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Here is a news item from Wladyslaw which I will abbreviate hugely due to lack of time. If anybody wishes to make a fuller translation that would be appreciated. "Authorities have uncovered evidence of a mass grave of Polish officers executed by the NKVD (Soviet internal security police) in the Bykowni forest near Kiev. Found were remains of shoes, uniforms and personal effects as well as railwaymen's uniforms. Polish experts are investigating the site with a view to deciding whether to create a symbolic memorial to the officers there or continue further exhumations. It is estimated that 20,000 - 100,000 victims of the NKVD may be buried there in mass graves." -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Please welcome Barbara Proko to the group. I would like to invite some of the earlier members who have not yet done so, to put a little bit about themselves out to the group just so we can get to know each other. (It just might get you some surprising information or ideas as well!) -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Please welcome Ted to the group. What an astounding and moving story, Ted, thank you for sharing it with us. I always believed that it was the mothers who were the most amazing heroes of this deportation, especially as many of them had to take their families forward without their husbands (my own grandfather died in Aktiubinsk (Uzbekistan) on the train route out of Siberia). I am doubly impressed by "Kosmopolitanczykiewiczówna" (did I put the ó in the right place?). I think the word may refer to the unwed daughter of Mr Kosmopolitanczykiewicz, may it not? -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Hello Wanda This blank message has just came on to the list. Are you having some trouble with an e-mail? Stefan -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

Sorry Stefan!

I have one photo that my grandmother received from her sister, dated 1947 with the message "Greetings from Siberia." It is a small portrait of the sister with her daughters. This photo was my only clue to that family's existence. I would be very happy to share it online. Maybe somehow it will yield more clues that way. Many thanks for the kind offer, Barbara Proko _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

If anyone has scanned photographs they wish to appear on the ForgottenOdyssey web site, please email them to me with a few words on people/places/dates etc. for a caption and I'll start to post them on the site. Thanks Steve steve@... grace@... wrote:

Thanks Janie I will forward your photo to Steve for the websites, and your story to the group - in case anybody has some other connections with Leonard or Karol. Regards, Stefan ----------

Hi Barbara, Thanks for your photos. I think that Steve will be able to put the photos on the sites in the next few days. Meanwhile, they should be openable from your message posting on our website. The girl's name that was cut off on the inscription is Jadzia (short for Jadwiga, from the German "Hedwig", and after the Polish Queen who married Lithuanian King Jagiello to unite Poland and Lithuania into a commonwealth). I am forwarding your information about your family to the group, with the request that anybody who can provide some further information them or on what may have happened to them. any theories folks? Good luck, -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ----------

Please welcome another Aussie to the group. Have you all had a chance to see the Australian Immigration Department's website book about one group of Sybiracy refugees that came here? http://www.immi.gov.au/research/publications/langfitt/index.htm Regards, Stefan -- I would like to introduce myself to the Group. My name is Barbara Johnson (Kuriata), I live in Perth Western Australia and both of my parents and their parents were sent to Siberia during the Second World War. We have a very strong Polish Community here in Perth with a strong Siberian Group called Kolo Sybiraków. My Aunt is a keen member and has fuelled my interest. I am looking forward to receiving and sharing information about our people in Poland, Siberia and later. Regards BJ Barbara B Johnson Senior Records Officer Records Management Services Edith Cowan University Telephone: +61 8 9273 8261 Mobile: +61 409 371 800 E-mail: b.johnson@...

Dear Colleauges, I came across this web page, whilst searching for some of my surnames, and felt it consistent with the group. Title: "Wykaz czesci majatkow polskich w Republice Litewskiej 1919-1939 http://www.uni.torun.pl/~zenkiewicz/Publikacja/wykaz.html It is an alphabetic site, in Polish only. The site is part of the holdings in the University of Torun..follow the links some of which are in English..you may find an ancestor who was an authour..I do believe that the University does have further information on the Kresy/Belarus area... Good Luck Kind Regards Bogdan ..(Derby, East Midlands UK)

hello. Please read the story on my family's reunion in Poland this summer in your Sunday paper Parade magazine November 18th! This summer we had a reunion within a reunion with the Dabrowski family we never knew we had! my fathers 2 sons from his first marriage he never mentioned!my late fathers sister (79) from Drawsko Pomorskie who found out for the first time her brother Romuald had 2 sons living in Poland! 1 daughter in the USA and another son and a daughter living in Israel.I found and met most of my 18 new family members in Poland between Wroclaw, Pilchowice, Sczezin and Drawsko Pomorskie. Nadia Larsen Tucson Arizona. By the way one of my brothers ,Michal, the one our father never got to meet as he was arrested beforehand, desperately needs a new pacemaker, my mission is to have Medtronic donate a pacemaker for him!

Hoover Institution - East European section Dear all I am passing on a very kind note from Irena Czernichowska that she is alive and well at the Hoover Institution - East European section. As you know, that is where the various war-time collections of the Polish Armed Forces in the East (Anders Army) and the Polish Government-in-Exile and various Embassy files were archived to protect them during the Communist years. This is not dry historical data - the holdings are fantastic, including files on deportees stories, letters, even refugee children's school essays. The Poles that survived the Soviet repression insisted on documenting their horrific experiences for posterity. That's us! I will follow Irene's note with a longer explanatory comment on the Hoover materials. For those new to the list who are interested, get yourself a cup of coffee and read this through. I have put it here in the hope that the richness of this material about the Siberian deportees and their experiences fires some of us with the enthusiasm to spend some time at Stanford or in correspondence with them to bring these experiences back to life. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia ---------- > From: "Czernichowska, Irene " > Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 10:05:45 -0800 > To: Stefan Wisniowski > Subject: Re: Hello! > > Dear Stefan and others, > I am here, overloaded with new responsibilities, and yes, it is due to > some changes here. I feel very guilty about not responding to people, and > hope that things will stabilize soon so that I could go back to my favorite > subjects, and to continuation of my correspondences with real people. > I hope it will be soon. > Don't give up on me! > Irena > Here is the explanatory material I promised. - Stefan. Hoover Institution Archives Contact Information Hoover Institution Archives Stanford University Stanford, California 94305-6010 Phone: (650) 723-3563 Fax: (650) 725-3445 Email: archives@... Three significant holdings: 1. Poland. Ambasada (Soviet Union) Records, 1941-1944 2. Poland. Ministerstwo Informacji i Dokumentacji Records, 1939-1945 3. Wladyslaw Anders Papers, 1939-1946 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. Poland. Ambasada (Soviet Union), 1941-1944 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Abstract. Reports, correspondence, accounts, lists, testimonies, questionnaires, certificates, petitions, card files, maps, circulars, graphs, protocols, and clippings, relating to World War II, the Soviet occupation of Poland, the Polish-Soviet military and diplomatic agreements of 1941, the re-establishment of the Polish embassy in Moscow, Polish prisoners of war in the Soviet Union, deportations of Polish citizens to the Soviet Union, labor camps and settlements, relief work by the Polish social welfare department delegations among the deportees, the Polish armed forces formed in the Soviet Union, evacuation of Polish citizens to the Middle East, the Katyn massacre of Polish officers, and the breakdown of Polish-Soviet relations in 1943. Includes material on the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Soviet government, 1928-1929. Biography. Polish-Soviet diplomatic relations were severed with the Soviet occupation of Eastern Poland on September 17, 1939. After the German invasion of the USSR in June 1941, however, the Soviet government re-established diplomatic relations with the Polish government, then in exile in London. An agreement was signed on July 30, 1941, followed by a military accord on August 14. The Poles were allowed to re-establish an Embassy in Moscow, to form an army on Soviet territory for the common struggle against Germany, and to set up a network of Polish citizens deported to the USSR in 1939-1941. Friction soon developed in several areas, leading to an eventual break in diplomatic relations. Of particular concern to the Polish government were the Polish deportees, many of whom were forced to accept Soviet rather than Polish citizenship. The activities of the Polish social welfare workers awoke the suspicions of the So

I've just finished watching the film that Linder has kindly sent me It's a very good account of what happened and I shall pass it on to others that went through the Odyssey There is a Mrs. Somhjanc that would be interested in this as her and her husband went throught that hell at a very young ages. It was well worth watching Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Today at the 11th hour the Great War ended and Poland got her Independence HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY Paul ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Home page; www.havers-family.co.uk Eastern Borderlands of II RP; www.kresy.co.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This message has been checked for all known Viruses ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some group members may be interested in the news that Jan Gross's book "Neighbors" has been nominated to win the 2001 National Book Award. The decision will be made on November 14, 2001. I'm sure all listers have their own opinions on this book, and it is not appropriate for us to use this list to discuss them. However, as a service to members interested in Polish history who might like to express their opinion about this book to the awards jury, they should do so by e-mail or fax (you would have to act now). Here is the information. National Book Foundation 95 Madison Avenue, Suite 709 New York, NY 10016 Phone 1 (212) 685-0261 Fax 1 (212) 213-6570 E-mail: natbkfdn@... List of nominations: http://www.publishersweekly.com/nbf/docs/nba01_final_nonfict.html -- Stefan

Dear Jan and group, Thank you for expressing my sentiments exactly. For years I wondered what makes the Poles different from the Jews? Why does everyone know their story and absolutely no one knows our story? Recently I have been corresponding with someone who has helped me understand this multi-faceted question a little bit better. Jan, the deportees who were fortunate enough to survive immigrated all over the world, including the US (my father and his siblings), Canada, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Poland, Israel, and I am sure other countries. I agree with you that the Holocaust Museum is not the place for us.

JR and list, Sorry, I was not finished with my other post. I was going to add more about the Museum, which I will at a later time. I feel it was inappropriate to tout Neighbors as an award nominee on this list. This is my opinion, Stefan. I have not read the book but have read many rebuttal articles regarding it. The subject matter of the book is highly inflammatory, controversial, and it seems to me also, JR, that much of it is untrue from what I have read. Eve Jankowicz New Jersey, USA

Greetings listers, Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements) that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? Since many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of these places. It would also be nice to know exactly which osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a miracle to find this out! Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site, but it is not all inclusive. It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was next to the osada or village in question, one may never be able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. I am fortunate in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth. It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near Brody. The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940. Of course, you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this list. My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn. I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the US, the county extension agent. His job was to inform local farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific problems related to farming. We both like to think our grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that they did. I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine, "Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs my help?" Eve Jankowicz New Jersey, USA

Question for the group, Now that we are nearing 50 members, this is feeling like a bit of a critical mass. What should we do together to advance our cause? Some similar groups adopt one or more special projects. Like a registry of names, a petition, a memorial fund or a museum. I have a specific suggestion and would like to get your reactions please. I suggest that we might start by collaborating on a website that would be especially useful for new members as they discover us and want to learn more about this tragic yet heroic event. Several members have their own sites already (Paul, Wladyslaw, Janusz, Chris, Janek, to name a few). These are all hotlinked through to AForgottenOdyssey.com site that Steve Roy helped me put together in record time to publicise Jagna Wright's fantastic film. This site is "version 1". We can make it better with your feedback and input. For example, we should have a "gallery" of photographs. If we got organised, we would put together a list of FAQs (frequently asked questions) like on the better genealogy sites (eg, who did this to the Poles, why, who was taken, where, when, where can I get more info, was there ever compensation, what happened to Polish citizenship when the land was lost, etc.). Also we could have a list of resources for information (Hoover Institution, Polish Memorial Committee in Moscow, Karta archives, Sikorski Institute, Zwiazek Sybiraków, Polish Embassy in Teheran, etc.) as well as recommended books on the topic. Though I am happy to be a point person to coordinate this type of activity, I can not do all of this alone, and "many hands make light work". Would anybody care to offer their help in putting some of these things together? The only qualification required is a desire to contribute and help others who share our quest. -- Stefan Wisniowski Moderator, Kresy-Siberia