How come that I can run the simulation, which gives credible
results?
Le 18/02/2025 ¨¤ 16:16, Andy I via
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There is 26.5 V across
the 12.6 V heater, but the current is not too excessive,
so, yes, the model is suspect. But there are other issues,
some related to the heater perhaps. But it's a weird
circuit anyway, including a valve/tube/ a FET and an IC.
I don't know if you all missed what I wrote yesterday.? Yes,
there is 26.6 V across the heater, but wait.? The current flows
BACKWARDS.? It flows OUT of the heater.? The heater in this
simulation GENERATES power!? It should consume power.
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Without UIC:
Normal solver -> 26.6 V @ -166 mA (166 mA flowing
BACKWARDS out of the heater).
Alternate solver -> 266 V @ -166 mA (166 mA flowing
BACKWARDS out of the heater).
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Almost all of that backwards current flows through R4, which
is why R4's current looks backwards.? The
heater in this simulation is an energy source, acting like a
battery, generating 4.4 Watts out of nowhere and powering the
rest of the circuit.
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With UIC, and no other changes:
Normal solver -> 1.165 V @ 186 mA into the heater.?
That's somewhat better.? But still not right.
Alternate solver -> 1.165 V @ 186 mA into the heater.
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It must be noted that the heater's model
in your 12AU7 model has loooong time-constants,
and a 10 ms simulation simply will not do.? Continuing the
simulation for 60 seconds:
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Without UIC:
No change, with either solver.? Stays at 26.6 V and -166 mA
indefinitely.? The heater still magically generates power.? No
good.
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With UIC and no other changes:
The heater's voltage has a damped oscillation, which
eventually settles.? After 60 seconds:
Normal or Alternate solver -> 5.9 V @ 149 mA into the
heater.
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IIRC, a 12AU7's nominal heater voltage is supposed to be
12.6 volts (hence the "12" in the part number), so this is way
below normal, and I doubt that the part works right.? Was your
circuit supposed to provide the 12AU7's heater with the right
voltage (12.6 V)?
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I think the heater model inside that 12AU7 model is
questionable, and borderline bad.? It has multiple stable
operating points, at least when coupled with the rest of your
circuit.? Stable operating points means intersections between
the 12AU7 heater's I/V curve and the I/V curve of rest of the
circuit.? Even worse, at least one of those stable operating
points is nonsensical, where the 12AU7's heater generates
energy from (very) thin air.? A decent model "should never"
stray into that region, not even for a millisecond.? But it
does, which makes this model questionable.
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If you were to continue using this model, with UIC, to save
time you ought to add some initial settings (IC= or .IC) to
try to get the heater up to its normal operating point without
needing to run very long simulations every time to get there.?
It would be a pain to run simulations for 60 seconds (lasting
minutes in real time) just to see a few milliseconds of
signals.
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Andy
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