Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
Alan, I'm not entirely sure.? But since you're effectively changing the license by cancelling and re-upping with something else . . .
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As I said, I'm sticking with the directions that Microsoft has given because they're simple and, now, proven, since a number of people have reported success in following them.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
Brian,
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What does the switch license or update license choices you mention below mean and why would one use them instead? Just curious.
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On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 11:43 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
I suggest going to file, accounts, and update your license on this screen..
I agree, and had given the steps to do exactly that: ??Hit Alt + F, D, Y 3? (File Backstage View, Accounts, Manage Account button)?
One could, of course, use Alt + F, D, Y 4? (Switch License) or Y 5 (Update License) but both involve additional login steps avoided by using the Manage Account
button per Microsoft's own instructions, which I stuck with.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
I see Copilot in the New Outlook. It's in the Messages group, and it's after Pictures, Emojis, and Tables and before Apps. I'm not sure if that helps or not.
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In regard to Outlook, I presume you mean Outlook Classic.? I've not had it show up in Outlook Classic or New Outlook for me, yet, or else the presentation is quite different as far as what happens in the respective ribbons.
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Downgrading to M365 Personal or Family Classic
I realize that the partial screenshot I am going to place in this post will not be directly helpful to many, but for those of you that do have sighted assistants around, it will show them precisely what they should be looking for.? I'll also give a brief description of the identifying text for screen reader users.
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First, go straight to the cancel page for M365 for your account: ??
If you're logged in to your Windows account and it's MS Account linked, this should take you straight there without having to do any of the steps from within MS-Word or another Office Suite program to get there.
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Here is what you should see, literally, if you scroll down the page a bit, it is not at the top:
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There is a section that is labeled:? Choose a plan that's right for you.
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Immediately beneath that are two boxes, both of which have bright yellow strips beneath the following respective text:
- Current Subscription
- Current Subscription without AI
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The first will show the new "default" form of M365 Family or Personal (depending on your current subscription) with the price increase related to keeping integrated Copilot after the trial period ends at your next renewal date.? In the USA that's $30/year more than an existing subscription price. In my case, since I'm the primary subscriber for M365 Family, immediately below is: Microsoft 365 Family, $129.99/year.
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The second option, without AI, will show the price you're currently paying, as "Classic."? In my case, immediately below is:? Microsoft 365 Family Classic, $99.99/year.? Then, after the list of services that go with the non-AI version, is a Switch Plan button which, if activated, would keep me on the Classic level when my renewal date arrives, leaving my current services unchanged.
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There is a third box, with no yellow banner, that reads Microsoft 365 Personal, $99.99/year, that is about the "with AI" version of M365 Personal.? If you are a M365 Personal subscriber already, this box may either be entirely absent or might be replaced with one for M365 Basic.? I just can't say.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
BTW, I strongly encourage only the use of the Hit Alt + F, D, Y 3, technique.
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This generally prevents any request for login if you are using a Microsoft Account linked Windows user account, as the information is fetched from it and supplied automatically for login.
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 02:55 PM, Alan Robbins wrote:
When I do this , it want me to sign in.
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Well, then sign in.? M365 is connected to your Microsoft Account.? You can't have M365 without a Microsoft Account.
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My guess is that you've chosen to use a local Windows user account, which means that the typical "keep alive" login for your Microsoft Account does not occur.
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If you're using a Microsoft Account linked Windows user account, if it's prompting you to log in, then you just complete the login process, typically by giving your password if you don't have MFA enabled, or giving your password, then also providing the code if MFA is enabled.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
When I do this , it want me to sign in. Not sure how this updates ones license?
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On Sat, Jan 18, 2025 at 11:43 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
I suggest going to file, accounts, and update your license on this screen..
I agree, and had given the steps to do exactly that: ??Hit Alt + F, D, Y 3? (File Backstage View, Accounts, Manage Account button)?
One could, of course, use Alt + F, D, Y 4? (Switch License) or Y 5 (Update License) but both involve additional login steps avoided by using the Manage Account
button per Microsoft's own instructions, which I stuck with.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
I live in Canada and I’ve made the switch on both my laptop and my parents’ computer
without any problems.
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Now that we have two Canadians reporting this option does not exist, and in your case with sighted spouse verification, then it may be a country-related thing.
The downgrade is not noted as a downgrade, per se, but the noted Switch Plan button exists in the US for the Classic and Basic subscription plans.? Classic is what all
Personal and Family users have been accustomed to pre-Copilot-integration and Basic is the version where you only have access to the Office web apps, no desktop apps.
I have to imagine, much like the checkbox for Enable Copilot has only reached Word so far, but is slated to reach the other Office desktop apps, the downgrade option will
have to become available so that those who want the non-AI version of M365 they're used to can choose to keep it at the next renewal date.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
Brian, I should have specified. Yes, in my case, I’m using Outlook Classic and Copilot is available to me in that application.
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In regard to Outlook, I presume you mean Outlook Classic.? I've not had it show up in Outlook Classic or New Outlook for me, yet, or else the presentation is quite different as far as what happens in the respective ribbons.
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On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 02:17 PM, Muhammed 3198Denix wrote:
you'd probably have to wait for several months up to a year for the downgrade and copilot features.
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The "several months" rollout period is a virtual certainty.? It can't take a whole year, in this case, if it's being offered in a given country simply because the increase in cost is set to occur at the next M365 renewal date, and that's on an annual cycle for those who are not monthly subscribers.? I doubt that monthly subscribers will get hit with any changes until next January, one year after the "introductory free trial" of integrated Copilot began.
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If someone happens to be a monthly subscriber, they'll have to let us know what transpires.? I am an annual subscriber.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
Since this announcement is kind of new, you'd probably have to wait for several months up to a year for the downgrade and copilot features.
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On 22/01/2025 18:59, Diana Brent via groups.io wrote:
That was our experience too. I wonder if it's something about living in Canada and that is where we've subscribed to MS365. My husband is sighted and sees no such downgrade options for "classic" versions on the screen.?
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David,
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In regard to Outlook, I presume you mean Outlook Classic.? I've not had it show up in Outlook Classic or New Outlook for me, yet, or else the presentation is quite different as far as what happens in the respective ribbons.
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Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
In my case, I was first offered Copilot in Word. The offer for Outlook presented itself either later on during the same day or possibly the day after and I noticed it in Excel for the first time today. I likely
would have noticed it in Excel earlier but I don’t use Excel as often.
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Now that we have two Canadians reporting this option does not exist, and in your case with sighted spouse verification, then it may be a country-related thing.
The downgrade is not noted as a downgrade, per se, but the noted Switch Plan button exists in the US for the Classic and Basic subscription plans.? Classic is what all Personal and Family users have been accustomed to pre-Copilot-integration
and Basic is the version where you only have access to the Office web apps, no desktop apps.
I have to imagine, much like the checkbox for Enable Copilot has only reached Word so far, but is slated to reach the other Office desktop apps, the downgrade option will have to become available so that those who want the non-AI version
of M365 they're used to can choose to keep it at the next renewal date.
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Diana,
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Now that we have two Canadians reporting this option does not exist, and in your case with sighted spouse verification, then it may be a country-related thing.
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The downgrade is not noted as a downgrade, per se, but the noted Switch Plan button exists in the US for the Classic and Basic subscription plans.? Classic is what all Personal and Family users have been accustomed to pre-Copilot-integration and Basic is the version where you only have access to the Office web apps, no desktop apps.
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I have to imagine, much like the checkbox for Enable Copilot has only reached Word so far, but is slated to reach the other Office desktop apps, the downgrade option will have to become available so that those who want the non-AI version of M365 they're used to can choose to keep it at the next renewal date.
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That was our experience too. I wonder if it's something about living in Canada and that is where we've subscribed to MS365. My husband is sighted and sees no such downgrade options for "classic" versions on the screen.?
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Word: Turning Off Integrated Copilot and the prompt it produces: "Select the icon or press Alt + I to draft with Copilot"
Several points first:
1. The prompt is just that, a prompt.? It can be ignored, it is NOT part of your document text, and if you just start typing all behaves as it always has.
2. The technique given below, as of 2025-01-22, applies only to Word.? The Copilot Pane has not yet been introduced in the other Office suite apps of M365.
3. There is a way to disable it in the other Office suite apps, but doing so is non-selective and takes other functionality away, too.? I would wait until the Copilot Pane appears in Excel, etc., rather than using the workaround (which I won't discuss here).
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With the new integrated Copilot, when you open a new blank document or when you reach certain "blank spots" in existing documents, Copilot displays a prompt that screen readers always read (at least as of today's date), "Select the icon or press Alt + I to draft with Copilot," and which can be ignored if you just start typing as usual.? If you intend to play with Copilot, this will soon become "background noise," and you'll ignore the prompt as necessary, but . . .
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To disable Copilot in Microsoft Word, follow these steps:
- Open Microsoft Word
- Bring up the File Backstage View, whether by hitting Alt followed by F or clicking on File.
- Hit T to open the Options pane or click on Options.
- In the sidebar, navigate to/click on "Copilot" to open the Copilot settings pane (which contains one item). Navigate into the pane.
- Uncheck the box labeled "Enable Copilot"
- Activate the "OK"? button to save the changes
- Restart Microsoft Word
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You should no longer have the prompt appearing at all after Word is restarted unless you reverse what you did above.
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Re: M365 Family - What happens if the primary subscriber dies?
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I figure this should be put out now simply because I'm thinking about it and it is indirectly involved with issues of M365 billing.
M365 Family has a primary subscriber (the person paying for all 6 seats) as well as those who M365 is shared with as family members.? There is no way to transfer an M365 Family subscription from person to person.? So, if the original primary
subscriber dies, at the renewal date someone else "in the family" is going to have to set themselves up as the next primary subscriber within the family and share out seats to other family members.
There need be no interruption in service.? I don't tend to do the "cancel and subscribe as primary subscriber" steps until the renewal date is near.? Were someone not to know that their primary subscriber has passed (if it's very near to
renewal date) I have to believe that Microsoft will end up sending messages to all the "family seats" that the subscription has not been renewed, which would give time for the appointed person to subscribe again as the primary subscriber and share whatever
seats they'd need to.
Remember that even for M365 Family, each seat is associated with an individual's Microsoft Account, so if you have an existing M365 subscription, you will keep it through the end of the contract term (because it is prepaid) and there is
the ability to pick up the next subscription starting on the renewal date.
I have never tried this "far in advance" when someone has passed away.? I would imagine that it might work very much like the setup we're currently seeing with the new M365 Personal/Family integrated Copilot trial.? You could probably subscribe
yourself as a new primary subscriber months ahead of your current seat subscription ending, and it would pick up as of the renewal date.? But anyone considering this should contact Microsoft to ensure that's the case.? There would be no sense in subscribing
in August as the new primary subscriber if your seat is good through December, but the renewal date were to be reset to the date you set yourself up as the new primary subscriber.
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Re: Can the process of upgrading to a newer Microsoft Office version be explained from a screen reader's point of view?
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The answer to your question, at least from my perspective, is "Yes and no."? Yes for the big picture, no for the nitty gritty details because dialogs during installaiton change over time.? But those nitty gritty details pretty much boil down to, "Answer in the affirmative at every dialog that requires a yes/no type decision," if you want any program to install.? Read the dialog's question(s) just in case there is a "trick one" that would require a "No," answer, but don't expect one in most cases.? You're generally agreeing to the terms/conditions at each step until the install itself kicks off and runs to its end.
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If you are buying direct from Microsoft, all M365 and Office standalone products are purchased starting at this page: ??
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You will want to activate the Products dropdown link and choose the appropriate category under "For Home" in all probability to locate what you want to buy.? I have no idea if you're a student still, and student choices are there, too.? If you are a student at any institution of higher learning you would be very well advised to check to see if they have arrangements through Microsoft for M365 for free for you while you are enrolled as a student.? Many colleges/universities have precisely this sort of arrangement.? If you are working for an entity that uses M365, you should check to see if they have a deal with Microsoft for M365 either at no cost or very low cost for employees to use from home while they are employed with that entity.
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Yes, you should uninstall your existing standalone office prior to installing a fresh copy of the latest version, whether that be M365 or one of the standalone versions of Office.
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I have not seen many screen reader users hit any show stoppers when they have independently installed M365 or Office.? The process is straightforward and accessible from start to finish.
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Can the process of upgrading to a newer Microsoft Office version be explained from a screen reader's point of view?
Hi everyone
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First off, I would like to thank Brian for making everybody aware of the cut off period for Microsoft Office 2016 / 2019. I didn’t foresee that happening this year, especially two office products going out of support at the same time. This however leads to my dilemma.
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Unfortunately, I am one of those affected, having been using Office 2019 home and student edition which I purchased with the laptop back in 2018 / 2019. The place where I brought the PC, one of the shop assistants set Microsoft Office all up for me, so I didn’t have to do anything accept just launch the word program and away I go. Now though, what with the two above versions ending support later in this year ?2025, I need to upgrade. However, at a total loss with the process of upgrading from a previous version of the product to Office 2024 which is it's current perpetual version. As of my date of writing this. By this I mean, is it a simple process to buy, download, the Office 2024 stand alone version of the product? Even if I get that far, I have also read that one needs to uninstall their previous Ms Office version, so that it doesn’t conflict with the newer version of the product.
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?If all of that info is correct, what I am not understanding is where does one go to buy the latest perpetual license of Microsoft Office? Long gone are the days of physical media!
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I’m sure it’s a case of once you have done it once, you know where to go, what to do and the rest is familiar to you. Would just like to end by saying, I am completely aware of Office 365 but I am more than content with paying a flat fee for the single license. I have my own reasons why I prefer this method and have eyed up the pros and cons of a subscription. Hence, non subscription works better for me in the way I use the product in my day to day life.
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Thank you for reading and I look forward to advice with this matter.
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Re: M365 Family - What happens if the primary subscriber dies?
On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 05:03 PM, David Diamond wrote:
The primary owner pays the cost of the membership.
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Exactly.? And if they die, and no one "reconstitutes" the family at (or near) the renewal date by becoming the primary owner, then the entire family dissolves.? I doubt many who are family members have ever given any of this a second thought.? Much like one had better have some mechanism in place to pass along one's login credentials to one's executor, the analogous preparations to pass "the family" to someone else to manage after one's death makes sense.
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Most of us who are the primary subscribers want those we may leave behind to know what steps they can take afterward so that they're not suddenly cut off from M365 and that the family does not dissolve.
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If everyone wants to go their separate ways, then fine.? I don't see that happening with myself and the other members of my extended family who are part of the M365 family when I die.? I expect that one of them will step in to become the primary subscriber and do the necessary sharing of seats from that new subscription to the other family members.
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