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Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
Leo Bado
开云体育Well that would be something at least.? I hope someone can actually check it out. On the other hand, I have noticed a new app on Microsoft Store that it is getting updated now, it is called Microsoft 365 ?Copilot and it is a stand alone app different from Copilot although I don’t know exactly what it does. So, do you think this app is just a kind of protocol sending data to external servers or it actually handles some encrypted AI algorithms? ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2025 4:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please. ? On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:51 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
- I am not going to test it right now, but it probably has, or will, in New Outlook. ? Microsoft does not have direct access to any of your email data stores under the Outlook Classic IMAP access method, particularly not to summarize content.? New Outlook hosts all email in an "intermediate holding tank" on Microsoft servers to allow Copilot access for those who choose to use it.? IMAP is not "bi-directional" in terms of RW access to existing email messages.? They can be snagged, one at a time, for downloading purposes. ? For any Microsoft owned email service, they've got carte blanche as far as read-write access for something like Copilot when the user requests it.? It's all on their servers to begin with. -- Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:51 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
I thought this could change in the future , but apparently Microsoft thinks otherwise. -
I am not going to test it right now, but it probably has, or will, in New Outlook.
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Microsoft does not have direct access to any of your email data stores under the Outlook Classic IMAP access method, particularly not to summarize content.? New Outlook hosts all email in an "intermediate holding tank" on Microsoft servers to allow Copilot access for those who choose to use it.? IMAP is not "bi-directional" in terms of RW access to existing email messages.? They can be snagged, one at a time, for downloading purposes.
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For any Microsoft owned email service, they've got carte blanche as far as read-write access for something like Copilot when the user requests it.? It's all on their servers to begin with.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 11:26 AM, JinYoun wrote:
when I follow the instructions, there is no option to downgrade. -
Have you looked around once you are on this page?: ?
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You get there after having done the Hit Alt + F, D, Y 3, and choosing Cancel Subscription from the menu of options.
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These things do sometimes vary by region, but I can't imagine the one in Canada is not the same as the US.? For me, that page toward the bottom has a Switch Plan button if I want to switch to M365 Family Classic.? That is the downgrade, as straight M365 Personal or Family will keep Copilot AI with a $30/year cost increase as of the date of your next renewal.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
Diana,
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Several basic points:
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1. One can move between subscription levels (for lack of a better way of putting it) in M365 Personal or Family at will.? It's unfortunate that the method used to do so involves canceling one's current subscription and picking up another, as that does imply an interruption in service, but there is no interruption of service.? Only if you cancel - just cancel - and don't pick up a different subscription level will you lose service.? If you follow the previously posted instructions to cancel your existing M365 service, and during that process enroll in the Classic level, then things just stay as they are and your billing will remain as it is, with the same services as you currently have, at the point of your next renewal date.? Ahead of that date the main subscriber still has the free trial.
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2. M365 Personal and Family, even if they expire, allow 30 days (as of this writing) of access to OneDrive for the now-expired subscription in read-only mode so that existing data can be downloaded.? After that 30 days passes, it's gone.? If you re-up during that 30 days, you just have read-write access to OneDrive restored.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
开云体育When I checked on the sub, it appears to only be for the new subscription price, not classic.? I only saw two listed, one for family and one for personal. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of enes saribas via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2025 1:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please. ? Hi William, I did sign up for it, but looks like I lost the discounted rate because it says I will be charged $69 in 2025 for personal.? Can you confirm you lose it when switching to O365 personal classic? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William James via groups.io ? I would like to add a couple things to what David said. ? Besides the new CoPilot working with the new Outlook, it only works with Microsoft addresses.? Hotmail.com, outlook.com, msn.com, live.com. ? Second, if you have an agreement between your employer and Microsoft, I would recommend signing up for the ? My employer offers this and you get 30% off M365 subs.? This would take your family sub down to $90 annually, so you would actually be paying a bit less than you did before the price hike. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury via groups.io ? Hi all, A couple of points. First, as I understand, Copilot only works with the New Outlook, not Classic. Second, regarding Word, yes you? can give it prompts to create documents, but you can create similar prompts with a whole bunch of free AI apps. You can then copy results to the clipboard and paste into Word. You will have to touch up formatting using one of these, while Word with Copilot does a good job of formatting, including inserting headings. But if you are comfortable formatting Word docs, this is not much extra work. Regarding a number of things Copilot can purportedly do with Excel and PowerPoint, no free AI app has the capability to do most of this. My first two points are not meant to disparage Copilot. I have MS 365, like the integration they have introduced, and personally, will have no problem paying the extra $30 when my subscription renews. David ? ? |
Re: The latest storm of chaos from a Microsoft Announcement of changes to the default M365 Personal and Family Plans to include Copilot Functionality in the Office Programs
I am not the owner of our family subscription, my husband is. I don't mind that I won't have access to copilot. We haven't started the process, but I want to have all my ducks accounted for before I do. If we cancel our subscription, in order to downgrade to Classic, I assume we will lose everything in our separate OneDrives, so we need to back them up somewhere first, correct? Also, if my husband does do process first, I will lose my access at that time and he will need to add me on to the new account, yes? I pologize if these seem obvious questions, i just want to have thought this through before we go into it. Thanks for any clarifications you can provide.?
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Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
Leo Bado
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Unquote ? Yes David, you’re right! In my case it only works in my main Hotmail.com? account, a year ago I thought this could change in the future , but apparently Microsoft thinks otherwise. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury via groups.io ? Hi all, I stand corrected on my comment that Copilot only works with the New Outlook. But it appears this only works from within Microsoft email accounts such as outlook.com. If I am right this time, it seems to be of limited value if your primary email account is Gmail or something other than an MS account. When I tried to start up Copilot from my Gmail account, nothing happened. When I asked it to summarize my Gmail messages from within my Outlook email account, it said this was not possible. I can still draft messages from my Outlook.com account and send from another of my email accounts, so this is useful.? David |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
On the subject of subscription rates:? Most of us can only comment on Microsoft's rates for "the general public" based on our place of residence.? Programs like the mentioned by William James are negotiated between the employer and Microsoft and are supposed to be (in theory, anyway) only available to employees.? I say in theory mostly because most who subscribe through these do not terminate their own subscription through such arrangements if they change jobs, and I've never know of one to be terminated by Microsoft or the now-former employer.
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If you've got a rate below what's offered to the general public through any of Microsoft's discount programs I'd await some sort of communication from Microsoft about what rate changes, if any, will occur at your next renewal date and/or whether or not Copilot will become part of your subscription.? Since Copilot remains a "per seat" subscription for business, I am doubting that the subscriptions offered through Workplace Discount are going to have Copilot AI integration, as it would probably still be an add-on.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ? ? ? ?~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
Hi all, I stand corrected on my comment that Copilot only works with the New Outlook. But it appears this only works from within Microsoft email accounts such as outlook.com. If I am right this time, it seems to be of limited value if your primary email account is Gmail or something other than an MS account. When I tried to start up Copilot from my Gmail account, nothing happened. When I asked it to summarize my Gmail messages from within my Outlook email account, it said this was not possible. I can still draft messages from my Outlook.com account and send from another of my email accounts, so this is useful.? David |
Re: JAWS freezing with long messages much better in New Outlook
Leo Bado
开云体育I have never experienced almost the totality of all the issues continuously reported in this mailing list or other forums using Outlook classic, e.g., issues synchronizing Gmail accounts, attaching files from explorer, messages containing links, images, tables, incoming messages not syncing as expected, clumsiness navigating lists of messages, client sending legit messages into the junk folder, and a long etc. Question that rises up is why? Hmm, got a few ideas, but I’ll reserve my opinion. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2025 7:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] JAWS freezing with long messages much better in New Outlook ? I don’t use Windows a lot, but when I do, I don’t want to experience these stability issues while simply trying to read incoming mail. Like you, I encountered them in Outlook Classic, but the New Outlook for Microsoft 365 has resolved them. Outlook Classic also used to become completely unresponsive at times while reading message lists, although I hadn’t experienced that issue recently. In any case, this isn’t a problem with the New Outlook either. In summary, I’m not going back to Outlook Classic. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of chaltain@... via groups.io <chaltain@...> With the chance to try Copilot in the New Outlook, I went ahead and switched from Outlook Classic to New Outlook. One thing I've noticed is?that the issue where JAWS, NVDA and Narrator hang on messages with a lot of links, tables and more is pretty much non-existent with the New Outlook. ? -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA ? |
Re: JAWS freezing with long messages much better in New Outlook
开云体育I don’t use Windows a lot, but when I do, I don’t want to experience these stability issues while simply trying to read incoming mail. Like you, I encountered them in Outlook Classic, but the New Outlook for Microsoft 365 has resolved them. Outlook Classic also used to become completely unresponsive at times while reading message lists, although I hadn’t experienced that issue recently. In any case, this isn’t a problem with the New Outlook either. In summary, I’m not going back to Outlook Classic. ? From:
[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of chaltain@... via groups.io <chaltain@...> With the chance to try Copilot in the New Outlook, I went ahead and switched from Outlook Classic to New Outlook. One thing I've noticed is?that the issue where JAWS, NVDA and Narrator hang on messages with a lot of links, tables and more is pretty much non-existent with the New Outlook. ? -- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA ? |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
开云体育Hi William, I did sign up for it, but looks like I lost the discounted rate because it says I will be charged $69 in 2025 for personal.? Can you confirm you lose it when switching to O365 personal classic? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of William James via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2025 9:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please. ? I would like to add a couple things to what David said. ? Besides the new CoPilot working with the new Outlook, it only works with Microsoft addresses.? Hotmail.com, outlook.com, msn.com, live.com. ? Second, if you have an agreement between your employer and Microsoft, I would recommend signing up for the ? My employer offers this and you get 30% off M365 subs.? This would take your family sub down to $90 annually, so you would actually be paying a bit less than you did before the price hike. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury via groups.io ? Hi all, A couple of points. First, as I understand, Copilot only works with the New Outlook, not Classic. Second, regarding Word, yes you? can give it prompts to create documents, but you can create similar prompts with a whole bunch of free AI apps. You can then copy results to the clipboard and paste into Word. You will have to touch up formatting using one of these, while Word with Copilot does a good job of formatting, including inserting headings. But if you are comfortable formatting Word docs, this is not much extra work. Regarding a number of things Copilot can purportedly do with Excel and PowerPoint, no free AI app has the capability to do most of this. My first two points are not meant to disparage Copilot. I have MS 365, like the integration they have introduced, and personally, will have no problem paying the extra $30 when my subscription renews. David ? ? |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
开云体育I think I did that correct when I was playint with this. I'm curious to run my notes from a class I took through this as I didn't spell check or nothign, ok I did, but i transcribed the lectures and have about 10 pages for 6 hours of classes. I'm very interested now. or take a? transcript and run that through. Hmm. tomorrow as I'm very, very tired. Happy sunday all. On 1/19/2025 12:49 PM, Leo Bado via
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JAWS freezing with long messages much better in New Outlook
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With the chance to try Copilot in the New Outlook, I went ahead and switched from Outlook Classic to New Outlook. One thing I've noticed is?that the issue where JAWS, NVDA and Narrator hang on messages with a lot of links, tables and more is pretty much non-existent
with the New Outlook.
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-- Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷ Chaltain at Outlook, USA ? |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
开云体育I would like to add a couple things to what David said. ? Besides the new CoPilot working with the new Outlook, it only works with Microsoft addresses.? Hotmail.com, outlook.com, msn.com, live.com. ? Second, if you have an agreement between your employer and Microsoft, I would recommend signing up for the ? My employer offers this and you get 30% off M365 subs.? This would take your family sub down to $90 annually, so you would actually be paying a bit less than you did before the price hike. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2025 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please. ? Hi all, A couple of points. First, as I understand, Copilot only works with the New Outlook, not Classic. Second, regarding Word, yes you? can give it prompts to create documents, but you can create similar prompts with a whole bunch of free AI apps. You can then copy results to the clipboard and paste into Word. You will have to touch up formatting using one of these, while Word with Copilot does a good job of formatting, including inserting headings. But if you are comfortable formatting Word docs, this is not much extra work. Regarding a number of things Copilot can purportedly do with Excel and PowerPoint, no free AI app has the capability to do most of this. My first two points are not meant to disparage Copilot. I have MS 365, like the integration they have introduced, and personally, will have no problem paying the extra $30 when my subscription renews. David ? ? |
Re: A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please.
Leo Bado
开云体育Well, I agree. Sometimes I explicitly recommend this because users tend to be vague. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2025 2:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] A Question Regarding Copilot in MS 365 Please. ? On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 03:49 PM, Leo Bado wrote:
- I'll take issue with this assertion, but only "at the edges" rather than its core truth. ? When it comes to AI prompts to do anything, generally speaking, what you say is true, without question.? But, and it's an important one, it is possible to, at times, get overly specific, and that gets you a result not precisely like you wanted. ? You have to then play with the prompt to remove what you suspect was "overly specific" to allow a freer hand. ? It's not at all unlike what one does to craft a good web search or a good AI search prompt.? Sometimes you start broad and then narrow down by adding specificity.? Sometimes you start with extreme specificity and then remove bits that restrict one at a time until the necessary results appear. ? Depending on exactly what it is I'm trying to accomplish, I will start out with fewer specifics than I think I'll ultimately need, or with more specifics than I suspect I'll ultimately want.? It's an art crafting these prompts, rather than a hard science. -- Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: Onedrive: backing up all folders to it
Pranav,
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Also, if she really wants the equivalent of a separate partition, then you could set up folders under OneDrive Personal outside of the libraries, and then save user data there.
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I don't do that except for folders I've created specifically to share with other OneDrive users, where those folders act like a thumb drive in the cloud.? If I plop a file in that folder, those with whom I've shared it have instant (or almost, it has to sync) access to what I just put in it, and vice versa.? This is one of the really nice features of OneDrive when multiple people who are not necessarily even in the same OneDrive family, but all of whom are OneDrive users, need to have access to a file or need to share very large files that are impractical to attach to email messages.? I just ripped several albums earlier today and, after applying MP3Gain Album Gain to all of them, plopped the results in my sharing folder with my partner so he could just snag them directly into his music library.? No thumb drive or SD card or 3rd party file sharing service needed.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Re: Onedrive: backing up all folders to it
On Sun, Jan 19, 2025 at 07:34 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
The different drives -
Which, I have to say, is really unnecessary, particularly if those logical drives are partitions of one physical drive.? If that physical drive fails, everything fails, not just one partition.? And if it's an SSD then the probability of getting things back is small and the cost very expensive indeed.? There was a time, a long time ago, when I used to separate the OS drive from the user data, but I stopped doing that long ago because most people don't have separate physical drives, they're just partitioning one device, and that really gains nothing from that separation.
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Your best bet (for any you) as a home user is to stick to the default configuration that M365 sets up for OneDrive as far as Documents, Photos, & Music libraries go.? If you really don't want something in one of those libraries, provided you create a subfolder under your own OneDrive Personal folder on the computer it automatically syncs to OneDrive in the cloud.
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I have 16 folders that I created under OneDrive, and one for my Portable Programs in particular, that all sync to OneDrive.? This makes it possible for me to call any of my portable programs on any machine where I'm logged in and using OneDrive, because the Portable Programs folder is shared and synced among all of them.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881 |
Onedrive: backing up all folders to it
Hi all,
My wife has a Dell precision 5060 laptop running windows 11 pro. She is a subscriber to my Microsoft office 365 family plan. She has the laptop's hard drive partitioned into 3 separate partitions. Drive c is the operating system drive and drives d and e are for data. She wants to save her files on different drives but wants to backup everything to one drive. Can this be done or does everything going to one drive have to be saved in the username\"documents and settings"\onedrive folder? One way I was thinking of doing this is to simlink the other drives to the onedrive folder. Would that work? Would subfolders be captured? Is there a better way? She wants onedrive for features like version history. The different drives are in place so that we separate the operating system from data. Pranav |