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Re: Chama Saturday
Thank you, Mike.? The days were beautiful when I was at D&S and C&TS.? I rode the train the day before and someone with the You Tube name of Travelling Tom posted a video of that day's train, which was doubleheaded.? I might have a photo of Tom taking his video as I took a few photos of the people chasing the train when I rode it.?? Mike Tisdale
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 06:45:14 AM PST, matejka53@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote:
wonderful fall colors! Mike matejka On Saturday, January 18, 2020 Mike Tisdale tisdalem2001 <ObservationCar@...> wrote:
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Re: Yahoo Groups
Obs Car is set up on both Yahoo and Groups.io .? I post to both and we still have people on both groups.?? If people are getting both Yahoo and Groups.io posts and don't want to see both, I'd suggest unsubscribing from Yahoo Groups Obs Car.? Eventually, Yahoo Groups might go away entirely.? Right now, it has become a mail relay and all the content that was on the web site is gone, saving Yahoo probably petabytes of disk space they no longer have to maintain for all the groups they had. Mike Tisdale
On Sunday, January 19, 2020, 08:45:47 AM PST, Bill Hough psa188@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote:
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Re: St. Louis Sunday
Hi Mike - great lighting!? You're on my hometown turf of St Louis MO.?? Growing up in the area, I remember going down to Union Station with my? Dad when it was still a bustling place.? By the Amtrak era, it was pretty derelict - holes in the roof, multiple problems, but still, a grand old building and a true city landmark.? When I started school at Illinois State U in Normal I was in and out all the time when I would come home for a visit. Its current status as a? hotel has included a gorgeous restoration and a first class hotel operation.? 30 years ago, when it was revived as an indoor shopping mall, it was truly crowded for its first 15 years, but then that effort slowly languished also. No trains call there, though there is a display track with some nice private cars parked there. I once rode just a piece of the National Limited.? I was returning from New Orleans on the City and made the connection at Mattoon IL to the National and into St Louis.? It was hours late, a group of us "youngsters," including a woman from England, had a lively coach conversation about the potentials of rail travel as we rocked across the prairies on the old New York Central route. The British woman could not believe the sorry state of US rails (She was probably on one of those Railpax passes too). Mike Matejka Normal IL Great memories, Mike.?? I've been through St. Louis twice, on this 1977 trip and again in 2010 on the Eagle.? I have to say that the current Amtrak station is not at all bad and more appropriate for the amount of traffic St. Louis has these days than the derelict Union Station in 1977.? The head building was in decent shape, IIRC, but the trainshed and approach area were mostly trackless weeds where all those tracks had been at one time.?? 3 years after this US Rail Pass trip, which included trips on the Northeast Corridor as well as most of the National's route, among a lot of other trains (Zephyr, Broadway, Panama, Crescent, Palmetto, Silver Star, Shenandoah, SW Limited, Starlight, San Joaquin and Sunset), I had a 4 month trip out of the US that featured a 3 week steam bash in India, a week recovering from that in Sri Lanka, 2 months in the UK and over a month in continental Europe.? I can understand why the Brit woman on the National thought she was? in a developing (or undeveloping, as someone has characterized places where the infrastructure that was there 50 years ago is falling apart as she bounced across Illinois and compared that experience to 125 MPH HSTs on hourly headways in her country or even hourly DMU locals on remote branches.?? And we wonder why rural areas are depopulating...I think in part because after a while driving becomes such a pain in the neck way to get around for a lot of people.? There are other economic factors, of course, but trying to attract new businesses and the population that goes with them is challenging when the nearest *fill in the blank* is 1, 2 or 3 hours away over back roads that are boring in good weather and a challenge in bad weather.? I can't help but wonder if there was an integrated network of trains and buses in much of the US, if a few more business might look at locating in areas outside big cities and people might find that smaller community life might be better if they could get somewhere a bit more exciting once or twice a month with a quick train ride.?? Things to consider when you can't get from St. Louis to Tulsa, Columbus, Louisville or Nashville on a train anymore. Mike Tisdale
On Sunday, January 12, 2020, 05:45:17 AM PST, matejka53@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote:
??? Hi Mike - great lighting!? You're on my hometown turf of St Louis MO.?? Growing up in the area, I remember going down to Union Station with my? Dad when it was still a bustling place.? By the Amtrak era, it was pretty derelict - holes in the roof, multiple problems, but still, a grand old building and a true city landmark.? When I started school at Illinois State U in Normal I was in and out all the time when I would come home for a visit.
Its current status as a? hotel has included a gorgeous restoration and a first class hotel operation.? 30 years ago, when it was revived as an indoor shopping mall, it was truly crowded for its first 15 years, but then that effort slowly languished also.
No trains call there, though there is a display track with some nice private cars parked there.
I once rode just a piece of the National Limited.? I was returning from New Orleans on the City and made the connection at Mattoon IL to the National and into St Louis.? It was hours late, a group of us "youngsters," including a woman from England, had a lively coach conversation about the potentials of rail travel as we rocked across the prairies on the old New York Central route. The British woman could not believe the sorry state of US rails (She was probably on one of those Railpax passes too).
Mike Matejka
Normal IL
-----Original Message----- From: Mike Tisdale tisdalem2001@... [ObservationCar] <ObservationCar@...> To: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Observation Car <observationcar@...> Sent: Sun, Jan 12, 2020 1:09 am Subject: [ObservationCar] St. Louis Sunday
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St. Louis Union Station, Amtrak 447 on the westbound National Ltd. I was en route from Richmond, Indiana to Kansas City to meet my parents, who were on the Southwest Ltd. This was during a 15,000 USA Rail Pass marathon trip that took up most of June 1977 for me.
The National was Amtrak's New York-Philadelphia-Pittsburgh-Columbus-Dayton-Indianapolis-St. Louis-Kansas City train. It was essentially PRR's Spirit of St. Louis extended to Kansas City and given the name of B&O's premier Washington-Cincinnati-St. Louis train. It was one of the victims of Amtrak's 1979 cutbacks and part of its route between Pittsburgh and Indianapolis was removed by Conrail. Mike Tisdale
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Re: Applegate Wednesday
Excellent question Phil.? SP and Rio Grande were the only railroads to buy SD45T-2 and SD40T-2 locomotives (Rio Grande got 40s, only).? Subsequent SP and DRGW orders were for normal units, with Rio Grande getting SD50s and SP with GP60s and SD70Ms.? GE went from having lower? air intakes for their raidators on early U-series units to having radiators at similar height to EMDs on newer units.?? Newer units CAN have problems in tunnels..famously, the GE that was helping UP 844 and 3985 over Donner shut down in Summit Tunnel 41 in 1999 and forced the steam engineers to open their throttles, reminding the world of why SP went for cab forwards.?? Perhaps with modern control systems, units can be automatically reduced in power if they get too hot to try to prevent overheating.? Computer controls for locomotives have come a long way since 1972, when EMD introduced the -2 line. Mike Tisdale
On Saturday, January 11, 2020, 12:22:19 PM PST, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Mike, ? So what has changed?? Certainly the tunnels are the same, that is, no big ventilation fans.? So are modern diesel engines less susceptible to the problems that caused SP to run tunnel motors?? I¡¯m not saying that you or anyone else on the list would know.? Seems like a good topic for ¡°Ask Trains.¡± ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:00 AM To: [email protected]; Observation Car <observationcar@...> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] Applegate Wednesday ? ? Phil, as far as I know, UP has retired or sold all of the Tunnel Motors it got from SP. GP15-1s have the same radiator arrangement, but were not really built for use in the mountains. ? Mike Tisdale On Friday, January 10, 2020, 09:18:29 PM PST, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Mike, ? Are any UP engines in active duty configured as tunnel motors? ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via Groups.Io ? On the warm summer morning of 8 July 2007, UP 5282 leads an eastbound manifest train with some refers at the front into Tunnel 28 in Applegate, California. We're at around 2000' elevation and the train will have to climb nearly 5000 more feet before it reaches Donner Summit ? ?
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Re: Applegate Wednesday
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMike, ? So what has changed?? Certainly the tunnels are the same, that is, no big ventilation fans.? So are modern diesel engines less susceptible to the problems that caused SP to run tunnel motors?? I¡¯m not saying that you or anyone else on the list would know.? Seems like a good topic for ¡°Ask Trains.¡± ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 12:00 AM To: [email protected]; Observation Car <observationcar@...> Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] Applegate Wednesday ? ? Phil, as far as I know, UP has retired or sold all of the Tunnel Motors it got from SP. GP15-1s have the same radiator arrangement, but were not really built for use in the mountains. ? Mike Tisdale On Friday, January 10, 2020, 09:18:29 PM PST, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote: ? ? Mike, ? Are any UP engines in active duty configured as tunnel motors? ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via Groups.Io ? On the warm summer morning of 8 July 2007, UP 5282 leads an eastbound manifest train with some refers at the front into Tunnel 28 in Applegate, California. We're at around 2000' elevation and the train will have to climb nearly 5000 more feet before it reaches Donner Summit ? ?
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Re: Applegate Wednesday
Phil, as far as I know, UP has retired or sold all of the Tunnel Motors it got from SP. GP15-1s have the same radiator arrangement, but were not really built for use in the mountains. Mike Tisdale
On Friday, January 10, 2020, 09:18:29 PM PST, Phil Burton <philip-b@...> wrote:
Mike, ? Are any UP engines in active duty configured as tunnel motors? ? Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Tisdale via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 11:25 PM To: [email protected]; Observation Car <observationcar@...> Subject: [ObservationCar] Applegate Wednesday ? On the warm summer morning of 8 July 2007, UP 5282 leads an eastbound manifest train with some refers at the front into Tunnel 28 in Applegate, California. We're at around 2000' elevation and the train will have to climb nearly 5000 more feet before it reaches Donner Summit ?
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