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Re: Simple model for diffin-diffout amp


 

I'm not sure I understand

How do you model offset?
I model it by adding a DC source in series with the In+ or IN- gate. some value between 100uV and 10mV depending on the expected mismatch of the input pair.

Model PSRR requires that you model the power supply, which a simple G/R model does not have, also the typical sources of non-ideal opamp performance that results in power supply variation transferring to the output signal neesd to be correctly modeled. simple things like the variations in current sources with power supply voltage, the correct model for this depends on weather you cascode the mirrors or not.

Same thing with Cmrr? A differential G with perfect R load has infinite CMRR, modeling CMRR requires that you include errors that cause CMRR. in your model. This requires some knowledge of the Input pair type and the cascode bias levels.

BTW most commercial device level spice models are very badly written. I mean VERY BADLY written. so they are unlikely to include these effects, heck Microchips opamp models usually don't even converge properly.

The Microchip opamp spic models are very complex and attempt to model all types of errors and their Temp variations, but in the end these models cause convergence problems, so what is the point of a complex model that causes beginners convergence problems. Convergence can be hard for experienced spice users to solve, so it is the last thing that beginners need.

So if you want to see some complex models go to Microchip and download some of their spice models.

regards
Robert

--- In LTspice@..., Ganesan <dg1@...> wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions.. I will get back in a few days..
My more complicated models which I did not post are Gm and R based..
However my most complicated model seems to be much simpler than what is
commercially available? They also have a disclaimer that they don't
model offset, psrr, cmrr etc.? What gives..
This question still remains unanswered..
Cheers
ag

> > --- In LTspice@... <mailto:LTspice%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Apparajan" <dg1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have uploaded my model
> > > Temp-->File-->>E_model_for_diffamp.asc
> > > It is a very simple model that models the differential and common
mode loop gains. I have other more complicated models that model
slew-rate, bandwidth, etc. However my most complicated model seems to be
much simpler than what is commercially available? They also have a
disclimer that they don't model offset, psrr, cmrr etc.? What gives...
> > >



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