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Thank you Mac. Appreciate the update and
options. I'm new to the R90SWORLDNET Group since about Jan of
2023.
Don't recall seeing your email on this subject? I think it's a
GREAT SITE and GROUP of R90S owners.
I would be willing to pay to keep it running ie. data charges etc.
However, if you feel VBMW is the better way to go - I'll
also do that. I am already subscribed to it and it is also a
wealth of knowledge. I just liked the international appeal of
R90SWORLDNET, as you hear from R90S owners all over the planet.
Just my 2 cents.
Best Regards,
Peter G./ San Diego
1973 BMW R90S
On 8/10/2023 3:34 PM, OLD BMWS via
groups.io wrote:
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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 06:05:07 PM EDT, Mac
Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@...> wrote:
All
R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the
R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago,
truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in
there for so long), I was contacted recently by
the host of our group, io, who told me it would
cost $20 per month to continue to support our
group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our
emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen
beyond the free threshold, and from now on more
data than this threshold will mean data will be
automatically deleted.
I posted to the
R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from
the R90sWorldnet members but only received one
response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday
and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year
to keep things going as they are, thank you James,
that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is
right for James to do that and I am unwilling to
pay myself, for several reasons:
No one else sent me
any thoughts about this which?infers there?is
little/no interest in saving member data, or you
don't know what to suggest to do about it.
and
There is a better
alternative which is as follows:?
The Vintage BMW
Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have
worked with and for this group for many years and
am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.)
Ha...
If you go to the
VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find
an immense amount of information; we host Bob
(Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well
as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a
buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers
out), all the club magazines are digitized,
readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can
see tons of information such as the owner's
manuals (some in both English & German),
repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil
routing, videos, model information such as VIN
range and...
The Forums, where
model ranges are presented so members can ask
questions from the experts. *Including* the area
called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as
the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's
history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you
this? Because I feel this is a better alternative
since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability
available, so *it will store everything*, from all
emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S
members will post.?
AND it is all
searchable!
We
think we can move all the data from the
R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums,
the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the
VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we
do have mounting costs) and you will receive our
quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
Or
You can join for
free, in which case you won't receive the magazine
or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to
keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this
the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then
have a better alternative and there is no sense in
having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your
thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks,
and
Thanks again to James
Marciano for taking the initiative to look into
this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to
hearing
from you,
Best,
Mac
Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore,
PA
"After
all, what is
adventure, but
inconvenience,
properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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Thanks David for your input.
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
I'm a member of both and have no issues moving everything to VBMWMO.? Seems like a no brainer to me.??
David B
Hi Mac,
Thanks for your efforts.? I just signed up for a three year membership. Lars Hens Orinda, CA ? All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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Denny, I suggest everyone go to the Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners site and do a trial run, so click here
Then click on Forums in the top line which will take you here
Scroll down to, ta-dah, "The Incomparable?R90S"? and you will see all the current subjects.? Pick one that interests you. Or? click on the red lettered "New Topic" and write what you want to talk or ask about. Or, in the upper left click on Search and do a search in the R90S forum. Or go up to the line that starts with Home on the left, then come right to "Knowledge Base" where a drop down will present sites we have preserved, such as Snowbum's?site, or John's Beemer Garage, or Genealogy Graph which is magic as it allows you to pick out, say all the one cylinder models, or do a VIN search of your VIN, or many other?options. Or click on "Magazines" to see all the VBMWMO magazines from the last 50 years, and they are all searchable by subject.
Just go for a cruise around the site, click on everything to see what magic appears!! as there are thousands of things to see and view.
Let me know if I can help further, AND let me know if you have any suggestions for improvement, OR if you own something?that should be added to the site!! We can scan anything and add it to the site, OR anyone can add their own pictures and descriptions of anything by starting a "New Topic" which is Red on the left,?after you open The Forums and click on.
"We" have (actually James Wonder, our VP) has put a huge amount of work into making this site a success.
*Please* spread the word about how great it is??
Best,?
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
Hi Mac Thanks for this update. What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO?? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models? Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response. Thanks, Denny
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05?PM Mac Kirkpatrick < drbeemer73@...> wrote: All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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I'm a member of both and have no issues moving everything to VBMWMO.? Seems like a no brainer to me.??
David B
Hi Mac,
Thanks for your efforts.? I just signed up for a three year membership. Lars Hens Orinda, CA ? All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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Hi Mac,
Thanks for your efforts. ?I just signed up for a three year membership. Lars Hens Orinda, CA
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On Aug 10, 2023, at 3:05 PM, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@...> wrote:
? All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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See it for yourself:?
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?
In order to be able to join the community chat, you need a login, which is free.? Go here to get a free account (if you decide later to join the club, you can upgrade):?
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On Behalf Of Dennis Grossman via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2023 3:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [R90SWORLDNET] Proposal to the Members of the R90sWorldnet
?
Hi Mac
What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO?? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials?
Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models?
Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response.
?
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05?PM Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@...> wrote:
All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host
of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold
will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered
to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons:
No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it.
There is a better alternative which is as follows:?
The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah
?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer
Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair
manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and...
The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model
is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails,
to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.?
AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join
the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer).
You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking
forward?to hearing from you,
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 06:05:07 PM EDT, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@...> wrote:
All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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Hi, Mac:
We've met but once, when you hosted the ?th and last reunion.
We face a quandary with a simple solution.
The venerable R90S has so few owners around the world it's hard to imagine that our association could exist without financial support, and I'm grateful for all your work in keeping it going.? I'm pleased to own an icon of cycle history, and have no plans to change horses.
My thought is that a movement of all our data, for what it's worth, to the new site is the way to go,? We'll all have to subscribe to stay connected, but we'll have access to what appears to be a much richer site.
Thanks for your years of interest and service.
James Wiseman
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Burlington, IA 52601
319-750-4199
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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 05:05:07 PM CDT, Mac Kirkpatrick <drbeemer73@...> wrote:
All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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Hi Mac Thanks for this update. What are the downsides of moving this forum and associated materials to VBMWMO?? Would there be additional navigation to get to the R90S communications and associated materials? Would one be able to have the same ease of posting and communications with other R90S enthusiasts, or would one need to wade through communications with enthusiasts of all the other vintage BMW models? Let us know more about the pros and cons so we can provide an informed response. Thanks, Denny
On Thu, Aug 10, 2023 at 3:05?PM Mac Kirkpatrick < drbeemer73@...> wrote: All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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All R90sWorldnet members:
As the owner of the R90sWorldnet (I started it maybe 20-25 years ago, truly amazing and gratifying you guys have hung in there for so long), I was contacted recently by the host of our group, io, who told me it would cost $20 per month to continue to support our group IF we wanted io to continue to store all our emails, pictures, etc., as our volume has risen beyond the free threshold, and from now on more data than this threshold will mean data will be automatically deleted.
I posted to the R90sWorldnet asking for feedback about this from the R90sWorldnet members but only received one response, from James Marciano. We spoke yesterday and he offered to pay the $240/year for one year to keep things going as they are, thank you James, that is very gracious of you!
I don't feel it is right for James to do that and I am unwilling to pay myself, for several reasons: No one else sent me any thoughts about this which?infers there?is little/no interest in saving member data, or you don't know what to suggest to do about it. and There is a better alternative which is as follows:? The Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners, see
(Upfront: I have worked with and for this group for many years and am currently the president,?the Grand Pu-bah ?.) Ha...
If you go to the VBMWMO site above, and cruise around you will find an immense amount of information; we host Bob (Snowbum) Fleischer's site for instance, as well as John's Beemer Garage and more), there is a buy/sell area (members only, to keep spammers out), all the club magazines are digitized, readable and searchable for all 50 years, you can see tons of information such as the owner's manuals (some in both English & German), repair manuals, electrical diagrams, engine oil routing, videos, model information such as VIN range and... The Forums, where model ranges are presented so members can ask questions from the experts. *Including* the area called "The Incomparable R90S" which I added as the R90S model is pivotal and crucial in BMW's history. And like you, I really love the R90S.
Why am I telling you this? Because I feel this is a better alternative since the VBMWMO has unlimited storage capability available, so *it will store everything*, from all emails, to all pictures, just everything us R90S members will post.? AND it is all searchable!
We think we can move all the data from the R90sWorldnet to the VBMWMO site under Forums, the Incomparable R90S :-) so that is good.
You can join the VBMWMO?as a paying member (preferred, we do have mounting costs) and you will receive our quarterly magazine (digital if you prefer). Or You can join for free, in which case you won't receive the magazine or have access to the Buy/Sell area (again, to keep out spammers, they won't pay to join.)
If we do this the?R90sWorldnet?will go away because we will then have a better alternative and there is no sense in having duplicate?venues.
Please send me your thoughts,?ideas, suggestions, anything at all.?
Thanks, and Thanks again to James Marciano for taking the initiative to look into this and contact me about it.
I'm looking forward?to hearing from you,
Best,
Mac Kirkpatrick Glenmoore, PA
"After all, what is adventure, but inconvenience, properly regarded?"
C. Donahue
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On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 05:50 PM, Dennis Grossman wrote:
... trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.?
... comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes.
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Dennis, if you are doing paved roads then, in my opinion from riding the GS, RS, and RT models, the only reason to run a GS is if you are 6' or taller and don't want to adjust an RS or RT with aftermarket pegs and bars. Otherwise, the RS provides better weather protection than the GS?and the RT is far superior to both. That is both in cold and hot weather. I've ridden a GS for a few thousand miles in mountains with sub-50F mornings and 104F+ afternoons. I really wished I'd used my RT for that trip.
Any of the water-cooled RS/RT models will be the most mainenance-free and capable rides you could pick. Less issues and less work than pre-2013 GS or 2014 RS/RT. I've owned a 2014 R1200RT and a 2019 R1250RT. Either would be perfect for my sub-6' frame in the situations you describe. There are plenty of older ones available, but the price savings, increased maintenance schedules, etc., don't warrant looking older in my opinion unless you want to stay with an Airhead. If that were the case, I'd be inclined to look at the last generation R100RS or RT. I've got a 1983 R100RS and a 1986 R80RT, both are great bikes but for two-up riding with luggage, my lazy self would take my 2019 R1250RT (or my 2014 R1200RT if I still had it) and relax and "smell the roses". In 2019 when I bought the R1250RT I put over 6,000 miles on it in approximately 5-weeks of riding, mostly through the?Appalachian?Mountains from Nova Scotia down to Birmingham, AL and back. It was always a joy to get on and ride in all kinds of weather. Gave great fuel economy when ridden frugally or even reasonably, and it hustled like an RS when trying to outruns a hurricane that I spent three days avoiding. Don't be put off by the weight difference between the GS, RS, and RT. When each is outfitted for doing two-up touring, and carrying the same fuel load, there isn't a huge difference in their total weight, and most of that is improved weather protection. Having said all that, the best bike is the one you're most comfortable with. I've done a 5,000 mile road trip on a '73 Norton 850 Commando, a couple thousand on a Suzuki GS750, several thousand on a H-D StreetGlide, etc., and been fine with them all. However, if I were doing a 1,000 mile two-up run tomorrow and had to buy a bike today for it, then I'd be looking for a 2014+ RT. YMMV
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I have the '75 R90S, '85 K100 (owned since 1987), and 2007 1200 GSA.... I'd take the GSA for comfort, safety and packing options.
I own all three model year R90S bikes and bought a 2010 R1200GS for two up riding because of the comfort and safety it provides.?
Hi Group I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to. My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.? I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes. Thanks in advance, Denny
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I own all three model year R90S bikes and bought a 2010 R1200GS for two up riding because of the comfort and safety it provides.?
Hi Group I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to. My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.? I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes. Thanks in advance, Denny
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Denny ? Looking at it from a different point and using this example. Over here, February is the hottest month of the year. I have been attending the same event since 1978 in absolutely glorious sunshine and annoying rain. The run is a round trip of 1521 miles from home. The run consists of boring straight freeways, plain secondary flat open road with high speed wide sweepers, an absolutely delightful 30 mile tight winding mountain roads and a further twisting open and tight 90 mile mountain road. ? Over this period of time bikes ridden were my R90S, R65LS, K100RS and K1100RS. All the bikes were packed with tents and beer to survive 4 days out in the bush. All bikes satisfactorily did the run without any issues. However being loaded with luggage and consistently averaging 85mph the water cooled K’s were definitely less stressed in such a hot climate. The hottest run was at 118F during the day and 95F just after midnight. ? You’re going on a long run facing mountains, acceleration and braking whilst carrying pillion, panniers and luggage. Any engine will have its work cut out for the run. I will not tell you which bike to bye/use, just think of mechanical sympathy. ? And don’t forget the bloody postcards. ? Cheers mate Frank Down Under ?
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Subject: [R90SWORLDNET] Recommendations for Touring ? I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to. My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.? I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes.
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I have a current R1250RS and have found it to be a wonderful sport tourer.? If you are happy with the bikini fairing on the R90S, the smallish screen on the RS will be familiar.? The modern brakes
and powerful motor make a current bike easy to like, and it handles really well.? Also, the modern saddlebags don’t come open on their own.? I routinely get 50mpg on the RS, while my R90S can drop under 40mpg if I’m having a bit of fun.? I have a 29” inseam,
and yet I can flatfoot the RS.?
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On the downside, all of the 1250s are heavier than the R90S, and the RS is harder to get up on the centerstand.?
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I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to.
My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.?
I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes.
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Dennis, we regularly enjoy traveling on our 2009 R1200GS. It is my personal preference to not buy another BMW motorcycle. Our 1200GS and R90s have more miles and years in their future than we do. Harold
Hi Group I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to. My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.? I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes. Thanks in advance, Denny
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Hi Group I realize this is a little off base to pure R90S discussion, but cannot think of a better group to pose this question to. My wife and I are looking to do some longer trips than we usually take with the R90S, and I am trying to decide which BMW models would be best for these rides. We like back roads along and live on the West Coast with mountains and coasts.? I would love to hear the group thoughts regarding the best models?that would be comfortable for 2-up riding over longer trips and varied landscapes. Thanks in advance, Denny
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