you tube - A JEDNAK POLSKA 1918-1921 and WYMARSZ (1988) about Pilsudski (Marchlewski region - Riga Treaty Line 1921)
Dear group ? Old historical footage of Poland and Pilsudski? on You-tube. – sorry to inform that these videos are in the Polish language, but the photos and movies tell their own story. ? fascinating video ?- A JEDNAK POLSKA 1918 – 1921 ? And ?- ??WYMARSZ (1988) - ??Published on Nov 20, 2012 ?- a Polish documentary starting with modern day footage and going into historic film and photos with commentary about LEGIONACH PILSUDSKIEGO. .? ??My grandfather knew Pilsudski and on his recommendation, settled in the Marchlewsk Region, which is now (recently) being used as study material for modern day schools. ? Regards, Lenarda, Sydney, Australia ? ?
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Execution by Hunger: The Hidden Holocaust (was Gulag related book choice WSJ)
Execution by Hunger:
The Hidden Holocaust
By Miron Dolot (1985) – my mother Helena Chmielewska (Polish) born 1924, lived through this, in the village of Janinowka pre Kolkhoz (collective farm) when it ?was Malopolska extending all the way to Kiev, ?until the Riga Treaty line of 1921 and then they were trapped on Soviet soil.? Her mother ?Kamila would feed and bury the starving 1931-1933 and her brother Kamilo born 1921, his grandson, Grzesiek Chmielewski a journalist at the time wrote of this story, through the eyes of his grandfather in the village of Niwka, for the Anniversary of the Holodomor or Wielki Glod na Ukraina, ????collectivization and THE FAILED MARCHLEWSCZYZNA EXPERIMENT dissolved in 1935, with her father Mikolaj/Nikolai Chmielewski being taken by NKVD 1937 and the family house dismantled and moved 10k north 1938, with all their lands and animals confiscated, leaving a mother and her children to work the Kolkhoz, with no male threat to the Soviet system. Already in 1933, was deported 600 families ?to Kazakhstan from Marchlewsk.? After the failure of the experiment, a liquidation order was put on all Polish people in that region, because they were considered to be too spirited and true to their own culture and would not embrace Communism or convert to the Soviet way. Those who remained were forbidden own language or religion and forced to speak Russian/Ukrainian and the only holidays were Soviet Holidays, with the now extinct Sundays being used to force everyone on the streets to clean the village or shovel snow. ?Free thinking was forbidden, you did as you were told and anyone breaking these rules by speaking against the system, speaking their own language, praying to God or even crying was punished or death or deportation or prison, even grinding your own flour was forbidden. ?Sickness or failure to work was punished with more hard work, imprisoning the offenders who were given hard labour of building a Strassa (main road) going past the village, ?for use by tanks and trucks. Regards, Lenarda, Australia ? ?
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Sent: Monday, 06 May, 2013 5:55 AM
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Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Fw: Gulag related book choice WSJ? ? ?
Dear Folks,
The Saturday May 4th edition of the Wall Street Journal had an article under the book section by David Satter? on life in the Soviet police state. (These are his Five Best: A Personal Choice) Mr. Satter is the author of, most recently, 'It Was a Long Time Ago, and It Never Happened Anyway: Russia and the Communist Past.' The book choices sound intriguing especially in light of our Polish Siberian past.
Rich Widerynski, Long Beach, California
Kolyma Tales
By Varlam Shalamov (1980)
1 The Kolyma region, the coldest area in the Northern Hemisphere, was the cruelest outpost of the Soviet Gulag. Varlam Shalamov, a young journalist, was arrested in 1937 and spent 17 years there. His short stories are the definitive chronicle of those camps. Each is devoted to a single incident told in the voice of an emotionally detached observer. On the edge of death, all human traits are lost, and everything is focused on physical survival, but this is treated by Shalamov as completely normal. In "An American Connection," a group of starving prisoners attack a barrel of grease intended for a bulldozer. They finish off half the barrel before guards arrive. In another story, two prisoners escape from a camp at night and go to a burial site, searching for a fresh corpse from which to steal the underwear. Shalamov's dispassionate narrative and his often lyrical descriptions of Siberian nature give his stories the mesmerizing quality of a message from another world. As Shalamov said: "If you don't believe it, take it as a fairy tale."
Landmarks
By Nikolai Berdyaev, et. al (1909)
2 The year was 1909. Terrorists were murdering not only czarist ministers but provincial officials and police. It was in this atmosphere that "Landmarks" was published in Moscow. The contributors, all of them Russian Orthodox believers, called on the intelligentsia to reject materialist moral relativism and return to religion as a means of grounding the individual. Their essays, with stunning foresight, described all of the characteristics of the coming Soviet state. The religious philosopher Nikolai Berdyaev explained the roots of its contempt for the individual. He said that the revolutionary intelligentsia hungered for a universal theory but was only prepared to accept one that justified their social aspirations. This meant the denial of man's absolute significance and the total subordination of spiritual values to social goals. Bogdan Kistyakovsky wrote that the intelligentsia's predilection for formalism and bureaucracy and its faith in the omnipotence of rules were the makings of a police state. A hundred years later these essays are still among the best arguments ever made against revolutionary fanaticism, political "correctness" and the drive to create "heaven on earth."
The Russian Tradition
By Tibor Szamuely (1974)
3 Tibor Szamuely, the nephew of a leading Hungarian communist, died in 1972 at the age of 47. In this work, completed just before his death, Szamuely explains Russia's historical development. He traces the beginning of the unlimited powers wielded by Russian rulers to Ivan IV. In 1570, Ivan sacked Novgorod, Russia's leading trading city, after inexplicably becoming doubtful of its loyalty. For sustained sadism and savagery what happened there resembles the rape of Nanking by the Japanese 400 years later, with the exception that it was carried out by the country's own ruler. Under Ivan, the only rights were those of the state. Peasants were progressively bound to the land. The Russian church accepted the fusion of political and religious authority in the person of the czar. After the fall of Byzantium, the tsars, as the heads of the only surviving Orthodox state, treated Moscow as the "Third Rome" and began to claim world-wide moral and political leadership. This claim, in turn, was supported by the Russian people, who saw in it justification for their enslaved condition. Communism was supposed to be totally new, but as Szamuely so eloquently demonstrated, it merely modernized the brutal Russian state tradition.
Execution by Hunger:
The Hidden Holocaust
By Miron Dolot (1985)
4 Almost no eyewitness accounts have been left behind about the deliberate starvation of seven million people, roughly half of them Ukrainians, in the famine that followed the collectivization of Soviet agriculture. The outstanding exception is this work by the émigré Miron Dolot, a teenager during the famine, who describes in riveting prose the fate of his village in the Cherkasy region of Ukraine. To carry out collectivization, the Soviet leadership arrested village leaders and warned farmers that if they did not obey, they would be eliminated as "enemies of the people." Despite the chaos introduced into agricultural life, the quotas for grain deliveries to the state were not decreased. The farmers tried to hide food, but officials went from house to house. Roadblocks were set up, and farmers were imprisoned in their villages. They slowly died there, some convinced that their deaths were a well-deserved punishment from God for supporting the communist revolution. In March 1933, the famine reached its climax. Doors were bolted against cannibals. The frozen bodies of villagers were everywhere. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union exported 1.5 million tons of grain, enough to feed all those who perished.
The Seven Days of Creation
By Vladimir Maximov (1971)
5 In this novel about seven decades and three generations of one family, Maximov sets out to show what the Soviet experience meant for ordinary people, whose speech he had a rare gift for capturing. In one scene, Pyotr Lashkov, the patriarch of the clan and a dedicated communist in his youth, tries in vain to reach out to his long-lost alcoholic brother. "We could have managed," that brother says, "only you wouldn't let us. You nannied us to death, you and your bogeymen. . . . And when the time comes to die a man realizes he's been going arse backward all his life driven by the lot of you." Vadim Lashkov, Pyotr's grandson, the first Lashkov to revolt, is put in a mental hospital, where a fellow prisoner advises him: "If ever you think of trying to escape, the search will be thorough, very thorough. And they'll find you. They have to. Not because you're dangerous in yourself. Not at all! Simply because by now you've found out a little more than ordinary mortals are supposed to know." The tales of misguided ideas and broken fates are divided into six sections. The first six are "days of creation." Fittingly, the seventh day, "the day of resurrection and hope," is blank.
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Another Monte Cassino soldier passed away: Walter Liszewski
My sympathy to the Liszewski Family on passing of Walter, soldier of the 2nd Polish Corps as from another brother in arms.
Romuald Lipinski
12 Podolski Lancers Regt.
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WALTER LISZEWSKI HOBART, IN Walter Liszewski, age 99 of Hobart, died April 29, 2013. He was born in Guty, Poland on April 17, 1914 and came to the United States in 1950. He fought valiantly with the Allied Forces in Europe, including the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. He retired from U.S. Steel, Gary Works. Walter lived in Hobart for 57 years with Lillian, his beloved wife of 61 years, who preceded him in death. He is survived by three daughters: Christine Liszewski of Chicago, Alice Liszewski of Hobart and Marilyn (Steve) Carter of Indianapolis, IN;
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Deportations from Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, to the Urals
Dear Halina
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I am truly grateful for the links you have sent me.? I wonder if Jozefa Chocian or your grandparents knew my family, although it is probably unlikely.
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With regard to the Metryka Zgonu for my grandfather, I have inherited it from my late father.? It was originally?in my grandmother's?possession until she died.? I can only presume that my grandmother and her 3 sons had already enlisted with the Polish?Army when my grandfather died so his death was recorded.?How my grandmother acquired the photo I have no idea.? I wish I could?be more helpful.??
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With very best regards
?
Barbara Ryszkowska, London UK
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Barbara Alison
Songwriter
Website:
Web Page:
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From: halinamcd
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 22:38
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: Deportations from Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, to the Urals
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Barbara You will find details of where your Ryszkowski family was deported to here: Edmund Ryszkowski Waclawa Ryszkowska Czeslaw Ryszkowski Mieczyslaw Ryszkowski Wladyslaw Ryszkowski Jozefa Chocian, the mother of Kresy-Siberia group member, Basia Glinski, was deported to the same labour camp as the Ryszkowski family – Stiepanowka. May I ask where you obtained the Metryka Zgonu for Mieczyslaw Ryszkowski? My grandparents Jozef and Ewa Lis died in Czirakczi in Feb 1942, leaving my father and aunt orphaned. If not for soldiers from the 18th Regiment 6LDP under the command of Major Jan Lachowicz, who collected orphaned Polish children from the region around Czirakczi and transported them out of the USSR in March 1942, my father and aunt may have languished in a Russian orphanage for the rest of their lives. We have no documents for the deaths of Jozef and Ewa and understood that only the deaths
of those who enlisted in the Polish Army were recorded. Kind regards Halina (NZ) --- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, "Barbara" wrote: > > Dear Group > > Hope you can help me. I am trying to find out the name of the place in the Urals where my father and his family were deported by the Russians. My father Wladyslaw Ryszkowski, his two brothers Czeslaw and Edmund, and his parents Mieczyslaw and Waclawa, were living in Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, where my grandfather was a Forest Ranger (Lesniczy). > > They were one of the first families in the area to be arrested by the Russians and were deported in February 1940. As far as I know they ended up working in forests chopping down trees.(Oh, how I wish I listened to the details when my father
spoke about his experiences). It would also be interesting to know the route that they travelled along towards their Gehenna. > > My grandfather died in March 1942 from Typhoid (Tyfus Plamisty)and is buried in Czerakczi, Uzbekistan. My grandmother and her 3 sons survived, > joined the Polish Army and travelled to Teheran. > > Would be grateful for any information you can give me. > > Best regards > > Barbara Alison Ryszkowska > London, UK >
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Another Monte Cassino soldier passed away: Walter Liszewski
WALTER LISZEWSKI HOBART, IN Walter Liszewski, age 99 of Hobart, died April 29, 2013. He was born in Guty, Poland on April 17, 1914 and came to the United States in 1950. He fought valiantly with the Allied Forces in Europe, including the Battle of Monte Cassino in Italy. He retired from U.S. Steel, Gary Works. Walter lived in Hobart for 57 years with Lillian, his beloved wife of 61 years, who preceded him in death. He is survived by three daughters: Christine Liszewski of Chicago, Alice Liszewski of Hobart and Marilyn (Steve) Carter of Indianapolis, IN;
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Fw: Gulag related book choice WSJ
Dear Folks,
The Saturday May 4th edition of the Wall Street Journal had an article under the book section by David Satter? on life in the Soviet police state. (These are his Five Best: A Personal Choice) Mr. Satter is the author of, most recently, 'It Was a Long Time Ago, and It Never Happened Anyway: Russia and the Communist Past.' The book choices sound intriguing especially in light of our Polish Siberian past.
Rich Widerynski, Long Beach, California
Kolyma Tales
By Varlam Shalamov (1980)
1 The Kolyma region, the coldest area in the Northern Hemisphere, was the cruelest outpost of the Soviet Gulag. Varlam Shalamov, a young journalist, was arrested in 1937 and spent 17 years there. His short stories are the definitive chronicle of those camps. Each is devoted to a single incident told in the voice of an emotionally detached observer. On the edge of death, all human traits are lost, and everything is focused on physical survival, but this is treated by Shalamov as completely normal. In "An American Connection," a group of starving prisoners attack a barrel of grease intended for a bulldozer. They finish off half the barrel before guards arrive. In another story, two prisoners escape from a camp at night and go to a burial site, searching for a fresh corpse from which to steal the underwear. Shalamov's dispassionate narrative and his often lyrical descriptions of Siberian nature give his stories the mesmerizing quality of a message from another world. As Shalamov said: "If you don't believe it, take it as a fairy tale."
Landmarks
By Nikolai Berdyaev, et. al (1909)
2 The year was 1909. Terrorists were murdering not only czarist ministers but provincial officials and police. It was in this atmosphere that "Landmarks" was published in Moscow. The contributors, all of them Russian Orthodox believers, called on the intelligentsia to reject materialist moral relativism and return to religion as a means of grounding the individual. Their essays, with stunning foresight, described all of the characteristics of the coming Soviet state. The religious philosopher Nikolai Berdyaev explained the roots of its contempt for the individual. He said that the revolutionary intelligentsia hungered for a universal theory but was only prepared to accept one that justified their social aspirations. This meant the denial of man's absolute significance and the total subordination of spiritual values to social goals. Bogdan Kistyakovsky wrote that the intelligentsia's predilection for formalism and bureaucracy and its faith in the omnipotence of rules were the makings of a police state. A hundred years later these essays are still among the best arguments ever made against revolutionary fanaticism, political "correctness" and the drive to create "heaven on earth."
The Russian Tradition
By Tibor Szamuely (1974)
3 Tibor Szamuely, the nephew of a leading Hungarian communist, died in 1972 at the age of 47. In this work, completed just before his death, Szamuely explains Russia's historical development. He traces the beginning of the unlimited powers wielded by Russian rulers to Ivan IV. In 1570, Ivan sacked Novgorod, Russia's leading trading city, after inexplicably becoming doubtful of its loyalty. For sustained sadism and savagery what happened there resembles the rape of Nanking by the Japanese 400 years later, with the exception that it was carried out by the country's own ruler. Under Ivan, the only rights were those of the state. Peasants were progressively bound to the land. The Russian church accepted the fusion of political and religious authority in the person of the czar. After the fall of Byzantium, the tsars, as the heads of the only surviving Orthodox state, treated Moscow as the "Third Rome" and began to claim world-wide moral and political leadership. This claim, in turn, was supported by the Russian people, who saw in it justification for their enslaved condition. Communism was supposed to be totally new, but as Szamuely so eloquently demonstrated, it merely modernized the brutal Russian state tradition.
Execution by Hunger:
The Hidden Holocaust
By Miron Dolot (1985)
4 Almost no eyewitness accounts have been left behind about the deliberate starvation of seven million people, roughly half of them Ukrainians, in the famine that followed the collectivization of Soviet agriculture. The outstanding exception is this work by the émigré Miron Dolot, a teenager during the famine, who describes in riveting prose the fate of his village in the Cherkasy region of Ukraine. To carry out collectivization, the Soviet leadership arrested village leaders and warned farmers that if they did not obey, they would be eliminated as "enemies of the people." Despite the chaos introduced into agricultural life, the quotas for grain deliveries to the state were not decreased. The farmers tried to hide food, but officials went from house to house. Roadblocks were set up, and farmers were imprisoned in their villages. They slowly died there, some convinced that their deaths were a well-deserved punishment from God for supporting the communist revolution. In March 1933, the famine reached its climax. Doors were bolted against cannibals. The frozen bodies of villagers were everywhere. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union exported 1.5 million tons of grain, enough to feed all those who perished.
The Seven Days of Creation
By Vladimir Maximov (1971)
5 In this novel about seven decades and three generations of one family, Maximov sets out to show what the Soviet experience meant for ordinary people, whose speech he had a rare gift for capturing. In one scene, Pyotr Lashkov, the patriarch of the clan and a dedicated communist in his youth, tries in vain to reach out to his long-lost alcoholic brother. "We could have managed," that brother says, "only you wouldn't let us. You nannied us to death, you and your bogeymen. . . . And when the time comes to die a man realizes he's been going arse backward all his life driven by the lot of you." Vadim Lashkov, Pyotr's grandson, the first Lashkov to revolt, is put in a mental hospital, where a fellow prisoner advises him: "If ever you think of trying to escape, the search will be thorough, very thorough. And they'll find you. They have to. Not because you're dangerous in yourself. Not at all! Simply because by now you've found out a little more than ordinary mortals are supposed to know." The tales of misguided ideas and broken fates are divided into six sections. The first six are "days of creation." Fittingly, the seventh day, "the day of resurrection and hope," is blank.
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[www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 3 DSK do Pahlevi
Elzunia,
As I recall, 3-cia Dywizja Strzelcow Karpackich was formed in Palestyne in May 1942 from a former dywizja strzelcow samodzielnych and another dywizja piechoty - do not recall its name - prior to it moving back to Irak in late 1942. We all changed to choinka emblem from zubrow, in my case.
antoni530 in UK
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--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...> wrote:
Linder and I were taking pictures from this division and it was from that division's data in Sikorski. Everyhting is handwritten in Polish and not quite as neatly as in the file I posted...so it is not easy for me read everything.?? I will pick it apart and see if I can find some other dates that could give you some more info.??
??
hania
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From: Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka <elzunia@...>
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:05:31 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 3 DSK do Pahlevi
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Interesting Hania, thanks.
Do you know whose manual this is?
Does anyone know when 3DSK was formed? before or after evacuation?
I read somewhere it was after, but maybe not?
Elzunia
Sweden
--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@> wrote:
I don't know if
this helps anyone...but, ??????I have my own copies of manuals from Sikorski Institute
in London, when I was there and one page states when 3 DSK( 3
Dywizji Strzelc??????w Karpackich) left for Krasnowodsk and arrived in Pahlevi.??????
??????
March 23....wyjazd do Krasnowodsk.
March 28...1942 boarded ship
March 30 ....przyjazd do Portu Pahlevi.
??????
No ship name but Log data is correct.
??????
hania
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 3 DSK do Pahlevi
Linder and I were taking pictures from this division and it was from that division's data in Sikorski. Everyhting is handwritten in Polish and not quite as neatly as in the file I posted...so it is not easy for me read everything.? I will pick it apart and see if I can find some other dates that could give you some more info.? ? hania
From: Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:05:31 AM
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re: 3 DSK do Pahlevi
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Interesting Hania, thanks.
Do you know whose manual this is?
Does anyone know when 3DSK was formed? before or after evacuation?
I read somewhere it was after, but maybe not?
Elzunia
Sweden
--- In mailto:Kresy-Siberia%40yahoogroups.com, Anne Kaczanowski wrote:
>
> I don't know if
> this helps anyone...but, ???I have my own copies of manuals from Sikorski Institute
> in London, when I was there and one page states when 3 DSK( 3
> Dywizji Strzelc???w Karpackich) left for Krasnowodsk and arrived in Pahlevi.???
> ???
> March 23....wyjazd do Krasnowodsk.
> March 28...1942 boarded ship
> March 30 ....przyjazd do Portu Pahlevi.
> ???
> No ship name but Log data is correct.
> ???
> hania
>
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Elzunia/Elizabeth Gradosielska/Maczka
Interesting Hania, thanks.
Do you know whose manual this is?
Does anyone know when 3DSK was formed? before or after evacuation?
I read somewhere it was after, but maybe not?
Elzunia
Sweden
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--- In Kresy-Siberia@..., Anne Kaczanowski <kazameena@...> wrote:
I don't know if
this helps anyone...but, ???I have my own copies of manuals from Sikorski Institute
in London, when I was there and one page states when 3 DSK( 3
Dywizji Strzelc???w Karpackich) left for Krasnowodsk and arrived in Pahlevi.???
???
March 23....wyjazd do Krasnowodsk.
March 28...1942 boarded ship
March 30 ....przyjazd do Portu Pahlevi.
???
No ship name but Log data is correct.
???
hania
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] US Holocaust Museum looking for Polish victims of Nazi persecution
Guess where I am right now? Washington. In the next couple of days I will be visiting the museum.
CarolUK
Carol C H C
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On 4 May 2013, at 01:17, "annapacewicz" <annapacewicz@...> wrote: Dear group,
Interesting initiative for any Polish-Americans with history of Nazi persecution:
The article reads:
The United States Holocaust Museum presentation at the KF
Monday, May 6, 2013, at 7:00pm
The United States Holocaust Museum is reaching out to Polish-Americans to find Polish victims of Nazi persecution.
Staff from the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum will be presenting excerpts from its collection of testimonies about the Polish experience – including an interview with Jan Nowak, a resistance fighter in the Home Army during WWII. The program will also include the presentation of documents about Polish victims contained in the Museum's records and its International Tracing Service (ITS) archives, and how to research information about individuals.
The Museum is actively seeking testimonies from Poles and other victims who experienced Nazi persecution first hand, as well as artifacts, documents, photographs and films to teach the lessons of the Holocaust and to stand as evidence of what happened for ages to come.
The Museum maintains one of the largest Holocaust-related oral history archives in the world, with more than 12,500 interviews, including over 350 with Polish witnesses. It is also the Americas repository for the ITS collection, which contains diverse information about the persecution and murder of Poles, Jews and other non-Jewish victims under Nazi rule, including listings of camp arrivals, forced labor documents, Polish Catholic marriage deeds, etc.
A living memorial to the Holocaust, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum inspires citizens and leaders worldwide to confront hatred, prevent genocide and promote human dignity. Federal support guarantees the Museum's permanent place on the National Mall, and its far-reaching educational programs and global impact are made possible by generous donors. For more information, visit www.ushmm.org.
Anna Pacewicz
Sydney
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I don't know if
this helps anyone...but, ?I have my own copies of manuals from Sikorski Institute
in London, when I was there and one page states when 3 DSK( 3
Dywizji Strzelców Karpackich) left for Krasnowodsk and arrived in Pahlevi.? ? March 23....wyjazd do Krasnowodsk. March 28...1942 boarded ship March 30 ....przyjazd do Portu Pahlevi. ? No ship name but Log data is correct. ? hania
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Re: Deportations from Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, to the Urals
Barbara
You will find details of where your Ryszkowski family was deported to here:
Edmund Ryszkowski
Waclawa Ryszkowska
Czeslaw Ryszkowski
Mieczyslaw Ryszkowski
Wladyslaw Ryszkowski
Jozefa Chocian, the mother of Kresy-Siberia group member, Basia Glinski, was deported to the same labour camp as the Ryszkowski family – Stiepanowka.
May I ask where you obtained the Metryka Zgonu for Mieczyslaw Ryszkowski?
My grandparents Jozef and Ewa Lis died in Czirakczi in Feb 1942, leaving my father and aunt orphaned. If not for soldiers from the 18th Regiment 6LDP under the command of Major Jan Lachowicz, who collected orphaned Polish children from the region around Czirakczi and transported them out of the USSR in March 1942, my father and aunt may have languished in a Russian orphanage for the rest of their lives.
We have no documents for the deaths of Jozef and Ewa and understood that only the deaths of those who enlisted in the Polish Army were recorded.
Kind regards
Halina (NZ)
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Dear Group
Hope you can help me. I am trying to find out the name of the place in the Urals where my father and his family were deported by the Russians. My father Wladyslaw Ryszkowski, his two brothers Czeslaw and Edmund, and his parents Mieczyslaw and Waclawa, were living in Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, where my grandfather was a Forest Ranger (Lesniczy).
They were one of the first families in the area to be arrested by the Russians and were deported in February 1940. As far as I know they ended up working in forests chopping down trees.(Oh, how I wish I listened to the details when my father spoke about his experiences). It would also be interesting to know the route that they travelled along towards their Gehenna.
My grandfather died in March 1942 from Typhoid (Tyfus Plamisty)and is buried in Czerakczi, Uzbekistan. My grandmother and her 3 sons survived,
joined the Polish Army and travelled to Teheran.
Would be grateful for any information you can give me.
Best regards
Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
London, UK
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Baryluk family
Dear Barbara, It really is quite a small world! Barbara was borne in Dec 1950 at the 3rd Polish Hospital Penley whilst the family was living in Dodington. Unfortunately her Grandfather, Antoni Baryluk had died in the same hospital in March 1949, just before your family arrived there. Best wishes Barry and Barbara UK
From: Barbara Alison
To: "Kresy-Siberia@..."
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 19:26
Subject: Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Baryluk family
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Dear Barry and Barbara
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This is of no use to your family tree, but I thought I would mention that I lived in Doddington Camp briefly with my parents (around 1950/51)?before we moved to Penley Camp, where my parents worked in the Polish hospital there.? I was only 1 or 2 years old at the time so have very little memory of Doddington, but have very fond memories of life in Penley.??
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Good luck with your research.
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Best regards??
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Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
Songwriter
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From: barry5559
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 9:05
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Baryluk family
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Dear Group, I suppose I am on a fishing trip, I am producing a family tree and recently started on my wife's side of the family. Barbara, my wife, was born in Flintshire, North Wales at which time her parents Stanislaw Syrda and Stephanie Syrda, nee Baryluk lived in the Doddington Polish camp.
I know I have already mentioned some of this information but I will try and give a complete picture as I know it.
Stephanie family was, Mother, Antonina Baryluk (nee Bezkorowajna)
Dad Antoni Baryluk His Dad Michot Baryluk,his
Mom Maria Mawryluk.
From the wall the following names were listed which I believe are family
Antonina Baryluk 10/03/1901, Jan Baryluk 15/03/1872, Katarzyna Baryluk ?/03/1879, Michal Baryluk 24/12/1926, Stefania (which is now spelt Stephanie) 22/07/1932.
I believe there was also a sister to Stefanie, Anna who we believe died perhaps on route to Siberia.
They lived in Liczkowce and were farmers.
I have started to
add information to the Kresy-Siberia site and then thought I had better wait until i have more concrete information on the family.
Antoni Baryluk, I am unsure when and how he came to England but once here served in the Polish Resettlement Corps between 1946 and 1948.
He sady died on 10/03/1949.
Michal Baryluk arrived in England from Singapore on board the H S Somersetshire on 23/12/1947. Prior to that his last know address was India and he was a Polish Refugee Patient.
Stanislaw Syrda was from Krakow, borne 01/12/1917 in Mnikow Krakow, Dad Wincety Syrda, Mom Yadwiga.
I believe Stanislaw was part of the Polish Underground Army between 1943 and 1946. He arived in the UK 0n 26/10/1946 from San Giorgio Italy to the 79th Transit Camp, Poverty Lane Maghull.
I believe at some point between 1942 and 1946 he may also have been know as Charles Dubois from Toul in France.
Any lead that may help me to gather more family information
would be appreciated, in particular how and when did they leave Liczkowce, what happened to Anna Baryluk.
Thank you Group in anticipation of any help you are able to give.
Barry and Barbara from England
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Deportations from Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, to the Urals
Dear Group
Hope you can help me. I am trying to find out the name of the place in the Urals where my father and his family were deported by the Russians. My father Wladyslaw Ryszkowski, his two brothers Czeslaw and Edmund, and his parents Mieczyslaw and Waclawa, were living in Marcinkance, Nr Grodno, where my grandfather was a Forest Ranger (Lesniczy).
They were one of the first families in the area to be arrested by the Russians and were deported in February 1940. As far as I know they ended up working in forests chopping down trees.(Oh, how I wish I listened to the details when my father spoke about his experiences). It would also be interesting to know the route that they travelled along towards their Gehenna.
My grandfather died in March 1942 from Typhoid (Tyfus Plamisty)and is buried in Czerakczi, Uzbekistan. My grandmother and her 3 sons survived,
joined the Polish Army and travelled to Teheran.
Would be grateful for any information you can give me.
Best regards
Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
London, UK
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] 3rd May
I spent 11 November in Warsaw in 2009.? It?poured the whole time, but in spite of that the celebrations in Pilsudski Square by the Unknown Soldier's Monument were very festive and you couldn't move it was so crowded.? People came from all over Poland to take part and the atmosphere was fantastic.? I also found it very moving to see all the flowers and candles lying beneath the plaques?marking places in the streets of Warsaw where the Germans had executed so many Poles. ?
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Best regards
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Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
Songwriter
Website:
Web Page:
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From: Tim Bucknall
To: Kresy-Siberia
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 11:59
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] 3rd May
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Thanks for the info, i was unaware of this date, i can honour it next year.
its true that 11/11 is not usually blessed with helpful weather!
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Baryluk family
Dear Barry and Barbara
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This is of no use to your family tree, but I thought I would mention that I lived in Doddington Camp briefly with my parents (around 1950/51)?before we moved to Penley Camp, where my parents worked in the Polish hospital there.? I was only 1 or 2 years old at the time so have very little memory of Doddington, but have very fond memories of life in Penley.??
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Good luck with your research.
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Best regards??
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Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
Songwriter
Website:
Web Page:
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From: barry5559
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 9:05
Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Baryluk family
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Dear Group, I suppose I am on a fishing trip, I am producing a family tree and recently started on my wife's side of the family. Barbara, my wife, was born in Flintshire, North Wales at which time her parents Stanislaw Syrda and Stephanie Syrda, nee Baryluk lived in the Doddington Polish camp.
I know I have already mentioned some of this information but I will try and give a complete picture as I know it.
Stephanie family was, Mother, Antonina Baryluk (nee Bezkorowajna)
Dad Antoni Baryluk His Dad Michot Baryluk,his
Mom Maria Mawryluk.
From the wall the following names were listed which I believe are family
Antonina Baryluk 10/03/1901, Jan Baryluk 15/03/1872, Katarzyna Baryluk ?/03/1879, Michal Baryluk 24/12/1926, Stefania (which is now spelt Stephanie) 22/07/1932.
I believe there was also a sister to Stefanie, Anna who we believe died perhaps on route to Siberia.
They lived in Liczkowce and were farmers.
I have started to
add information to the Kresy-Siberia site and then thought I had better wait until i have more concrete information on the family.
Antoni Baryluk, I am unsure when and how he came to England but once here served in the Polish Resettlement Corps between 1946 and 1948.
He sady died on 10/03/1949.
Michal Baryluk arrived in England from Singapore on board the H S Somersetshire on 23/12/1947. Prior to that his last know address was India and he was a Polish Refugee Patient.
Stanislaw Syrda was from Krakow, borne 01/12/1917 in Mnikow Krakow, Dad Wincety Syrda, Mom Yadwiga.
I believe Stanislaw was part of the Polish Underground Army between 1943 and 1946. He arived in the UK 0n 26/10/1946 from San Giorgio Italy to the 79th Transit Camp, Poverty Lane Maghull.
I believe at some point between 1942 and 1946 he may also have been know as Charles Dubois from Toul in France.
Any lead that may help me to gather more family information
would be appreciated, in particular how and when did they leave Liczkowce, what happened to Anna Baryluk.
Thank you Group in anticipation of any help you are able to give.
Barry and Barbara from England
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Marta Debska from Wroc?aw, Poland
Marta, welcome to group, you will find many members family the same as yours and any knowledge is shared for all members to research. Warmest regards, Lenarda, Sydney, Australia ?
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Sent: Saturday, 04 May, 2013 7:44 PM
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Subject: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Introducing new member Marta Debska from Wroc?aw, Poland? ? Please welcome new member Marta. Her great ?grandfather was Ignacy Oborski??born in 1889. He was from Petryków (near Tarnopol). Ignacy?was a police comissioner in Tarnopol and in Lwów. He was ?imprisoned in Ostaszków, murdered in Twer, and buried near Miednoje. His wife Katarzyna and children were sent to Kazakhstan. The children were??Eugenia , Marta's grandmother ?who was the eldest and then Jerzy, Czes?awa, Franciszek and Jadwiga. Marta and her family ?want to learn more about Petrykow, and Tarnopol and are interested in researching the ?early Oborski family particularly?Franciszek , the father of Ignacy Oborski. Welcome once more Marta and I wish you much success in your research.
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Reading and Discussion 22 June 2013 Edinburgh
For those who may be able to attend I’m delighted to share details of a talk and reading I’m doing at the prestigious Scottish Poetry Library in Edinburgh next month. I’ll emphasise the tragedy of the Kresy and its people during the discussion, what happened to the survivors, and how we as a group found each other and work to collate and grow public knowledge of the fate of our forefathers. ? Martin Stepek Author?“For There is Hope” “should be on every table where Poland is discussed and the brave dead remembered.” Neal Ascherson (George Orwell Prize winning author of The Struggles for Poland). ? Sent from Windows Mail ?
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re Aleksander Pankiewicz on Wall of Names
Krystyna, just wanted to add that I will try to get Waleria Luro's info. As far as know Helen Luro was her sister. I also have a long list of my own family members to add to the Wall of Names but need to check some details and sort out photos. ? Have been tied up with other commitments lately but hopefully will soon be able to devout some time to KS. You are all doing a fantastic job. Kind regards Barbara Alison Ryszkowska London UK
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On 3 May 2013, at 22:47, < kms0902@...> wrote:
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Hello Barbara,
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I?�?m afraid that the name was added to the Wall of Names from an archived
list that we received, listing the 30,000 + members of the 3DSK
(3rd Carpathian Rifles Division), and not by Mr. Pankiewicz himself, or a member
of his family.? Consequently, we have no contact details for this person,
and cannot even tell you whether this person is still living or not.
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Note:? This is the
SOURCE information that is associated with the
name on the Wall:? The basic information
concerning the soldiers of the 3rd Carpathian
Rifle Division that appear on this list (First
Name, Family Name, Pseudonym, Date of birth,
military rank, unit, Date of death, medals) were
provided by the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division
Association in London, from:? ?�?Spisu
??o??nierzy Trzeciej Dywizji Strzelc??w Karpackich?�?
Volume II,? published by the ?�? Trzecia
Dywizja Strzelc??w Karpackich 1942-1987?�?, London
1991.
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Waleria Luro was added to the Wall from information that we have from
Hoover Institute at Stanford University in San Francisco, where they have a copy
of the school essay that she wrote while in the Middle East.? We would be
very grateful if you would help Ms. Luro to complete her profile, by adding the
missing details, as well as a photo of her to the profile.? Perhaps the
Helena Luro that is also listed on the Wall as having written a school essay in
the Middle East is related to Waleria, and perhaps you could assist in
completing that profile as well.? (To edit a profile on the Wall, you need
to log in to the Virtual Museum ?�“ click on LOG IN at the top of the page and
fill in the online form ?�“ then click on EDIT PERSON on the profile).
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We truly appreciate every assistance with completing profiles on the Wall
of Names, and taking them from a simple list of names, to profiles that are mini
biographies of each person, and their experiences.? Adding a photo also
helps to bring that person and their story to life!
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Krystyna Szypowska
Winnipeg, Canada
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Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: [] Aleksander
Pankiewicz
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Does anybody by any chance know how I can get contact details for Aleksander
Pankiewicz, whose name appears on the Wall of Names? I have been asked by a lady
called Waleria Luro, whose name is also listed there. This lady is 90 years old
and met Mr Pankiewicz in Siberia. She would very much like to get in touch with
him if possible. Would be very grateful for your help. Best
regards.
Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
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Re: [www.Kresy-Siberia.org] Re Aleksander Pankiewicz on Wall of Names
Many thanks for getting back to me. I will pass this on to the lady concerned. Best regards Barbara Alison Ryszkowska London UK
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On 3 May 2013, at 22:47, < kms0902@...> wrote:
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Hello Barbara,
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I?�?m afraid that the name was added to the Wall of Names from an archived
list that we received, listing the 30,000 + members of the 3DSK
(3rd Carpathian Rifles Division), and not by Mr. Pankiewicz himself, or a member
of his family.? Consequently, we have no contact details for this person,
and cannot even tell you whether this person is still living or not.
?
Note:? This is the
SOURCE information that is associated with the
name on the Wall:? The basic information
concerning the soldiers of the 3rd Carpathian
Rifle Division that appear on this list (First
Name, Family Name, Pseudonym, Date of birth,
military rank, unit, Date of death, medals) were
provided by the 3rd Carpathian Rifle Division
Association in London, from:? ?�?Spisu
??o??nierzy Trzeciej Dywizji Strzelc??w Karpackich?�?
Volume II,? published by the ?�? Trzecia
Dywizja Strzelc??w Karpackich 1942-1987?�?, London
1991.
?
Waleria Luro was added to the Wall from information that we have from
Hoover Institute at Stanford University in San Francisco, where they have a copy
of the school essay that she wrote while in the Middle East.? We would be
very grateful if you would help Ms. Luro to complete her profile, by adding the
missing details, as well as a photo of her to the profile.? Perhaps the
Helena Luro that is also listed on the Wall as having written a school essay in
the Middle East is related to Waleria, and perhaps you could assist in
completing that profile as well.? (To edit a profile on the Wall, you need
to log in to the Virtual Museum ?�“ click on LOG IN at the top of the page and
fill in the online form ?�“ then click on EDIT PERSON on the profile).
?
We truly appreciate every assistance with completing profiles on the Wall
of Names, and taking them from a simple list of names, to profiles that are mini
biographies of each person, and their experiences.? Adding a photo also
helps to bring that person and their story to life!
?
?
Krystyna Szypowska
Winnipeg, Canada
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Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 4:25 PM
Subject: [] Aleksander
Pankiewicz
?
Does anybody by any chance know how I can get contact details for Aleksander
Pankiewicz, whose name appears on the Wall of Names? I have been asked by a lady
called Waleria Luro, whose name is also listed there. This lady is 90 years old
and met Mr Pankiewicz in Siberia. She would very much like to get in touch with
him if possible. Would be very grateful for your help. Best
regards.
Barbara Alison Ryszkowska
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