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From: "Krystine Tomaszyk" <tomaszkc@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 21:26:01 +1300
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] SURVIVORS of the War

Stefan,

I do congratulate you on your letter concerning the Holocaust Museum and
especially your rational approach to the subject.

I have only one question. The museum. Is it for the survivors of the
Holocaust or the victims who have perished?

I do not know very much about this mueum and would appreciate clarification.

Regards,
Krystine






----- Original Message -----
From: Stefan Wisniowski <swisniowski@...>
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] SURVIVORS of the War

This is in response to the recent exchanges between Ed and Janie, both of
which are well-meaning and both of which are partly right! Ed is right

that

the referenced Holocaust Museum website seems to be oriented towards

Jewish

survivors. Janie is right that it is open to all survivors of the
Nazi-Soviet alliance.

There are many ways to look at these things, depending where you are

coming

from. I am going to make a couple of statements but they are not meant so
much to stimulate a debate, but rather to try to set a tone for this group
and to progress the cause of the eastern Polish victims of Soviet
aggression. Please bear with me and pardon the length of this response.

In general, the Kresy-Siberia group is set up to be a mutually supportive
and collaborative one promoting "Research, Remembrance and Recognition",

and

it is REPECTFULLY REQUESTED that members maintain that spirit in order to
retain their membership.

The question that Janie and Ed are debating is whether Polish survivors of
Soviet persecution can and should be recognised and remembered at the
Holocaust Museum in Washington.

First of all it is a fact that they can.

I wrote to them and asked directly if I could register my family who were
persecuted by the Soviets in 1940-42, and they said yes and sent me
registration forms. Here is a quote from their site: "the Registry

defines

a Holocaust survivor as anyone who suffered persecutions by Nazis and/or
their allies as a result of the racial, political or ethnic policies from
1933 to 1945 and who survived the end of World War II: camp survivors,
political prisoners, persons in hiding, refugees from territories under

rule

of Germany and its allies, as well as evacuees from territories which were
occupied later, etc. Other victims of persecution by the Nazis and their
allies... are also considered survivors"

As you know, the Soviets were the allies of the Nazis in the destruction

of

Poland from 1939 to 1941.

Second of all, and here is where I am expressing a personal opinion, I
believe that the Polish survivors SHOULD be registered and recognised at

the

Holocaust Museum.

Let me explain why. It is true that the U.S. Holocaust Museum is

dominated

by remembrance of Jewish victims. This is not surprising, as the Jews

were

a primary target of the Nazi genocide and drove the establishment of the
museum. However, while it is normal to feel it unfair that Polish victims
of the Nazis (and the Soviets) are not recognised in the same way as the
Jewish victims are, the question is what to do about it and how to change
that.

I suggest that the best way to change this is for the Poles to take their
place alongside the other victims and recognise their suffering together,
rather than to avoid the established memorial centres as being "only for

the

Jews".

The Holocaust Museum in Washington was set up by the American Government

as

THE institution to remember and recognise ALL victims of the Nazis and

their

allies. In the absence of a POLISH-ONLY HOLOCAUST MUSEUM, why not take
advantage of the U.S. HOLOCAUST MUSEUM to recognise our families and their
courage to survive the Soviets?

Here's an idea that has fired my imagination!

For the Registry's purposes, anyone displaced by the racial, political and
ethnic policies of the Nazis or their allies who survived until the end of
the war is considered a survivor. The Registry of Holocaust Survivors
currently contains the names of over 115,000 survivors - most in the

United

States or Canada, although some from survivors who live in other

countries.

Imagine how public opinion would be shaped if we were to register the

names

of the over 100,000 Polish survivors of the Soviet Gulags who escaped
through Persia with General Anders at the Holocaust Museum? Though we
actually have tens of thousands of names and brief histories at the Hoover
Institution, the only catch is that survivors need to fill out the
registration themselves or be registered by their relatives.

Okay, so that let's Irene at the Hoover off the hook! But what if the 50
members of this group registered their own family survivors as a start and
we got the ball rolling on this recognition and remembrance thing? That
would be hundreds of names. There are also spaces for 2nd and 3rd
generation descendants of the Survivors (guys like me).

In short, I would encourage all of us with WW2 Survivors in our families

to

take up our rightful place by going to
and getting the form and
registering them. (Forms are even available in Polish!)

If somebody does not want to take up this right and opportunity, of course
that is completely up to them.

Kindest regards,

--
Stefan Wisniowski
Moderator, Kresy-Siberia

QUOTE FROM www.ushmm.org/museum/council/mission.htm
"The United States Holocaust Memorial Museum is America's national
institution for the documentation, study, and interpretation of Holocaust
history, and serves as this country's memorial to the millions of people
murdered during the Holocaust.

The Holocaust was the state-sponsored, systematic persecution and
annihilation of European Jewry by Nazi Germany and its collaborators

between

1933 and 1945. Jews were the primary victims --- six million were

murdered;

Gypsies, the handicapped, and Poles were also targeted for destruction or
decimation for racial, ethnic, or national reasons. Millions more,

including

homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Soviet prisoners of war, and political
dissidents also suffered grievous oppression and death under Nazi tyranny.

The Museum's primary mission is to advance and disseminate knowledge about
this unprecedented tragedy; to preserve the memory of those who suffered;
and to encourage its visitors to reflect upon the moral and spiritual
questions raised by the events of the Holocaust as well as their own
responsibilities as citizens of a democracy."

From: "edtar" <edtar@...>
Reply-To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2001 00:34:59 -0400
To: <Kresy-Siberia@...>
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] SURVIVORS


Dear Janie, when yoy say they are trying to include everyone you are

talking

about the holocaust museum/memorial. If you go to the web you referenced

you

will find it is for Jews. The registry is for the Jews.
I am not a Jew and most if not all Kresy-Siberia members are non Jews

and

further they are mostly Christian Catholic/Orthodox/Unite Poles who

were

deported to the slave labor camps in the USSR or their descendants.

There were

very few Jews deported to Siberia.
By the way, who were the Associates of the Gemans/Nazis????
Edward

--- Original Message -----
From: jmicchelli@...
To: Kresy-Siberia@...
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Kresy-Siberia] SURVIVORS

Dear Ed,
If you go to the web-site, you will see that they are trying to include
EVERYONE
WHO WAS AFFECTED BY THE NAZIS AND THEIR ASSOCIATES........
THAT INCLUDES MY FAMILY AS WELL AS YOURS..............AND IF THIS IS

THE WAY

TO GET RECOGNIZATION, SO BE IT..........
JANIE

You have your wires crossed.
Holocaust memerial is for Jews who were persecuted by the Germans.
Kresy-Siberia is for all Polish citizens who were deported to Siberia

and

persecuted by the Soviets.
Ed Tarchalski

----- Original Message -----
From: jmicchelli@... To:
":Kresy-Siberia"@yahoogroups.com ; "To:Kresy-Siberia"@yahoogroups.com

Sent:

Monday, October 15, 2001 1:17 PM Subject: [Kresy-Siberia] SURVIVORS


Hi Stefan and other group members,

A few months ago I wrote Stefan, to tell him that I was going to

register

my
family at this site, it is at the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC,

I did

so just a few weeks ago, here is a click-on with more information.

They

are
looking to document survivors of the Holocaust (this is not only for
members
of the Jewish community).


Click here: Remembrance | Registry of Holocaust Survivors
<>

The Registry defines a survivor as a person who was displaced,

persecuted,

and/or discriminated against by the racial, religious, ethnic, and
political
policies of the Nazis and their allies. In addition to former inmates

of

concentration camps and ghettos this includes, among others, refugees

and

people in hiding.

Please help us to document survivors who are not yet registered by

passing

on information about this Registry. ---------- I think that a lot of

the

members in this group qualify as survivors, please take a few minutes

and

see if this is something you would do.

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