with
> the traveller down to leeward.
>
> See pic here -- page 3:
>
>
> And here -- page 2:
>
>
> I am thinking of adding a fiddle block to the traveler this year,
> replacing the single block on the traveller. That should fair up the lead to
> the cheek block, particularly on port tack with the traveller let out to
> leeeward (starboard).
>
> Comments? (or have I had this rigged incorrectly all this time????)
>
> Dave S.
> s/v Clio
> 1987 S2 27, hull #80 (model "B")
>