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Re: electrical contact model with bounce

 

how about using a damped sinewave driving a voltage controlled switch?

On 9/1/2012 10:36 AM, John Woodgate wrote:
In message <50420C87.705@...>, dated Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Jack Smith
<Jack.Smith@...> writes:

I believe mercury wetted reed relays show no bounce but it's been 40
years since I had one in my hands so I could well be remembering it
incorrectly.
True, but the use of mercury even in tiny amounts is, in many countries,
severely restricted.

I think the 'non-bouncing' reeds that I remembered have to be switched
with a relatively slowly increasing current, not a pulse.


Re: electrical contact model with bounce

John Woodgate
 

In message <50420C87.705@...>, dated Sat, 1 Sep 2012, Jack Smith <Jack.Smith@...> writes:

I believe mercury wetted reed relays show no bounce but it's been 40 years since I had one in my hands so I could well be remembering it incorrectly.
True, but the use of mercury even in tiny amounts is, in many countries, severely restricted.

I think the 'non-bouncing' reeds that I remembered have to be switched with a relatively slowly increasing current, not a pulse.
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total confusion.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


Re: Arbitrary WaveForm Generator

 

A voltage (or current) source with the PWL (Piece-Wise Linear) option
is the way to generate arbitrary waveforms in the time domain.

A PWL source can load a separate file that has the PWL data.

The format is (time, voltage) or (time, current), the reverse of what
you listed.

Use decimal, not binary data.

If you need to stimulate three sources simultaneously, I think you
need to have three PWL files, one for each.

Andy


Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

--- In LTspice@..., Andy <Andrew.Ingraham@...> wrote:

Helmut wrote:

I have now deleted two the two members below from the group.
...
mr.shigematsu@...
That was the one Shiggy has been using for his email to/from the
group. So unless you CC'd Shiggy directly, he might not know that you
sent him that message.

By the way, I think he had been a member of the group since 2011, so I
don't know what went wrong since then.

Andy
Hello Andy,

I sent him a notice about my action to both emails and got
a "not deliverable" to the other email-address. I had chosen
to make a "master reset", because this thread has become an
endless discussion about nothing. Maybe the language barrier
was too high.

Best regards,
Helmut


Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

Helmut wrote:

I have now deleted two the two members below from the group.
...
mr.shigematsu@...
That was the one Shiggy has been using for his email to/from the
group. So unless you CC'd Shiggy directly, he might not know that you
sent him that message.

By the way, I think he had been a member of the group since 2011, so I
don't know what went wrong since then.

Andy


Re: electrical contact model with bounce

 

I recently looked at a Form A (SPST) Meder SIL05-1A reed relay, normally
open configuration. It has unmistakable contact bounce on make, and the
data sheet spec for make time says "includes bounce." I can send scope
images of the bounce to anyone in doubt.

I believe mercury wetted reed relays show no bounce but it's been 40
years since I had one in my hands so I could well be remembering it
incorrectly.

Jack

On 9/1/2012 8:33 AM, John Woodgate wrote:

In message <k1sjjo+p504@...
<mailto:k1sjjo%2Bp504%40eGroups.com>>, dated Sat, 1 Sep 2012, John
<unobtainium.geo@... <mailto:unobtainium.geo%40yahoo.com>> writes:

I cannot find a model for electrical contacts that simulates bounce. I
do not need a full relay simulation with coils and such. I only want
to model the electrical contacts of a reed relay with bounce.
Old joke: Do reed switches bounce? No, if you drop one, it smashes.

I thought the point of reed switches is that they don't have contact
bounce; the magnetic field sticks the contacts together.
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too
much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into
total confusion.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


Re: electrical contact model with bounce

John Woodgate
 

In message <k1sjjo+p504@...>, dated Sat, 1 Sep 2012, John <unobtainium.geo@...> writes:

I cannot find a model for electrical contacts that simulates bounce. I do not need a full relay simulation with coils and such. I only want to model the electrical contacts of a reed relay with bounce.
Old joke: Do reed switches bounce? No, if you drop one, it smashes.

I thought the point of reed switches is that they don't have contact bounce; the magnetic field sticks the contacts together.
--
OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk
Instead of saying that the government is doing too little, too late or too
much, too early, say they've got is exactly right, thus throwing them into
total confusion.
John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK


Re: electrical contact model with bounce

Tony Casey
 

--- In LTspice@..., "John" <unobtainium.geo@...> wrote:

I cannot find a model for electrical contacts that simulates bounce. I do not need a full relay simulation with coils and such. I only want to model the electrical contacts of a reed relay with bounce.
Hello John,

Not sure where you looked or how hard, but googling "spice contact bounce" led immediately to:



Perhaps that will inspire you.

Regards,
Tony


OT: Yahoo Problems Re: List Addresses Hacked

 

** BEWARE **

This may be old news, but got an e-mail just now purporting to come from Yahoo, to update member information, going to the link, first thing you are asked to do is enter member name / yahoo e-mail & password.

It doesn't come from Yahoo it's a completely different web site, (only need to see what this is in browser's web address line, but don't post the form!)

I.e. it's a phishing scam

Just click Yahoo 'spam' button to dump the e-mail and notify Yahoo.

HTH


Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

Hello Shiggy San,

I have now deleted two the two members below from the group.
I hope this solves your problem.

mr.shigematsu@...
mr1.shigematsu@...

Please make a new membership for the LTspice group. You can make
it even with the same name and email address.

Best regards,
Helmut

--- In LTspice@..., ?????¡§?? <mr.shigematsu@...> wrote:

Hi Helmut-san!

Sorry for my before email.

I will make new regisration.
The the registration of using the mr.shigematsu@... is not permitted
within
90 days, I think.

Shiggy



2012/9/1 ?????¡§?? <mr.shigematsu@...>

Hi Helmut-san!

Thanks your email.

If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.
<---This is my answer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
My address: mr1.shigematsu@...

ID: mr.shigematu or mr.shigematsu@... <--- I think one of two is
correct.
---------------------------------------------------------------

If sossible, I want have new login ID.
And I want to make every information in English

Shiggy



2012/9/1 Helmut <helmutsennewald@...>

**


Hello Shiggy,

I wonder why you make things so complicated. Please delete
all your memberships to the LTspice group.
If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.

After you have deleted all, then simply make a new membership
for the LTspice group.

Best regards,
Helmut
Moderator



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Re: Arbitrary WaveForm Generator

Tony Casey
 

--- In LTspice@..., "yhocom_7" <greg-brenda-nelson@...> wrote:

LTspice,

I need to create an arbitray waveform generator that will be used for simulation. I need to have the discrete steps that a D/A would present to my system. Is it possible to feed a text file(at a specific rate) to a simulation and turn on/off current sources. I need to have several text files(waveforms) to experiment with.

I will "try" and create an example asc file and upload. I will call it AWG.asc

Thanks,

GDN
-----------------------------------------------------------


Example ramp text file for 3 bit D/A.

000 t1
001 t2
010 t3
... tn
111 tn+1
Hello GDN,

You might want to check what the Helpfile says about PWL sources. Additionally, there is a raft of prior art in the files area of the group site:


Regards,
Tony


Re: test circuit for TLV341 voltage reference need help

Tony Casey
 

--- In LTspice@..., "Gandolf" <charlesknouse27@...> wrote:

I have uploaded to MATURIN TEMP folder an .asc for testing a subcircuit I found for the 1.225 volt reference: TLV341.

I can't get it to work right. I'm doing something wrong, probably the order that I have the terminals to the .asy in the circuit, but I can't figure out where I've gone astray.

Help greatly appreciated.

VB, Maturin
Hello Maturin,

I think you mean TLV431, not '341...

You forgot to upload the Vref symbol. I happened to have a symbol for a TL431 I prepared earlier. That did have a different netlist order, so I swapped it over. It didn't work.

Your model shows evidence of having been messed about with, so I quickly gave up, given that there are several working models and test circuits in the files area:


and


Did you not look there first?

Regards,
Tony


electrical contact model with bounce

 

I cannot find a model for electrical contacts that simulates bounce. I do not need a full relay simulation with coils and such. I only want to model the electrical contacts of a reed relay with bounce.


Arbitrary WaveForm Generator

 

LTspice,

I need to create an arbitray waveform generator that will be used for simulation. I need to have the discrete steps that a D/A would present to my system. Is it possible to feed a text file(at a specific rate) to a simulation and turn on/off current sources. I need to have several text files(waveforms) to experiment with.

I will "try" and create an example asc file and upload. I will call it AWG.asc

Thanks,

GDN
-----------------------------------------------------------


Example ramp text file for 3 bit D/A.

000 t1
001 t2
010 t3
... tn
111 tn+1


Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

Hi Helmut-san!

Sorry for my before email.

I will make new regisration.
The the registration of using the mr.shigematsu@... is not permitted
within
90 days, I think.

Shiggy



2012/9/1 ÖØËɺê²ý <mr.shigematsu@...>

Hi Helmut-san!

Thanks your email.

If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.
<---This is my answer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
My address: mr1.shigematsu@...

ID: mr.shigematu or mr.shigematsu@... <--- I think one of two is
correct.
---------------------------------------------------------------

If sossible, I want have new login ID.
And I want to make every information in English

Shiggy



2012/9/1 Helmut <helmutsennewald@...>

**


Hello Shiggy,

I wonder why you make things so complicated. Please delete
all your memberships to the LTspice group.
If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.

After you have deleted all, then simply make a new membership
for the LTspice group.

Best regards,
Helmut
Moderator



Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

Hi Helmut-san!

Thanks your email.

If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.
<---This is my answer.
---------------------------------------------------------------
My address: mr1.shigematsu@...

ID: mr.shigematu or mr.shigematsu@... <--- I think one of two is
correct.
---------------------------------------------------------------

If sossible, I want have new login ID.
And I want to make every information in English

Shiggy



2012/9/1 Helmut <helmutsennewald@...>

**


Hello Shiggy,

I wonder why you make things so complicated. Please delete
all your memberships to the LTspice group.
If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.

After you have deleted all, then simply make a new membership
for the LTspice group.

Best regards,
Helmut
Moderator



Re: need help making Help for diode modeling program work

Gandolf
 

THANKYOU. Did I just learn something about Windows and Help programs LOL?

In any case, I have Help now...LED's, watch out! :)

VB, Maturin

--- In LTspice@..., "Dave" <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Open the folder where you extracted the files too, right click on the
"diodemodelingtool.chm" file and choose properties, click on the "unblock"
button.

Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum



-----Original Message-----
From: LTspice@...
[mailto:LTspice@...] On Behalf Of Gandolf
Sent: 01 September 2012 06:34
To: LTspice@...
Subject: [LTspice] need help making Help for diode modeling
program work


At Tony's marvelous suggestion, I went to:

%20Tools/Diode/

and downloaded the files. I have the program for modeling diodes installed,
and have downloaded the Help file/program, but I can't get the Help to run.
It gives the error message something to the effect that "access to the
webpage has been canceled"

Can anyone help me get this help to work? I didn't cancel anything that I
know of, and I downloaded the Help again and tried to open it a second time,
but not luck.

I did my best to "fly blind" with the program, but it also gave me an error,
saying one of my values was non-computable. Since I had done my best to take
the values right from the datasheet graph, I need the Help to help me figure
out how to make it work.

VB, Maturin



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Yahoo! Groups Links


Re: need help making Help for diode modeling program work

 

Open the folder where you extracted the files too, right click on the
"diodemodelingtool.chm" file and choose properties, click on the "unblock"
button.

Dave Wade G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

-----Original Message-----
From: LTspice@...
[mailto:LTspice@...] On Behalf Of Gandolf
Sent: 01 September 2012 06:34
To: LTspice@...
Subject: [LTspice] need help making Help for diode modeling
program work


At Tony's marvelous suggestion, I went to:

%20Tools/Diode/

and downloaded the files. I have the program for modeling diodes installed,
and have downloaded the Help file/program, but I can't get the Help to run.
It gives the error message something to the effect that "access to the
webpage has been canceled"

Can anyone help me get this help to work? I didn't cancel anything that I
know of, and I downloaded the Help again and tried to open it a second time,
but not luck.

I did my best to "fly blind" with the program, but it also gave me an error,
saying one of my values was non-computable. Since I had done my best to take
the values right from the datasheet graph, I need the Help to help me figure
out how to make it work.

VB, Maturin



------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links


test circuit for TLV341 voltage reference need help

Gandolf
 

I have uploaded to MATURIN TEMP folder an .asc for testing a subcircuit I found for the 1.225 volt reference: TLV341.

I can't get it to work right. I'm doing something wrong, probably the order that I have the terminals to the .asy in the circuit, but I can't figure out where I've gone astray.

Help greatly appreciated.

VB, Maturin


Re: I can not access the File of LTspice.

 

Hello Shiggy,

I wonder why you make things so complicated. Please delete
all your memberships to the LTspice group.
If you don't know how delete that, pelase tell me all your
names you login to the LTspice group and I will do that for you.

After you have deleted all, then simply make a new membership
for the LTspice group.

Best regards,
Helmut
Moderator