Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Well, I thought Joe's question was good. In my opinion, Microsoft gets very poor marks for its written communication skills of late whether one is addressing Copilot integration or the mess it made of its various versions of Outlook and which one is used for what. And it will be a cold day in hell before I use One Drive versus Dropbox regardless of the economic benefits of doing so. As we should all know, there are costs other than just money when choosing a software product to use.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 9:02?AM, Brian Vogel via groups.io <britechguy@...> wrote:
? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 08:22 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this.
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And there's little surprise there simply because of the type of access and transforms going on in the background.? Copilot doesn't get that kind of "access on demand" just anywhere because the hooks to support it are not built in.
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I've said on multiple occasions that the concept that M365 is, "Just a replacement for Office," needs to be struck down.? M365 is not, and never has been, just an Office suite under another name, but a full blown ecosystem.? The integrated AI capabilities are designed to work within that ecosystem.
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I also thank you for having made the point in your dedicated post that we need to give details about exactly which M365 ecosystem we're working with, and under what version of Windows, and using what screen reader.? On tech support groups, and this is one that's focused on M365 and Office and accessibility for same, in order to give useful and accurate answers everyone's got to be "on the same page" and having the information you noted and I've repeated is the foundation for that.
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I will say, though, that on this group my base presumption, in the absence of full information, is that the M365 being asked about is either Personal or Family.? There are very few of our members using other variants, and those who are should always note that.? My answers will always be based on the features in M365 Personal or Family because that's all I have direct access to.??
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Re: M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities
I agree with Brian,
If you can return it, I would.
It won't be worth the time to get it fixed, and no, stick with M365.
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Gaston Bedard via groups.io Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 7:00 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities Yes, I agree with you folks about asking specific questions. But, some of us are not yet experts. this older blind hearing aid user is somewhat frustrated with my new Acer desktop running Windows 11. With Office 365. Perhapss, I should have purchased Office 2024. The reason is that the Acer is behaving weirdlike, and the screen reader is not reading smoothly. I tried scanning printed papers with OpenBook 9 and it crashed. OpenBook works fine with my other Windows computer. It is an HP laptop running Windows 10. With Office 2019. And, the tech guy was here twice. Thanks for your expertise. Gaston
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Re: M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities
Gaston,
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Welcome, but you've just kind of disproven your own opening premise implying that tech expertise is required in order to give necessary detail so that all who are potential assistants have a clear picture of your environment.
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You went on to give precisely that information for two different machines.
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BTW, something's wrong with your new computer, but you already know that.? And I'd say if it's been looked at by a professional, is still misbehaving, and is still within the period where it could be returned (whether for refund or exchange) that's what I'd be doing.? There are "lemons" in the computing world just as there are in the automotive world.? One advantage you'll have, at least, is that if you were using M365 and OneDrive from the moment you set the computer up all of your data in Documents, Pictures, and Music are on OneDrive in the cloud and will sync back to any machine where you set it up with OneDrive with the same Microsoft Account.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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Re: M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities
Yes, I agree with you folks about asking specific questions.
But, some of us are not yet experts.
this older blind hearing aid user is somewhat frustrated with my new Acer
desktop running Windows 11.
With Office 365.
Perhapss, I should have purchased Office 2024.
The reason is that the Acer is behaving weirdlike, and the screen reader is
not reading smoothly.
I tried scanning printed papers with OpenBook 9 and it crashed.
OpenBook works fine with my other Windows computer.
It is an HP laptop running Windows 10.
With Office 2019.
And, the tech guy was here twice.
Thanks for your expertise.
Gaston
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 08:22 AM, Leo Bado wrote:
Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this.
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And there's little surprise there simply because of the type of access and transforms going on in the background.? Copilot doesn't get that kind of "access on demand" just anywhere because the hooks to support it are not built in.
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I've said on multiple occasions that the concept that M365 is, "Just a replacement for Office," needs to be struck down.? M365 is not, and never has been, just an Office suite under another name, but a full blown ecosystem.? The integrated AI capabilities are designed to work within that ecosystem.
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I also thank you for having made the point in your dedicated post that we need to give details about exactly which M365 ecosystem we're working with, and under what version of Windows, and using what screen reader.? On tech support groups, and this is one that's focused on M365 and Office and accessibility for same, in order to give useful and accurate answers everyone's got to be "on the same page" and having the information you noted and I've repeated is the foundation for that.
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I will say, though, that on this group my base presumption, in the absence of full information, is that the M365 being asked about is either Personal or Family.? There are very few of our members using other variants, and those who are should always note that.? My answers will always be based on the features in M365 Personal or Family because that's all I have direct access to.??
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
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Re: M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities
Well stated, Leo. And posters please keep your subjects as detailed as possible.?
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On Jan 27, 2025, at 7:40?AM, Leo Bado via groups.io <leobado1982@...> wrote:
? Hello folks. ? As Microsoft targets different segments of users ?to deliver relevant products services according to their needs and expectations, I believe we should provide very specific information related to these aspects when we ask on this mailing list ?to get closer to accurate, helpful responses. Office 2024 is not the same as Office apps in M365, and M365 family and school or work are not the same as M365 business subscription. To make things even more complex, Copilot integrated in any of the plans mentioned before doesn’t offer all the capabilities that Copilot Pro offers, and Copilot Pro doesn’t offer the same capabilities an features across all plans.? So, let’s be specific when asking on the list to discover all the benefits of using These services. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ?
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M365 ecosystem, subscription plans, and Copilot capabilities
Hello folks. ? As Microsoft targets different segments of users ?to deliver relevant products services according to their needs and expectations, I believe we should provide very specific information related to these aspects when we ask on this mailing list ?to get closer to accurate, helpful responses. Office 2024 is not the same as Office apps in M365, and M365 family and school or work are not the same as M365 business subscription. To make things even more complex, Copilot integrated in any of the plans mentioned before doesn’t offer all the capabilities that Copilot Pro offers, and Copilot Pro doesn’t offer the same capabilities an features across all plans.? So, let’s be specific when asking on the list to discover all the benefits of using These services. ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ?
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Quote I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive
Unquote ? Yes, however this feature is only available for M365 business subscribers (commercial users), which by the way, can use some other quite useful Copilot features. ? Now, let’s clarify something. In January 2025, Microsoft made available Copilot for all personal and family users (consumers), which brought about very ?specific AI capabilities that are limited in comparison to Copilot for commercial users. This has always been the case since Microsoft launched the AI integration in the M365 ecosystem. So, working with multiple files residing in OneDrive? is only available for business subscribers. Now, let’s tackle what exactly means “working with multiple files.” This simply means that the user can reference (select) multiple files stored in either OneDrive or SharePoint an ask Copilot to do something drawing on the information contained in such documents. ? Now, in my own experience, let’s tackle the fact of why could be relevant using OneDrive and Copilot if one owns a personal or family subscription. Insofar as Excell, I can’t tell much because I hardly ever use it, but I heard that for some things the document you’re working on should reside in OneDrive undoubtedly. On PowerPoint, the only advantage I’ve found is document transformation from a link. Let me clarify this. Let’s say I want to create a PowerPoint presentation from a file that I wrote. I can simply go to the file explorer on my Windows PC, search for my document, and using the “share” option,? generate a link as if I were to send this link via e-mail to a friend of mine. ?Then, instead of sending this link to my friend, I rather launch PowerPoint, bring up Copilot pane, an introduce the following prompt: ? Create a PowerPoint presentation from the document available in the following link:? LinkToYourDocument” ? Wait for a few seconds and you’ll see magic. Now, here’s the secret. The document must reside in OneDrive. No other option or way to circumvent this. ? ? Cheers, Leo Bado. ? "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Pravin Lal. ? ? Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive. That’s what I’m trying to clarify. I’m hoping you’re absolutely correct, and my previous impression is completely inaccurate. ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
? ? Joe, I don’t see the connection. OneDrive is a file synchronization service. Copilot is Microsoft’s AI service. ? David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist ?
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? Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive blindness technology news, events and information. Email: [email protected] ? ? ? Hi, ? Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365? I use Dropbox as my primary platform, have no interest in switching to OneDrive, but as a result, what features would I be missing out on with Copilot? ? Thanks in advance, ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:50 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
Valuable reminder here that sometimes it really does pay to put in a little research as opposed to posting to a list.
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It always does, really.? It also helps (and I should have, but didn't) to make the scope of an answer clear.? Since most of us here are either M365 Personal or Family subscribers, we don't have access to the use cases mentioned.? The first item on the page you gave the link to asks:
Q: Where is Copilot in OneDrive currently available?
A: Copilot in OneDrive is currently available on OneDrive Web for commercial users only.
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So, for most of us here, who are not commercial users, and who seldom use OneDrive Web, there's no connection at all between OneDrive and Copilot.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Never mind. Valuable reminder here that sometimes it really does pay to put in a little research as opposed to posting to a list. ? ?
What are the use cases for Copilot in OneDrive?
Copilot unlocks great new ways of engaging with your files. Here are a few use cases to get you started: §? Ask questions on information in your files and Copilot will give you answers directly in chat. Now you don't need to search and open files to get what you're looking for, simply ask Copilot and get answers. §? Copilot can help you catch up on multiple files by quickly summarizing them. Need to get the main points of an 80-page PDF report before a meeting? Just ask Copilot! §? Reference existing files in your OneDrive to get Copilot's help on things like preparing FAQs, recommendations on improving a file for an executive meeting, or comparing the main differences between two documents. §? Copilot is also great at helping you compare the differences between two or more files. You can ask Copilot to create a table or a text summary of two or more files without having to open and close your files. ? ?
? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission https://joeorozco.com/services/ ?
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 12:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] OneDrive and Copilot? On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:05 AM, Joe Orozco wrote: Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive.
I believe you're mixing something up/together because I can't make heads or tails of that statement (which is incorrect in multiple ways). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 12:05 AM, Joe Orozco wrote:
Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive.
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I believe you're mixing something up/together because I can't make heads or tails of that statement (which is incorrect in multiple ways).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Yes, but I thought I’d read somewhere that in order to work with multiple files, the files would all have to reside in OneDrive. That’s what I’m trying to clarify. I’m hoping you’re absolutely correct, and my previous impression is completely inaccurate. ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission https://joeorozco.com/services/ ?
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 12:03 AM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] OneDrive and Copilot? Joe, I don’t see the connection. OneDrive is a file synchronization service. Copilot is Microsoft’s AI service. ? David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist ?
? Director of Marketing, Blazie Technologies
? Am Yisrael Chai The Nation of Israel Lives!
? Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive blindness technology news, events and information. Email: [email protected] ? ? ? Hi, ? Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365? I use Dropbox as my primary platform, have no interest in switching to OneDrive, but as a result, what features would I be missing out on with Copilot? ? Thanks in advance, ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 11:59 PM, Joe Orozco wrote:
Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365?
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There is none.? It's that simple.
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Copilot integration is in Word, Excel, and PowerPoint (at the moment, anyway).? Programs that are involved in content creation.? OneDrive is storage.
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If you're an M365 subscriber, not using OneDrive is wasting money, since you get 1TB of storage as part and parcel of your subscription.? If you're not using M365, then the 5GB you get with OneDrive at no cost is not much space at all, so other options may be better.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Joe, I don’t see the connection. OneDrive is a file synchronization service. Copilot is Microsoft’s AI service.
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Sent: Monday, January 27, 2025 12:00 AM
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Subject: [M365-Accessibility] OneDrive and Copilot
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Hi,
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Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365? I use Dropbox as my primary platform, have no interest in switching to OneDrive, but as a result, what features would I be missing out on with Copilot?
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Thanks in advance,
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Joe
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OneDrive and Copilot - The Two Are NOT Related in M365 Personal or Family
Hi, ? Can someone please clarify the use of OneDrive as part of Copilot on M365? I use Dropbox as my primary platform, have no interest in switching to OneDrive, but as a result, what features would I be missing out on with Copilot? ? Thanks in advance, ? Joe ? -- Joe Orozco: Your Message, My Mission https://joeorozco.com/services/ ?
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Re: Changing to the basic version
Konnie,
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Since it's Personal, and they're showing a $99.99 renewal fee, that does indicate you're the subscriber.? Since I am not a subscriber to Personal, I can only make educated guesses as to what else is on that page.? But I'd search for $69.99 as a starting point.? There has to be a way for you to keep what you've got by downgrading to the Classic version by your renewal date, and $69.99 is what Personal Classic should cost.
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If you can't find that, then please report back to us after you've talked with Microsoft, because there has to be a way to keep what you've got for Personal subscribers just as there is for Family subscribers and the page layout for the subscription cancellation for all Personal subscribers should be the same.? I just don't know exactly what's there, and can't know what's there.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
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How to determine whether you're the Primary Subscriber for M365 Family
1.? Go to for the account you're logged in under.? This is the Subscriptions page.
2. If you are the Primary Subscriber, there will be 2 buttons on this Subscription page that only you will have:
? ? ? ?a) Manage Microsoft 365 Family, Renews on {your renewal date}
? ? ? ?b) Share Microsoft 365 Family, Sharing with X of 5 people? ?(where X is between 0 and 5)
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If you do not have these two buttons, you are NOT the Primary Subscriber, and you cannot change the M365 service level.? Only the Primary Subscriber can do that.
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On my partner's computer, where he is one of the seats I've shared, there is only a button near the top, "Use Microsof365.com."? Also, as you continue down the page to another large M365 control it states, "Shared and managed by {Primary Subscriber's Name}."? So if you run into this, you also know you're not the Primary Subscriber.
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I would imagine that those who are individual subscribers to M365 Personal will have a Manage Microsoft 365 Personal button with the renewal date.? It would make no sense for a sharing button to appear for a Personal subscription.
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: Changing to the basic version
I went to Onedrive.com and then to Settings and Account Manager. Here’s what it says about my subscription: SubscriptionsView and manage your Microsoft products and subscriptions View all subscriptions (1) Subscriptions Microsoft 365 Personal Next charge on May 24, 2025, $99.99 plus applicable taxes Manage Microsoft storageThis includes files, photos, attachments, and more across your Microsoft account ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2025 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [M365-Accessibility] Changing to the basic version? That page indicates that the account in use does NOT have an M365 subscription.? It's trying to sell one to you. If you are using OneDrive then open OneDrive Settings, Account Pane, and see what it says about what account is associated with it and whether you have 1TB of space (regardless of what amount of it you've used). Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0) It is much easier to be critical than to be correct. ?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: Changing to the basic version
BTW, if you have M365 Personal, then you can downgrade.
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If you are using a seat that's part of an M365 subscription, and you are not the primary subscriber (that is, someone else has shared a seat with you), you cannot.? The only person that can change the subscription status for an M365 subscription is the primary subscriber (that is, the person that bought it in the first place).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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Re: Changing to the basic version
Konnie,
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That page indicates that the account in use does NOT have an M365 subscription.? It's trying to sell one to you.
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If you are using OneDrive then open OneDrive Settings, Account Pane, and see what it says about what account is associated with it and whether you have 1TB of space (regardless of what amount of it you've used).
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Brian? · ♂? · ???? · ?Virginia, USA?- Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100; M365 Family; Android 13 (Xiaomi HyperOS 1.0.10.0)
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
?????? ~ Benjamin Disraeli, 1804-1881
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