Re: Barack Obama & Donald Trump
Go on, I’ll bite. ?What was wrong with Obama?
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Obama was a show pony. Good riddance.?
Jude ? I feel at a loss sometimes, sorry moretimes! On 23 May 2021, at 16:42, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote:
I think it’s fair to say they weren’t friends:
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Chris you speak good common sense. I only wish our “leaders" would
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Trouble is the UK population appears to have a portion of the population ?of me me me people - all intent on doing exactly as they please and the greater good is not at the forefront. PM Johnson has a handle on that. Knows if he tried to use Aussie method there’d be war in the streets.?
Aust population on the other hand ?has been criticised in some quarters for herd mentality, but for the most part population has banded together, listened to the PM and done what’s required… (and same in NZ) ..,not that we like it and there’s a deal of rattling going on about Aus citizens not being able to get back home and when are we going to be able to travel again.
A scientist said the other day zero covid for Australia an impossible dream and the moment planes are back there will be cases. It’s not going away any time soon.
Aust not been at the forefront of getting vaccine etc either. Comes of being arse end of the world I suppose. PM has ordered but then there’s only been a trickle arriving.?
As I said unusual times we live in. Govts are having to wing it on best advice and circumstances at the time.?
So it’s holidays at home for us still.?
Jude
On 24 May 2021, at 1:41 am, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
? If only Johnson had stopped those arriving from other countries as swiftly as your Government did; this is not hindsight as it seemed an obvious measure at the time. ?I all for accepting that people make mistakes, particularly when information is incomplete or inconsistent, but there were clear messages from Italy (for instance) and other EU countries. ?And more recently up to 20,000 people from India could have arrived since the ghastly COVID events, so long did it take Johnson to put it on the Red list.
The corruption is rife: PPE contracts were just a small part. ?Consider the ?37Bn that the Test and Trace system was given for a budget, run by a wife of a Tory MP with no experience of anything medical. ?Indeed it was under her that Talk Talk had a major security breach a couple of years ago. ?And T & T is not working . . .
Chris
I think Govts everywhere made mistakes at the beginning of the pandemic —all unknown territory— and in a hurry to get things running immediately for public expectation bound to happen. ?Yes deplorable though that the checks and balances were missing.?We’ve not had quite the same down here, but some instances, but then we haven’t had to be dealing with such a vast problem as UK.
Jude
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Trouble is the UK population appears to have a portion of the population ?of me me me people - all intent on doing exactly as they please and the greater good is not at the forefront. PM Johnson has a handle on that. Knows if he tried to use Aussie method there’d be war in the streets.?
Aust population on the other hand ?has been criticised in some quarters for herd mentality, but for the most part population has banded together, listened to the PM and done what’s required… (and same in NZ) ..,not that we like it and there’s a deal of rattling going on about Aus citizens not being able to get back home and when are we going to be able to travel again.
A scientist said the other day zero covid for Australia an impossible dream and the moment planes are back there will be cases. It’s not going away any time soon.
Aust not been at the forefront of getting vaccine etc either. Comes of being arse end of the world I suppose. PM has ordered but then there’s only been a trickle arriving.?
As I said unusual times we live in. Govts are having to wing it on best advice and circumstances at the time.?
So it’s holidays at home for us still.?
Jude
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On 24 May 2021, at 1:41 am, zuiko <ftog@...> wrote:
? If only Johnson had stopped those arriving from other countries as swiftly as your Government did; this is not hindsight as it seemed an obvious measure at the time. ?I all for accepting that people make mistakes, particularly when information is incomplete or inconsistent, but there were clear messages from Italy (for instance) and other EU countries. ?And more recently up to 20,000 people from India could have arrived since the ghastly COVID events, so long did it take Johnson to put it on the Red list.
The corruption is rife: PPE contracts were just a small part. ?Consider the ?37Bn that the Test and Trace system was given for a budget, run by a wife of a Tory MP with no experience of anything medical. ?Indeed it was under her that Talk Talk had a major security breach a couple of years ago. ?And T & T is not working . . .
Chris
I think Govts everywhere made mistakes at the beginning of the pandemic —all unknown territory— and in a hurry to get things running immediately for public expectation bound to happen. ?Yes deplorable though that the checks and balances were missing.?We’ve not had quite the same down here, but some instances, but then we haven’t had to be dealing with such a vast problem as UK.
Jude
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Re: Barack Obama & Donald Trump
Obama was a show pony. Good riddance.?
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On 24 May 2021, at 2:09 am, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
? I feel at a loss sometimes, sorry moretimes! On 23 May 2021, at 16:42, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote:
I think it’s fair to say they weren’t friends:
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Re: Barack Obama & Donald Trump
It must have been so frustrating for Obama to have to hand over to such a person.
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If only Johnson had stopped those arriving from other countries as swiftly as your Government did; this is not hindsight as it seemed an obvious measure at the time. ?I all for accepting that people make mistakes, particularly when information is incomplete or inconsistent, but there were clear messages from Italy (for instance) and other EU countries. ?And more recently up to 20,000 people from India could have arrived since the ghastly COVID events, so long did it take Johnson to put it on the Red list.
The corruption is rife: PPE contracts were just a small part. ?Consider the ?37Bn that the Test and Trace system was given for a budget, run by a wife of a Tory MP with no experience of anything medical. ?Indeed it was under her that Talk Talk had a major security breach a couple of years ago. ?And T & T is not working . . .
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I think Govts everywhere made mistakes at the beginning of the pandemic —all unknown territory— and in a hurry to get things running immediately for public expectation bound to happen. ?Yes deplorable though that the checks and balances were missing.?We’ve not had quite the same down here, but some instances, but then we haven’t had to be dealing with such a vast problem as UK.
Jude
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Barack Obama & Donald Trump
I think it’s fair to say they weren’t friends:
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Re: The Devil makes work for idle hands
I don’t want to sound paranoid, but it seems to me there is more & more corruption going on.?. Boris Johnsons?
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I think a lot of people in the UK are feeling paranoid and with justification because it feels as if our current “government” is out to get us! Best Susan On 22 May 2021, at 19:53, John Miller via < johnmiller051118@...> wrote: Dear All, I’ve figured it to be a good investment to get anti-malware software. Everyday I get at least one virus in the bin & I’m beginning to wonder if it will get into the double figures & scams too are proliferating. Dr Henry Kissinger Nobel laureate said, as regards President Richard Nixon: “Even paranoids have enemies.” Be on your guard friends! Hugs John
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I’ve experienced it first hand & what better way than to blame dead flight crew: & what we’ve seen of Donald Trump, makes me want to vomit John
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This is one of the worst things I've seen
You’ve got to be naive if you don’t think there was corruption there & ONGOING!
John
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I think Govts everywhere made mistakes at the beginning of the pandemic —all unknown territory— and in a hurry to get things running immediately for public expectation bound to happen. ?Yes deplorable though that the checks and balances were missing.? We’ve not had quite the same down here, but some instances, but then we haven’t had to be dealing with such a vast problem as UK.
Jude
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On 23 May 2021, at 9:41 pm, zuiko < ftog@...> wrote: Here’s an example, Jude. ?Chums of members of the Cabinet being given contracts without any evidence that they could provide the goods.
Chris Begin forwarded message:
From: Jo Maugham - Good Law Project <info@...>
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Dear Friend,?
Today the High Court heard our lawyers detail waste, mismanagement - and yet more special treatment for politically connected companies placed in the “痴滨笔” Lane.?
Government paid tens of millions of pounds to PestFix and Ayanda Capital for face masks??NHS standards.?An email from a senior official stated that they needed to “get out of a contract” due to “a failure of the commercial process…”
PestFix was in the?“痴滨笔” lane because an ex-director was an old-school friend of a senior official's father-in-law; Ayanda, because one of its senior advisers was a member of Government’s Board of Trade.
Government failed to carry out any proper checks before ordering gowns from PestFix. After examining the evidence, our lawyers told the Court: “over ?100m spent on gowns with no technical assurance, no financial due diligence and based on a misunderstanding of the gowns which were actually being purchased.”
Government didn’t put its cards on the table. One witness went to some lengths to “gloss over” - as our lawyer put it - the lack of technical assurance. It was left to a detailed forensic review by our legal team to uncover this extraordinary failure.?
Government awarded huge contracts to Ayanda Capital despite it having failed financial due diligence.?The hedge fund was given a red rating, which meant there were “Major issues or concerns [which] would need to be resolved before we use them”
Not only did this not dissuade Government from accepting Ayanda’s offer to supply millions of FFP2 masks, but its VIP status actually meant that it was invited to supply a different type of mask, leading to an even larger contract award.
This was taxpayers’ money, dished out to companies because of who they knew, not what they could supply. The result - unsurprisingly - was a waste of hundreds of millions of pounds. In these contracts alone.
Our challenge seeks to get to the truth of the PPE procurement process in which - again to quote our lawyer -?“a truly colossal amount of public money” was spent?“in circumstances of almost total secrecy”.
Please help us shine a light on this scandal by sharing with your friends and family and asking them to sign up for updates.? |
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Jo Maugham?
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Here’s an example, Jude. ?Chums of members of the Cabinet being given contracts without any evidence that they could provide the goods.
Chris Begin forwarded message:
From: Jo Maugham - Good Law Project <info@...>
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Dear Friend,?
Today the High Court heard our lawyers detail waste, mismanagement - and yet more special treatment for politically connected companies placed in the “痴滨笔” Lane.?
Government paid tens of millions of pounds to PestFix and Ayanda Capital for face masks??NHS standards.?An email from a senior official stated that they needed to “get out of a contract” due to “a failure of the commercial process…”
PestFix was in the?“痴滨笔” lane because an ex-director was an old-school friend of a senior official's father-in-law; Ayanda, because one of its senior advisers was a member of Government’s Board of Trade.
Government failed to carry out any proper checks before ordering gowns from PestFix. After examining the evidence, our lawyers told the Court: “over ?100m spent on gowns with no technical assurance, no financial due diligence and based on a misunderstanding of the gowns which were actually being purchased.”
Government didn’t put its cards on the table. One witness went to some lengths to “gloss over” - as our lawyer put it - the lack of technical assurance. It was left to a detailed forensic review by our legal team to uncover this extraordinary failure.?
Government awarded huge contracts to Ayanda Capital despite it having failed financial due diligence.?The hedge fund was given a red rating, which meant there were “Major issues or concerns [which] would need to be resolved before we use them”
Not only did this not dissuade Government from accepting Ayanda’s offer to supply millions of FFP2 masks, but its VIP status actually meant that it was invited to supply a different type of mask, leading to an even larger contract award.
This was taxpayers’ money, dished out to companies because of who they knew, not what they could supply. The result - unsurprisingly - was a waste of hundreds of millions of pounds. In these contracts alone.
Our challenge seeks to get to the truth of the PPE procurement process in which - again to quote our lawyer -?“a truly colossal amount of public money” was spent?“in circumstances of almost total secrecy”.
Please help us shine a light on this scandal by sharing with your friends and family and asking them to sign up for updates.? |
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Thank you,
Jo Maugham?
Director of Good Law Project
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Because they’re crooks and incompetents, Jude.
Chris
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On 23 May 2021, at 10:39, Judith Hall <glenidol@...> wrote:
Why exactly?
Jude
On 23 May 2021, at 7:02 pm, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
?That is why we must all work hard to get this “government” out as soon as possible.
Best
Susan
On 23 May 2021, at 06:15, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It seems to me there is more & more corruption going on. I truly & honestly despair
<CBP-9006.pdf><Daniel Morgan: how a 30-year-old murder still haunts Britain's powerful | Metropolitan police | The .webarchive><Death of Blair Peach - Wikipedia.webarchive><Death of Ian Tomlinson - Wikipedia.webarchive>
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I agree, John. I feel less and less hopeful for the UK.
Chris
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On 23 May 2021, at 06:15, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It seems to me there is more & more corruption going on. I truly & honestly despair
<CBP-9006.pdf><Daniel Morgan: how a 30-year-old murder still haunts Britain's powerful | Metropolitan police | The .webarchive><Death of Blair Peach - Wikipedia.webarchive><Death of Ian Tomlinson - Wikipedia.webarchive>
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Why exactly?
Jude
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On 23 May 2021, at 7:02 pm, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
?That is why we must all work hard to get this “government” out as soon as possible.
Best
Susan
On 23 May 2021, at 06:15, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It seems to me there is more & more corruption going on. I truly & honestly despair
<CBP-9006.pdf><Daniel Morgan: how a 30-year-old murder still haunts Britain's powerful | Metropolitan police | The .webarchive><Death of Blair Peach - Wikipedia.webarchive><Death of Ian Tomlinson - Wikipedia.webarchive>
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That is why we must all work hard to get this “government” out as soon as possible.
Best
Susan
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On 23 May 2021, at 06:15, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
It seems to me there is more & more corruption going on. I truly & honestly despair
<CBP-9006.pdf><Daniel Morgan: how a 30-year-old murder still haunts Britain's powerful | Metropolitan police | The .webarchive><Death of Blair Peach - Wikipedia.webarchive><Death of Ian Tomlinson - Wikipedia.webarchive>
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It seems to me there is more & more corruption going on. I truly & honestly despair
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Re: The Devil makes work for idle hands
Avira has a free version.?
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On 23 May 2021, at 8:08 am, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
? I am not sure who I have the greatest crush on, Susie, or Jude!On 22 May 2021, at 23:01, Purler <susan.platter@...> wrote:
I think a lot of people in the UK are feeling paranoid and with justification because it feels as if our current “government” is out to get us!
Best
Susan
On 22 May 2021, at 19:53, John Miller via groups.io <johnmiller051118@...> wrote:
Dear All,
I’ve figured it to be a good investment to get anti-malware software. Everyday I get at least one virus in the bin & I’m beginning to wonder if it will get into the double figures & scams too are proliferating.
Dr Henry Kissinger Nobel laureate said, as regards President Richard Nixon:
“Even paranoids have enemies.”
Be on your guard friends!
Hugs John
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