After enjoying the Recent R90 S rally at Mac's, I dug out my copy of
Alexander Dumas Print titled 'R90/S 1973" 60/100 and promptly hung it up.
(no not in the family room)
This Print is reportedly the second of a series.

Anyone know who commissioned the drawing ? (a fine pencil/pen profile of the
left side of the bike.
Also what was the first print in this series.
The gallery, Rainkin Motorcycle Interest or ANNAE in Knoxville has no current
phone listing.
Thanks
Bruce Kramer

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Bruce: You and I are the only two members in the R90sWORLDNET "Club" so far.
I just started this venture about two hours ago. Glad you decided to join.

BTW the picture of the S from the Rally was mailed out about one hour ago so
you should see it very soon.

If you send an email to R90SWORLDNET@... (now that you are a
member) you will be sending an email to every member of the group all at
once. Neat, huh? That's the whole idea too. To make it easy to converse
about R90s stuff.

Save that email address in your addresses.

This should be fun!!!!

See you.


Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

Bruce: Unfortunately you and I are the only two R90s members of this list so
far so your message only went to me and you.
BUT this is exactly what the list is for.

And many more will join. It will be fun.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

Well there are three of us now. Mac, Bruce and Carolla.

And this list only just started about 3 hours ago!
And more will join for sure.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

it's always nice to get in early...
__________________________________
Carolla Zap
Blue Rider Design Studio
tel: ?412.434.7910
http://www.blueriderdesign.com

creating and connecting without boundaries

Mac , I'll repost next week when you have a 1000 members.

Bruce

Mac, pic is super. it needs a gold foil title for that "limited edition" look.

thanks again ...envelope in tonights mail to help requite the rally expenses.
I'm in favor of a reunion of the "first and last" rally next year
bk

except that i missed being in it!
great job- i'm looking forward to next year...
__________________________________
Carolla Zap
Blue Rider Design Studio
tel: ?412.434.7910
http://www.blueriderdesign.com

creating and connecting without boundaries

From: <HBKRAMER@...

I'm in favor of a reunion of the "first and last" rally next year
bk



There has been talk of another Rally next year and I am willing to host it
again, but perhaps it would be nice to have it somewhere else in the country
so others could attend easily. I am told that others have expressed an
interest in doing another Rally themselves.
We'll have to see how things turn out.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

Hello R90s Fans!!!
Some of you are being sent this email as a courtesy to encourage you to join
this list as you are avid R90s collectors or have expressed an interest in
owning an R90s. You know who you are!!! Hi Ted, Ken, Marvin, Bill, Ronnie,
Darrell and Brad and Kathy!!!

Please go to www.egroups.com and join the R90sWORLDNET@... list to
become a member of this "R90s only" list. Search under Recreation
and then Motorcycle and request to join. Add the email address
R90SWorldnet@... to your address book and join in by asking
questions and offering help.
We would love to have you as members.

And EVERYONE.....Please tell other R90s enthusiasts about this list, the
more the merrier and the better it will get.


Now Some News:

We have a total of 9 R90SWORLDNET members to date. Pretty good for
only having started two days ago, I think.

Some limited news about some of our members follows. I don't know much
about
some of you yet so please don't be offended if I omit something or say
something incorrectly. But please correct me!!!
And tell us about yourself soon.

Just so you know Rick Griffith the current Pres of the R90s Club here in
the US
has been handling R90s
technical questions by himself and has felt like it was a lot of work and
responsibility. With this list we now have the ability for all of us to help
get folks' questions answered, especially once we get a lot more members,
and we will get a lot of new members. The extent of knowledge on this list
will be huge, just wait and see. And it will be a lot of fun.

Ken Claus is the former Pres of the R90s club here in the US and is
responsible for the R90s Club being in existence today as it almost went
away for lack of interest some years ago. He has relinquished his Pres title
but he is still a guiding light of the Club and is the Clubs' Treasurer.

Kirk Ratzel is heading up the European contingent of the R90s club and is on
this list. He is currently living in Paris!!! (Yea I know, I wish I was
living in Paris too.) I am sure he has a unique look at the R90s scene in
Europe. I enjoyed his recent article in the R90s Newsletter. Thanks Kirk.

Frank Cachia is a list member also and Frank and I have traded emails for a
long time, and he lives in Australia!!! He previously started the R90s
Registry and it has a web site to visit
Go there and have fun.

And a local to me here in PA is Joe Dille. If his name rings a bell you are
remembing that the recent R90s Rally held at my house was his idea entirely.
And he wrote the two recent articles in the BMW MOA News about fasteners,
nuts and bolts. If you missed these articles (I believe there is one more
article to come) go back and read them and you will know more than you ever
wanted to ask about nuts and bolts. Very informative well written articles
and great information. Joe and his eldest son Joey race go carts avidly and
are quite good at it. Joe is very informed, sharing and a good source of
information. He restored his immaculate Daytona Orange R90s which he rides
most days, and I understand Joe has several patents to his credit. He also
has an EML sidecar attached to a K100 which he assembled himself. Go to
this
link for more information on Joe

And we have an enthusiast lady member of this list who proudly owns her
Daytona Orange R90s. Hi there Carolla in Pittsburgh. I don't know her well
(yet!) but I think she works in the computer or information field. So I can
use some pointers from her I am sure! She and her significant other Ted
stayed at our house after the recent R90s Rally. I am not sure she has good
taste in men!!! (Hi Ted:)

I have taken some license by going ahead and sharing what I know about some
of you. BUT you know so much more about yourselves than I do so please as
the occasion arises on this list jump in and share with all of us something
about yourself. This will allow other list members to know that there is a
wealth of information on this list and it can only benefit all of us.

I hope what I have shared is accurate. If not please correct me. Thanks.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

Can someone tell me something about this downloadable file attached to a
blank e-mail?

Thanks!

(this 90S list is a great idea!)

Rally in Maine next summer? I'll set it up!

Buck

'77 R75/7 with Jackwal Superwedge "Cyrano"
'76 R90S
'88 Honda NX 650 "Poor man's Funduro"

Hi Mac and everyone! Great to be here!

Buck

'77 R75/7 with Jackwal Superwedge "Cyrano"
'76 R90S (no name yet)
'88 Honda NX 650 "Poor man's Funduro"

Please amend your statement re production of R90S's. The first R90S
rolled off the assembly line in 1973

Great that you joined Frank! We will have fun using this means of
communication.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

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great to be here as well. a big thanks to Mac for a great party, (that I wish I could have attended), as well as setting this message board up. Maine sounds great for next year.

Rick Griffith
President

From: Frank Cachia <r90s@... in Australia.

Mac: Please amend your statement re production of R90S's. The first R90S
rolled off the assembly line in 1973.

Frank: Very good point!!! I am glad you brought up PRODUCTION date of
R90ss versus model year designation. There has been some talk about this
topic and it has been confusing to some people.

What we are talking about here is the MODEL year that a bike belongs to
versus its' production date.

My statement in the egroups R90SWORLDNET is that R90ss were produced for
MODEL years 1974 to 1976. In the US (I can only speak to the situation here
in the US, it may be different in the Rest of the World or ROW) it is true
that R90ss were produced for model years 1974 to 1976 only. However they
were manufactured or produced from 1973 to 1977.
Let me explain.

Back in the '70s, typically the vehicle manufacturers started producing the
new model, the next year's model, about August or September. (For the
Germans this generally coincided with their return from vacation in
August/September.) So for instance if they made an R90s in Aug of 1973 it
would be a 1974 model even though it was manufactured in Aug of 1973.

Also they would make 1976 R90ss from about Sept of 1975 through until about
August of 1977. Then in Sept of 1977 they would start making 1978 bikes
until the following August of 1979.
Strange but true.

Example: I own a 1977 R100RS that was made in 5/76 (it is a "pre-production"
bike, BMW didn't officially start making 1977 R100RSs until 9/76). Even
thought it was made in MAY OF 1976 it is a 1977 model year bike which is the
first model year for the R100RS.

I have heard from some people who claim that their bike is a different model
year than you would think from the serial number, and I do think that some
"games" were played either by dealers or the motor vehicle division of the
state where the vehicle was registered. So there are some bikes out there
which are wrong in their model year designation, if you go by the
registration paperwork for the bike. In other words the registration
paperwork says the bike is a 1976 R90s but looking up the serial number in
BMWs' serial number sequence says the bike is actually a 1975 R90s.
(This serial number sequence can tell a lot about a bike too such as country
it was produced for, etc. But that's another story.)

One guy who owned his bike from new told me his dealer said back in the
1970s "Come back and buy this bike after the first of the year and I will
make it the next model year bike."

SO the question I have always had was this: Did BMW specifically state in
any of their paperwork sent to the dealer for a new motoryclce what model
year it was?

And yes they did. I was able to find a current dealer who had records back
to the '70s who was also in business back then. They produced a copy of the
original CO (Certificate of Origin) or MSO (Manufacturer's Statement of
Origin) for a 1976 R90s. (CO and MSO mean the same thing and are
essentially just the "birth certificate" for a vehicle, stating the
manufacturer name, model designation, serial number, model year,
horsepower, etc.)

And the CO specifically states "Model Year: 1976". This particular copy of
the original CO came from Butler & Smith, the US importer of BMW
motorcycles at that time.

So BMW definitely did tell the dealer what model year each bike was.
Regardless of and separate from the production date. So a bike could
definitely be produced in 1975 and be a 1976 model year bike, for instance.

I would have to think the "rest of the world" or ROW would have had a
similar system of designating the model year of each motorcycle since that
affects the used market value of a vehicle, the mix of different parts on
each bike (for instance '74 R90ss had solid discs, later years did not) or
whatever.

However I cannot guarantee as to how the ROW designated model years versus
production dates for BMW bikes . I can only guess that there had to be a
similar system of designating model years versus production date as there
was for the US bikes.

Much of the above information I have stated I have learned from the years
that I worked for Ford Motor Company here in the US. All the manufacturers
basically use the same system as BMW in terms of model year versus
production date.


So for the US at least all motorycles were designated by the BMW factory as
belonging to a specific model year, and that frequently differed from the
production date year.

This has been a long standing point of discussion and confusion. Thanks
again Frank.

Hope this helps out some.

What does anyone else know *for sure* about this?


Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA

Frank: I was not able to open the attachment you sent in your email.

Best,

Mac Kirkpatrick
Glenmoore, PA USA