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Re: Fox Thoughts
Stein Goering
开云体育? ? --stein ? Stein Goering Arbutus Computer Services 17494 Merry Hill Rd Richland Center, WI? 53581 ? 608.538.3820 ? From:
Foxprotalk@... [mailto:Foxprotalk@...] ? Firstly - what is this "rebirth of FoxTalk" talk?? I subscribe, but haven't read the latest issue.? I've noticed its gotten thinner and thinner. ? There seems to be a consensus that the publication has been in decline since Whil gave up being editor, and some speculated it was slated for termination.? Now it appears that the publishers, evidently with backing from MS, have decided to keep it around and are even giving it somewhat of a makeover.? See Ken Levy’s comments at ? |
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Re: Fox Thoughts
开云体育this is how out of touch I am - I didn't realize Whil wasn't editing it anymore....
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Re: Fox Thoughts
开云体育Firstly - what is this "rebirth of FoxTalk" talk?? I subscribe, but haven't read the latest issue.? I've noticed its gotten thinner and thinner.
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Secondly - I've done some .NET programming and the IDE is to kill for - MSFT hit it out of the park.? I think VFP people would find VB.NET a much closer fit?and pure JAVA people would find C# a closer match.? Both languages compile to the same code base so there isn't much/any speed advantage.
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Kevin McNeish wrote the .NET for VFP people - and he has presented ad nauseum on .NET for VFPers at conferences.? He does a good job comparing C# and VB.NET.? He favors C#, but gives equal treatment?to both in his book.? I agree - it's an excellent book.
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C# has strict typing and is?more anal like C++.? VB.NET allows more slop - isn't case sensitive, etc.
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Long Live VFP.? Whil's pretty much abandoning VFP in favor of Linux.? However - one never knows Whil next move.? I'm disappointed that there seems to be such a defeatest attitude with Fox going forward.? It is an awesome tool!? We all know that.
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Interesting ideas about how we can bolster VFP.? Personally, I'd like to see a private buyout of the developers and source code.? A second choice would be a Borland.? Then, develop better hooks into .NET AND, focus on a linux tailored version.
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Corporate - fortune 2000 don't see the value in VFP.? That's one of the many problem.
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Eric - when are you moving back?
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Peter D.
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One more thing about mono.? The home page is , and there's a free IDE available at .? I'm not sure why they didn't choose to use the open source Eclipse IDE for this project, but this might be something to check out for tonight's meeting. |
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
Lorentzen David F.
Me. 5:30. I'll grab a couple of 2 liter bottles of soda on the way.
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-= Dave David F. Lorentzen Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics 600 Highland Ave Madison, WI 53792-2472 -----Original Message-----
From: P.J. Fernandez [mailto:pjfern@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 2:28 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: Re: RE: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting Jim already brought the projector. So, who is coming and what is your ETA? P.J.
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
P.J. Fernandez
Jim already brought the projector. So, who is coming and what is your ETA?
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
Chad J. Lemmer
开云体育If you're on the topic of commercial VFP apps,
check out this one, too:
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The last time I downloaded the trial (about a year
ago), it was a VFP (7?) application with a web-like interface.
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- Chad J. Lemmer
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
PJ Fernandez
Good we welcome it!
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P.J. -----Original Message-----
From: Lorentzen David F. [mailto:DF.LORENTZEN@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:40 AM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting PJ, I have a demo that I can show - a commercial program written in...TA DA...VFP. Not my program, so I don't have any source code that we can muck around with, but always interesting to see what other folks are doing in VFP. -= Dave David F. Lorentzen Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics 600 Highland Ave Madison, WI 53792-2472 -----Original Message----- From: PJ Fernandez [mailto:pjfern@...] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:39 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting Tuesday, March 16th @ 5:30 PM Any suggestions for the agenda? P.J. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.622 / Virus Database: 400 - Release Date: 3/13/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (). Version: 6.0.622 / Virus Database: 400 - Release Date: 3/13/2004 |
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
PJ Fernandez
开云体育Yes,
I'm here.? That is very nice of you.? Sorry to hear about your mother,
hope she has a speedy recovery.
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P.J.
239-1507
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
Jim Tooley
开云体育I can't seem to find P.J.'s phone?number. I'd
like to arrange to drop off my projector so you guys don't have to bath before
you come to the meeting. Does anyone have it ... can't seem to find his company
in the phone book ... PJ are you tuned in ???
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Call me!
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Jim in Lodi
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
HawkRidge
I'll be there
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Walk In Beauty, Cliff Smith hawkridge@... / 608 647-2366 -----Original Message-----
From: Lorentzen David F. [mailto:DF.LORENTZEN@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:40 AM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: RE: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting PJ, I have a demo that I can show - a commercial program written in...TA DA...VFP. Not my program, so I don't have any source code that we can muck around with, but always interesting to see what other folks are doing in VFP. -= Dave David F. Lorentzen Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics 600 Highland Ave Madison, WI 53792-2472 -----Original Message----- From: PJ Fernandez [mailto:pjfern@...] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:39 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting Tuesday, March 16th @ 5:30 PM Any suggestions for the agenda? P.J. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
Lorentzen David F.
PJ,
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I have a demo that I can show - a commercial program written in...TA DA...VFP. Not my program, so I don't have any source code that we can muck around with, but always interesting to see what other folks are doing in VFP. -= Dave David F. Lorentzen Manager, HLA/Molecular Diagnostics Lab University of Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics 600 Highland Ave Madison, WI 53792-2472 -----Original Message-----
From: PJ Fernandez [mailto:pjfern@...] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:39 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: [madfox_vfp] March MadFox Meeting Tuesday, March 16th @ 5:30 PM Any suggestions for the agenda? P.J. Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Re: Fox Thoughts
Einar Kvandahl
开云体育Just to add on to Eric's email. There is a great book from
Hentzenwerke called: ".Net for VFP developers". This book is a great
introduction book for .NET and is written by a VFP guru. The author seems to
favor C# and says that C# is probably the best choice for VFP developers, but he
compares C# and VB.NET objectively.
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Also there is a toolkit, Visual Fox Pro toolkit for .NET,
?available for download from
The toolkit includes a lot of the good ol' foxpro functions
and commands and is a great starting point if you want to get into
.NET.
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Einar
? From: Eric Selje [mailto:eselje@...] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:20 AM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: Re: [madfox_vfp] Fox Thoughts The mono project on Linux, which allows C#, vb.Net, asp.net, ado.net, etc. to run on Linux looks *very* interesting ().? Ironically if Microsoft had ported VFP over to the .NET side, getting it on Linux would have been much easier thanks to the mono project.? We could have just run our VFP psuedo-code on the mono Common Language Interface (Interpreter?) on Linux and been off and running!? Of course we'd probably have to use ODBC to get at VFP data. It'd be very ironic if Novell, with this mono project, knocks Microsoft out of languages.? Personally I think Novell should spin their Java development and app server (fka Silverstream) and Mono development into a separate company, and then maybe even merge that company with Borland who really has language expertise.? Ideally then Borland, who had dBase experience way back, could create a VFP clone or host an open-source VFP clone.? Yeah, that'd be awesome. There's still talk about IBM buying Novell though, which I'd hate to see happen.? IBM's overloaded with too much stuff as it is. Eric Stein Goering wrote:
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Re: Fox Thoughts
Eric Selje
开云体育Speaking of .NET, I know that PJ at one time in his consulting days was learning C#.? Anybody else??? It's my understanding that C# would feel more natural to us VFP programmers than Java even.The mono project on Linux, which allows C#, vb.Net, asp.net, ado.net, etc. to run on Linux looks *very* interesting ().? Ironically if Microsoft had ported VFP over to the .NET side, getting it on Linux would have been much easier thanks to the mono project.? We could have just run our VFP psuedo-code on the mono Common Language Interface (Interpreter?) on Linux and been off and running!? Of course we'd probably have to use ODBC to get at VFP data. It'd be very ironic if Novell, with this mono project, knocks Microsoft out of languages.? Personally I think Novell should spin their Java development and app server (fka Silverstream) and Mono development into a separate company, and then maybe even merge that company with Borland who really has language expertise.? Ideally then Borland, who had dBase experience way back, could create a VFP clone or host an open-source VFP clone.? Yeah, that'd be awesome. There's still talk about IBM buying Novell though, which I'd hate to see happen.? IBM's overloaded with too much stuff as it is. Eric Stein Goering wrote:
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Re: Fox Thoughts
Stein Goering
开云体育The .NET juggernaut keeps on rolling, and will probably ultimately lead to the fox’s demise, though not as quickly as some have predicted.?? The buzz about VFP 9 and the rebirth of FoxTalk are encouraging signs.? ? Still it’s a shame about GLGDW.?? I’m afraid the days of having a world-class, affordable Fox conference within driving distance are gone forever.? ?Here’s a link to some of the alternatives: ? Of these, Southwest Fox looks like the best match to GL – about the same time of year and comparable registration cost.? Not sure I’ll be able to justify attending, though, once I figure in the extra time and travel costs. ? --stein ? Stein Goering Arbutus Computer Services 17494 Merry Hill Rd Richland Center, WI? 53581 ? 608.538.3820 ? From: Eric Selje
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Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:12 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: [madfox_vfp] Fox Thoughts ? Hi All, |
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Re: March MadFox Meeting
Jim Tooley
开云体育Hi VIP / VFP Group,
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I'm not going to make the meeting this month. My
mother is undergoing heart surgery Tuesday afternoon and one has to have
priorities.
I just read Eric's latest post ... he makes some
interesting observations about VFP.
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Jim in Lodi
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Fox Thoughts
Eric Selje
开云体育Hi All,Ever since I've been down here, I haven't been doing much FoxPro coding.? In fact some of the only fox code I've written down here was an effort to separate some tiers of an internet applicaton, and I actually removed some VFP code in favor of XSLT.? I've also used a lot of PERL, some Java, and much XSLT. This effort is wrapping up and I'm attempting reintegrate myself with VFP.? It's a lot like putting on your favorite sandals after a night out dancing in uncomfortable new shoes. Here's a few thoughts I've been having.? Please comment on them: - I wondered while I was away whether the whole world abandoned Fox.? You don't come across information about it casually, but as I've gone out looking it's reassuring to see that in fact it looks about as strong as ever (fwiw).?? The success of the WinE project won't guarantee VFP's future, however.? In my opinion, VFP will at some point have to be spun off either as an open-source project (unlikely) or sold to another developer if it ever wants to flourish as it once has.? Otherwise it will languish in its current role as the tool for enthusiasts and a necessary evil for those supporting legacy apps, but won't be picked up by newbies when they can use PHP/MySQL to write good enough apps.? Too bad, they'll never know how good they could have had it.? Efforts to kindle VFP with either WinE or, even better, an open-source clone of VFP will be interesting but ultimately unsuccessful.? I love the possible irony of an open-source clone sending Microsoft the way of Ashton-Tate. - It was interesting to read about the demise and rebirth of FoxTalk magazine.? It looks like they're going to reduce their subscription price, which is great, and also get some content from Microsoft itself. - There won't be any more Great Lakes Great Database Workshops (aka WhilFests), at least in their present form.? What conferences are you planning on going to?? With VFP 9 due out in the 2nd half of 2004, now would be a great time to get back to a conference.? I missed VFP8s' conferences and was thus unaware of the great ACTIVATE WINDOW puzzle command! - The VFP team is blogging.? Check out .? It could also be retrieved as an RSS feed, which means we could add their blogs to our madfox.info site or even the VFP Toolbox.? Anybody done much tweaking of the toolbox? That's all for now.? Eric |
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Re: Problem Running Foxpro
PJ Fernandez
Is it an app or exe? The exe will demand VFP8.0 but the app may recompile
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in 6.0 or 7.0. But you have the problem of language extensions in VFP 7.0 and VFP 8.0. P.J. -----Original Message-----
From: Scott Sharpe [mailto:ssharpee@...] Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:49 PM To: madfox_vfp@... Subject: [madfox_vfp] Problem Running Foxpro I just found out that my client had an app installed that they just ran for the first time today. It complained about an invalid Foxpro Resource file. Turns out, this other app is a VFP8 app. If I just put the VFP6 runtime files in the directory where they run the app, shouldn't that fix it? Thanks! Scott __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Problem Running Foxpro
I just found out that my client had an app installed
that they just ran for the first time today. It complained about an invalid Foxpro Resource file. Turns out, this other app is a VFP8 app. If I just put the VFP6 runtime files in the directory where they run the app, shouldn't that fix it? Thanks! Scott __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster |
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