Re: For Friday, a Circle Trip around the Bay
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That was the classic SP "Go One Way, Return Another".? They hoped you'd? take the City or Overland one way and the Golden State or Sunset the other, with a Daylight in between.? I've done that a few times with Amtrak.? Sacramento-Chicago on the Zephyr and the Empire Builder-Starlight or Starlight-Chief or Eagle-Sunset-San Joaquin the other way.? We've also done Broadway/3 Rivers one way and the Lake Shore or Capitol the other on the Chicago-east coast run.?? This May, my wife's siblings are doing a family reunion in North Carolina. Our route is San Joaquin-Sunset-Crescent for Sacramento-Alexandra, Virginia, then the Palmetto to Rocky Mount, NC.? The reunion will be a beach house 2 hours east of Rocky Mount.? On the way back, we are taking the Palmetto to NYC and have 4 nights in New York.? One day, we are going to New Haven to see a friend graduate from Yale.? The return from New York will be via the Lake Shore and Zephyr.?? Mike Tisdale
On Tuesday, January 7, 2020, 04:37:46 PM PST, 'Phil Burton' philip-b@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote:
Or a circle trip from Chicago to SF, to LA, and back to Chicago.? About a week¡¯s worth of travel. ? Phil ? From: ObservationCar@... [mailto:ObservationCar@...]
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 10:30 PM To: observationcar@...; ObservationCar@... Subject: Re: [ObservationCar] For Friday, a Circle Trip around the Bay ? If we want to go back to the 1950s, well where could you NOT have a circle trip?? Especially if you didn't mind making it at least one night out. ? How about the South Wind or City of Miami, Chicago to Birmingham, Kansas City-Florida Special to Kansas City and Burlington or Santa Fe back to Chicago?? GM&O or IC or Wabash Chicago-St Louis, overnight on the Zephyr-Rocket to the Twin Cities and the Zephyr, Hiawatha or 400 back to Chicago.? Chicago-Louisville on the Monon, Louisville-Cincinnati on the L&N, Cincinnati-Chicago on the PRR or NYC.? Chicago-Toledo NYC, Toledo-Liman B&O, Lima-Chicago PRR.?? ? Oakland or Sacramento to Winnemucca on the CZ, return on the SP.? Or, for a short loop, Sacramento-Stockton on the Sacramento Daylight, return on the CZ. ? The possibilities are almost endless.?? ? Mike Tisdale ? On Monday, January 6, 2020, 09:51:37 PM PST, 'Phil Burton' philip-b@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote: ? ? ? Mike, ? You could do several different variations on the circle trip to/from Stillwell, Avenue, Brooklyn, or Coney Island, the end of the line for four different ¡°letter¡± services on the NY subway system.? Originally these lines were all part of the BMT system.? Look at the very bottom center of this map.? ? I was in NY last summer and actually did one of these trips.? Total time about three hours, depending on how many times you get off along the way for photos. ? You can also do circle trips starting at Jamaica Station on the LIRR.? Go to Manhattan via LIRR, then take the subway to the LIRR Atlantic Avenue terminal in Brooklyn, then take an LIRR train back to Jamaica.? There are plenty of other such trips if you are willing to pay an extra fare and walk a few blocks..? But they are not as impressive as the 1950s circle trip around Chicago. ? Phil Burton ? From: ObservationCar@... [mailto:ObservationCar@...] ? Thank you Mike.? I'll be posting the rest of the trip soon.?? ? I want to ride Brightline if I get to Florida again, as well as Tri Rail and the new system operating near Orlando.?? ? You can ride the Muni K and J lines back to back, connecting at Balboa Park, if memory services.? You can also do the Muni T line to Bayshore, the end of the line and take Caltrain back or BART to Milbrae and Caltrain back, among a lot of others.? F line cable car to Fishermen's Wharf and the Powel-Mason or Powell-Hyde cable cars back? ? Circle trips elsehwere.... ? Well, obviously something line New York-Albany, Albany-Boston and Boston-New York could be done and probably in a day.? The northeast has quite a few opportunities for loops, be it the New York City subway or different commuter routes. ? You could take the South Shore from Chicago to Michigan City or South Bend and Amtrak back or the other way round.? The C&NW and Milwaukee Metra commuter lines going north to Lake Forest could be a circle and I think San Carlson took me to Prairie Crossing where? two Metra lines crossed.? You could also get to Blue Island on the Metra Electric line and get back on the Rock Island.?? ? If you don't mind a rubber tire leg of the trip, which I used to get from Martinez to Santa Rosa, you could probably connect between the ends of various commuter routes.?? ? Then there are the long distance loops.? You can do variations on the old SP ad..? The Golden State isn't and option, but the SW Chief parallels the SP-CRIP route and the CZ follows the route of the City of SF west of Alazon, Nevada. ? Cheers, ? Mike Tisdale ? ? ? On Friday, January 3, 2020, 12:16:24 PM PST, matejka53@... [ObservationCar] <observationcar@...> wrote: ? ? ? ? Fun!? Well done, Mike, great photos -- those kind of trips are great fun, particularly in the execution.? I remember once in 1977 doing a "circle San Francisco" trip on PCC cars, riding the outermost lines -- 45 cents, I think with transfers.? I'm sure it can still be done today. ? A magazine story I remember from years ago, just because it's so close to home, was someone in the early 1950s riding the Wabash from Chicago to Decatur, Illinois; the Illinois Terminal interurban from Decatur to Bloomington; and then the "Alton Limited" on the Chicago & Alton home to Chicago.? This makes me wonder - using commuter, Amtrak, or maybe even tourist rails, what "circle trips" are do-able today? ? Mike Matejka Normal IL ? -----Original Message----- ? SP used to advertise "Go One Way, Return Another", encouraging people in the eastern US use one of their routes to go west to California and return via a different route.? Passengers could go west on the Overland or City of SF, visit northern California, then take the Daylight down the coast, take in the LA region and return east on the Sunset or Golden State. Or maybe go north to Portland on the Shasta Daylight or Cascade and then go back on the NP, GN or Milwaukee.?? ? We can do this on a smaller scale in northern California.? A day trip can involve a loop on different routes.?? ? SMART, the commuter rail service in Marin and Sonoma Counties, north of San Francisco, recently extended their Santa Rosa-San Rafael route a couple of miles south to Larkspur, where ferries run to San Francisco.? It was time for me to take another SMART ride and I planned a trip using Sacramento light rail from my local station to the downtown Sacramento Amtrak station, a Capitol Corridor train to Martinez, an Amtrak connecting bus to Santa Rosa, SMART to Larkspur, ferries to San Francisco and then to Oakland and Amtrak home from Oakland, with the final leg on light rail.. ? This is part 1 of the trip..? We get as far as the middle of San Francisco Bay on the ferry from Larkspur to SF.? Part 2 will have more of sunset on the bay, PCCs and a Melbourne tram in SF and the trip home. ?
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