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Greetings listers,
Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland
ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? ?Since
many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the
Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of
these places. ?It would also be nice to know exactly which
osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated
into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a
miracle to find this out!
Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his
best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
but it is not all inclusive.
It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was
next to the osada or village in question, one may never be
able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. ?I am fortunate
in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth. ?
It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near
Brody. ??The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported
from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940. ?Of course,
you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this
list. ?My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn.
I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the
US, the county extension agent. ?His job was to inform local
farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific
problems related to farming. ?We both like to think our
grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that
they did. ?I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine,
"Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs
my help?" ??
Eve Jankowicz
New Jersey, USA
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Building on Ewa's letter, I would think that the old "association of osadnicy" may have had an archive in the Polish national archives somewhere - and it would probably have the list of osady, maps, etc. ?
Perhaps Elzunia Olssen can ask her Mum (who is connected to the Association of the Families of the Borderland Settlers) about the name of the old association of settlers. ?Also, the 2nd Republic Polish government would have had files on the land grants, and they may have been preserved in the national archives in Warsaw. ?
Can anybody suggest a way to move forward with this?
Stefan
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From: Eve5J@...
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:41:33 EST
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] Pre-War List of Osada in Kresy
Greetings listers,
Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland
ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? ?Since
many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the
Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of
these places. ?It would also be nice to know exactly which
osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated
into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a
miracle to find this out!
Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his
best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
but it is not all inclusive.
It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was
next to the osada or village in question, one may never be
able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. ?I am fortunate
in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth. ?
It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near
Brody. ??The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported
from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940. ?Of course,
you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this
list. ?My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn.
I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the
US, the county extension agent. ?His job was to inform local
farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific
problems related to farming. ?We both like to think our
grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that
they did. ?I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine,
"Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs
my help?" ??
Eve Jankowicz
New Jersey, USA
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Eve
I have some more names of "Osady" to add to the web page, but as I've been
neglecting the family page for a while and concentrating on the Kresy pages
I feel that I have to devote a bit more of my time to the other page and
bring it up to date. Unfortunately the updates to Kresy pages will be put
on hold for a few weeks, unless something extremely important is needed. I
do believe(but don't quote me on it) that the "Archiwum Akt Zabuzanskich"
in Warsaw might be of help in this case. They have all the documents from
the Borderlands areas that the Soviets "graciously" returned to Poland.
Additionally some information is in the ABAP Archives in Krakow (
) they might be worth a stab
in the dark for information. The only hiccup that I can foresee is the cost
of research in those Archives, I would suggest using someone like PIAST in
Warsaw as he's very reasonable in his fees.
Majority of the "Osady" have been either destroyed by the Soviets/Germans
or in the later stages by the UPA during their reign of terror, so finding
any info on the ones that have been obliterated is proving almost
impossible. I'm getting some nasty emails from the Ukrainian circles as
they don't seem to like the content of my pages and are trying to install
on me their home grown "truth". (Even had a hacker try to destroy my
pages). They don't wish to acknowledge the existence of those settlements
that were destroyed and the surviving ones have been "Ukranised".
Paul
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The Skorowidz Miejscowosci Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej has census
material from 1921 and provides a listing of locations in eastern Poland
in 1921. One of its categories is osada. I doubt that this is the
same as what you're seeking. It may be useful though. It is available from
the LDS library, film # 804242. It provides only population totals, with
gender, ethnic, and religious breakdowns in Polish. No data for individuals
or families are given in the film.
Tom
Eve5J@... wrote:
Greetings
listers,
Does anyone know whether
or not the Government of Poland
ever compiled a complete
list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
that were in existence prior
to the start of World War II?? Since
many osada were totally
destroyed during the War or by the
Soviets, I would hate to
think that there is no official record of
these places.? It would
also be nice to know exactly which
osada were destroyed and
which (hopefully) were incorporated
into the villages that they
were next to, but I know it would be a
miracle to find this out!
Paul Havers, also a member
of our group, has put forth his
best effort as always, and
has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
but it is not all inclusive.
It occurred to me that if
one does not know which village was
next to the osada or village
in question, one may never be
able to locate the place,
which is truly horrible.? I am fortunate
in that I do know the name
of the place of my father's birth.
It was Hallerczyn, next
to the village of Wysocko, which is near
Brody.?? The Wisniowski
and Jesionka families were deported
from Brody on the same day,
10 February 1940.? Of course,
you all know Stefan Wisniowski,
who is the moderator of this
list.? My grandfather
Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn.
I think Stefan's grandfather
was similar to what we call in the
US, the county extension
agent.? His job was to inform local
farmers of the newest methods
or to help them with specific
problems related to farming.?
We both like to think our
grandfathers knew one another,
and I am fairly certain that
they did.? I can imagine
Stefan's grandfather asking mine,
"Maks, from what you've
seen of the crops, who needs
my help?"
Eve Jankowicz
New Jersey, USA
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Thanks Tom (and Glenda?)
Osada is exactly what we are looking for, and hopefully the film will yield a full list. ?Of course, some osadas could have been established after 1921, so the list may not be "final".
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Stefan
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From: Glenda Sajwaj
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Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:46:22 -0500
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] Pre-War List of Osada in Kresy
The Skorowidz Miejscowosci Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej has census material from 1921 and provides a listing of locations in eastern Poland in 1921. One of its categories is osada. I doubt that this is the same as what you're seeking. It may be useful though. It is available from the LDS library, film # 804242. It provides only population totals, with gender, ethnic, and religious breakdowns in Polish. No data for individuals or families are given in the film.
Tom
Eve5J@... wrote:
Greetings listers,
Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland
ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? ?Since
many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the
Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of
these places. ?It would also be nice to know exactly which
osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated
into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a
miracle to find this out!
Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his
best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
but it is not all inclusive.
It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was
next to the osada or village in question, one may never be
able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. ?I am fortunate
in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth.
It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near
Brody. ??The Wisniowski and Jesionka families were deported
from Brody on the same day, 10 February 1940. ?Of course,
you all know Stefan Wisniowski, who is the moderator of this
list. ?My grandfather Maksymilian owned the mill in Hallerczyn.
I think Stefan's grandfather was similar to what we call in the
US, the county extension agent. ?His job was to inform local
farmers of the newest methods or to help them with specific
problems related to farming. We both like to think our
grandfathers knew one another, and I am fairly certain that
they did. ?I can imagine Stefan's grandfather asking mine,
"Maks, from what you've seen of the crops, who needs
my help?"
Eve Jankowicz
New Jersey, USA
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Paul and Tom,
Thanks for your help. ?You've given a starting point. ?This will
help with what Jan said as well, for how can we recognize our
families and their common plight if some of us don't know
where they were born or can't locate it on a map?
I was ecstatic when Paul put HALLERCZYN on his Kresy site.
Eve Jankowicz
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Eve
I have some more names of "Osady" to add to the web page, but as I've been
neglecting the family page for a while and concentrating on the Kresy pages
I feel that I have to devote a bit more of my time to the other page and
bring it up to date. Unfortunately the updates to Kresy pages will be put
on hold for a few weeks, unless something extremely important is needed. I
do believe(but don't quote me on it) that the "Archiwum Akt Zabuzanskich"
in Warsaw might be of help in this case. They have all the documents from
the Borderlands areas that the Soviets "graciously" returned to Poland.
Additionally some information is in the ABAP Archives in Krakow (
http://www.havers-family.co.uk/archives.html ) they might be worth a stab
in the dark for information. The only hiccup that I can foresee is the cost
of research in those Archives, I would suggest using someone like PIAST in
Warsaw as he's very reasonable in his fees.
Majority of the "Osady" have been either destroyed by the Soviets/Germans
or in the later stages by the UPA during their reign of terror, so finding
any info on the ones that have been obliterated is proving almost
impossible. I'm getting some nasty emails from the Ukrainian circles as
they don't seem to like the content of my pages and are trying to install
on me their home grown "truth". (Even had a hacker try to destroy my
pages). They don't wish to acknowledge the existence of those settlements
that were destroyed and the surviving ones have been "Ukranised".
Paul
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??Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:46:22 -0500
??From: Glenda Sajwaj
Subject: Re: Pre-War List of Osada in Kresy
The Skorowidz Miejscowosci Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej has census material
from 1921 and provides a listing of locations in eastern Poland in 1921.
One of its categories is osada. I doubt that this is the same as what
you're seeking. It may be useful though. It is available from the LDS
library, film # 804242. It provides only population totals, with gender,
ethnic, and religious breakdowns in Polish. No data for individuals or
families are given in the film.
Tom
Eve5J@... wrote:
> Greetings listers,
>
> Does anyone know whether or not the Government of Poland
> ever compiled a complete list of all Kresy osada (settlements)
> that were in existence prior to the start of World War II? ?Since
> many osada were totally destroyed during the War or by the
> Soviets, I would hate to think that there is no official record of
> these places. ?It would also be nice to know exactly which
> osada were destroyed and which (hopefully) were incorporated
> into the villages that they were next to, but I know it would be a
> miracle to find this out!
>
> Paul Havers, also a member of our group, has put forth his
> best effort as always, and has a list of osada on his Kresy site,
> but it is not all inclusive.
>
> It occurred to me that if one does not know which village was
> next to the osada or village in question, one may never be
> able to locate the place, which is truly horrible. ?I am fortunate
> in that I do know the name of the place of my father's birth.
> It was Hallerczyn, next to the village of Wysocko, which is near
> Brody. ??
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