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Re: Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

 

I always add an inrush limiter to the vintage gear. An ounce of prevention... you know.
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On 04/18/2025 5:53 PM EDT don Root <drootofallevil@...> wrote:
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Very good Richard, but what all did you manage to receive, and how did it sound??? Good luck

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard AG5M via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2025 5:38 PM
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Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

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I had fun this morning. I started up my 1952 Hallicrafters S-40B receiver today, very carefully. I first cleaned the controls, then plugged in the receiver with my Variac and Dim-Bulb-Tester in line. Slowly brought the voltage up listening for hum, watching for smoke. There was a very slight 60 Hz hum at the beginning but that went away.

It's working on 80 volts right now. I thought it best not to bring it up to 110 VAC, the standard household voltage that was common in the 1950s. Here at the house I have 122 VAC. I left it running for over an hour, nothing bad happened.

So given that, I'll go ahead and replace all the capacitors (ordered Harbach) check for out of tolerance resistors, etc. Clean it up. It's really dirty, which is actually a good thing, tells you no one was inside messing around. It looks to all original.

I'll bet this is the first time it has run in decades. Just goes to show you they built (made in the USA) really good stuff back then, built for the long haul, repairable, to last many generations.

73, Richard AG5M

On Sunday, April 6, 2025 at 03:04:45 PM PDT, Richard AG5M via groups.io <ag5m@...> wrote:

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Hello all, this being my first post here.? I recently acquired a Hallicrafters S40-B receiver from a dear friend who went SK.? I had promised to restore it for him, so even though he is gone, I'll keep my promise.? From the looks of it it's all original with no one ever having been inside it, unused for unknown amount of time.? Manufactured Nov. 17, 1952.? Even had the original manual in it.? So what you see is 1952 dirt and a lot of old paper caps, etc.? I'm an old timer, licensed in 1963, so tube rigs are not new to me.? I have not plugged it in yet, and yes, I know all about Dim-Bulb-Testers, Variacs, etc.? I have analog and digital meters, AF and RF generators, O'Scope, tube testers, etc.? Just looking for some up front advice from anyone who has been down this path before with this or similar Hallicrafters receivers, what to watch out for, anything special to think about?? Thank you, 73, Richard AG5M

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Re: Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

 

I have an excellent S-40B.? I was incredibly fortunate to find this one so as to replicate my first operational station in 1959.? It appears as-new. All the paper stickers still in place. I did re-cap it, of course. I may yet install a xtal calibrator using a 3500 crystal for ham band markers.? Those green dials look... well... just great!!? Like all these items, they need regular use to keep the controls quiet.? We try...
Jeep K3HVG

On 04/18/2025 5:37 PM EDT Richard AG5M via groups.io <ag5m@...> wrote:
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I had fun this morning. I started up my 1952 Hallicrafters S-40B receiver today, very carefully. I first cleaned the controls, then plugged in the receiver with my Variac and Dim-Bulb-Tester in line. Slowly brought the voltage up listening for hum, watching for smoke. There was a very slight 60 Hz hum at the beginning but that went away.

It's working on 80 volts right now. I thought it best not to bring it up to 110 VAC, the standard household voltage that was common in the 1950s. Here at the house I have 122 VAC. I left it running for over an hour, nothing bad happened.

So given that, I'll go ahead and replace all the capacitors (ordered Harbach) check for out of tolerance resistors, etc. Clean it up. It's really dirty, which is actually a good thing, tells you no one was inside messing around. It looks to all original.

I'll bet this is the first time it has run in decades. Just goes to show you they built (made in the USA) really good stuff back then, built for the long haul, repairable, to last many generations.

73, Richard AG5M


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Re: Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

 

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Very good Richard, but what all did you manage to receive, and how did it sound??? Good luck

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard AG5M via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2025 5:38 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

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I had fun this morning. I started up my 1952 Hallicrafters S-40B receiver today, very carefully. I first cleaned the controls, then plugged in the receiver with my Variac and Dim-Bulb-Tester in line. Slowly brought the voltage up listening for hum, watching for smoke. There was a very slight 60 Hz hum at the beginning but that went away.

It's working on 80 volts right now. I thought it best not to bring it up to 110 VAC, the standard household voltage that was common in the 1950s. Here at the house I have 122 VAC. I left it running for over an hour, nothing bad happened.

So given that, I'll go ahead and replace all the capacitors (ordered Harbach) check for out of tolerance resistors, etc. Clean it up. It's really dirty, which is actually a good thing, tells you no one was inside messing around. It looks to all original.

I'll bet this is the first time it has run in decades. Just goes to show you they built (made in the USA) really good stuff back then, built for the long haul, repairable, to last many generations.

73, Richard AG5M

On Sunday, April 6, 2025 at 03:04:45 PM PDT, Richard AG5M via groups.io <ag5m@...> wrote:

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Hello all, this being my first post here.? I recently acquired a Hallicrafters S40-B receiver from a dear friend who went SK.? I had promised to restore it for him, so even though he is gone, I'll keep my promise.? From the looks of it it's all original with no one ever having been inside it, unused for unknown amount of time.? Manufactured Nov. 17, 1952.? Even had the original manual in it.? So what you see is 1952 dirt and a lot of old paper caps, etc.? I'm an old timer, licensed in 1963, so tube rigs are not new to me.? I have not plugged it in yet, and yes, I know all about Dim-Bulb-Testers, Variacs, etc.? I have analog and digital meters, AF and RF generators, O'Scope, tube testers, etc.? Just looking for some up front advice from anyone who has been down this path before with this or similar Hallicrafters receivers, what to watch out for, anything special to think about?? Thank you, 73, Richard AG5M


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Re: Hallicrafters S40-B Restoration Advice

 
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I had fun this morning. I started up my 1952 Hallicrafters S-40B receiver today, very carefully. I first cleaned the controls, then plugged in the receiver with my Variac and Dim-Bulb-Tester in line. Slowly brought the voltage up listening for hum, watching for smoke. There was a very slight 60 Hz hum at the beginning but that went away.

It's working on 80 volts right now. I thought it best not to bring it up to 110 VAC, the standard household voltage that was common in the 1950s. Here at the house I have 122 VAC. I left it running for over an hour, nothing bad happened.

So given that, I'll go ahead and replace all the capacitors (ordered Harbach) check for out of tolerance resistors, etc. Clean it up. It's really dirty, which is actually a good thing, tells you no one was inside messing around. It looks to all original.

I'll bet this is the first time it has run in decades. Just goes to show you they built (made in the USA) really good stuff back then, built for the long haul, repairable, to last many generations.

73, Richard AG5M


On Sunday, April 6, 2025 at 03:04:45 PM PDT, Richard AG5M via groups.io <ag5m@...> wrote:


Hello all, this being my first post here.? I recently acquired a Hallicrafters S40-B receiver from a dear friend who went SK.? I had promised to restore it for him, so even though he is gone, I'll keep my promise.? From the looks of it it's all original with no one ever having been inside it, unused for unknown amount of time.? Manufactured Nov. 17, 1952.? Even had the original manual in it.? So what you see is 1952 dirt and a lot of old paper caps, etc.? I'm an old timer, licensed in 1963, so tube rigs are not new to me.? I have not plugged it in yet, and yes, I know all about Dim-Bulb-Testers, Variacs, etc.? I have analog and digital meters, AF and RF generators, O'Scope, tube testers, etc.? Just looking for some up front advice from anyone who has been down this path before with this or similar Hallicrafters receivers, what to watch out for, anything special to think about?? Thank you, 73, Richard AG5M


Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

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Nick, well maybe you can ask some SX-23 owner to take some pictures for you. Other than that, any reasonable meter is better than none at least for now .

If you go to swaps, with a picture you might have a lucky day while going thru odds and sods .. “one man’s junk…”

Good ludk

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick, W1NJC via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2025 12:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

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Don,

The original is completely absent.? All I have are some pictures that I found online and one from a guy at ARF.?

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I did verify that the meter drive circuit works by wiring up the meter from a Johnson Matchbox.? I adjusted no signal = full scale and as I tune a strong signal, the needle moves to the left...

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I'm also chasing down a distortion issue with (I think) the 6SQ7 detector circuit, so the radio is open and on its side again :)


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Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

I have a few edge wise meters in the junk box, I'll take a look at what I have and get back to you here.

K2WH


Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

Don,
The original is completely absent.? All I have are some pictures that I found online and one from a guy at ARF.?
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I did verify that the meter drive circuit works by wiring up the meter from a Johnson Matchbox.? I adjusted no signal = full scale and as I tune a strong signal, the needle moves to the left...
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I'm also chasing down a distortion issue with (I think) the 6SQ7 detector circuit, so the radio is open and on its side again :)


Re: Wanted Halli Spinner Knob

 

Yup!
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Get in line and good luck!
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You'll have an easier time getting a machinist to make you one!
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Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

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Nick, do you have any of the original meter ,or is it all gone?

Other Hallicrafters meters of that vintage might be the best bet, but ?I know little[nothing] about the differences.

Good luck, hope you manage to find something to make her smile!

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nick, W1NJC via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2025 3:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

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Thanks, guys.? Anyone know where to find one of these backward meters?? I've seen some posts around where people claim you can adjust a regular "left zero" meter to become a "right zero" using the internal or backside adjust.? Maybe better to start with a "center-zero" meter since it's only half the distance to the goal.

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I thought about the upside-down method, and it may work.? The angle of the needle will be wrong though.

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Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

Thanks, guys.? Anyone know where to find one of these backward meters?? I've seen some posts around where people claim you can adjust a regular "left zero" meter to become a "right zero" using the internal or backside adjust.? Maybe better to start with a "center-zero" meter since it's only half the distance to the goal.
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I thought about the upside-down method, and it may work.? The angle of the needle will be wrong though.


Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

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With no power it should?be to the far right. After power up it should slowly move to the left.?


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Nick, W1NJC via groups.io <njc@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2025 11:24 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] WTB/Info SX-23 S meter
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This is a long shot, but I need the S meter for the SX-23 I've restored.? It looks like maybe a fairly standard round meter could be made to work.? It's a 1mA full scale type, however I've discovered that the original seems to have mechanical zero on the right instead of the left.? That is, the maximum current through the meter is when the RF signal is at minimum.? As the RF signal increases, the meter current goes down.
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Does anyone have any info on this meter, or better, have one laying around?? Barring that, how about any ideas on how I could get some kind of meter into this radio which looks decent and is functional?
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Thanks,
Nick W1NJC


Re: WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

Mount the replacement meter upside down?
Jim
Logic: Method used to arrive at the wrong conclusion, with confidence.? Murphy


On Thursday, April 17, 2025 at 11:25:01 AM CDT, Nick, W1NJC via groups.io <njc@...> wrote:


This is a long shot, but I need the S meter for the SX-23 I've restored.? It looks like maybe a fairly standard round meter could be made to work.? It's a 1mA full scale type, however I've discovered that the original seems to have mechanical zero on the right instead of the left.? That is, the maximum current through the meter is when the RF signal is at minimum.? As the RF signal increases, the meter current goes down.
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Does anyone have any info on this meter, or better, have one laying around?? Barring that, how about any ideas on how I could get some kind of meter into this radio which looks decent and is functional?
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Thanks,
Nick W1NJC


WTB/Info SX-23 S meter

 

This is a long shot, but I need the S meter for the SX-23 I've restored.? It looks like maybe a fairly standard round meter could be made to work.? It's a 1mA full scale type, however I've discovered that the original seems to have mechanical zero on the right instead of the left.? That is, the maximum current through the meter is when the RF signal is at minimum.? As the RF signal increases, the meter current goes down.
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Does anyone have any info on this meter, or better, have one laying around?? Barring that, how about any ideas on how I could get some kind of meter into this radio which looks decent and is functional?
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Thanks,
Nick W1NJC


Wanted Halli Spinner Knob

 

I'd like to buy a Halli main tuning spinner knob like those used on the SR150, 400, HT-44, SX-117.? I want to use it on my SR-500.? Thanks.? 73, Scott WA9WFA


Re: BRAIN BELCH

 

That's great, Walt. I have encountered a couple of? noisy sockets in this SR-150 but have yet to get such good results.

Did the voltage checks around the Driver and Finals finding that with 120VAC from my line the supply voltages are all running higher than what's given in the chart. 270 instead of 250 for example. The HI B+ is 657 no load, 625 in MOX and 600 under key down. With 140 ma indicated that translates to around 84 watts. Still below spec I believe.

Don't currently have a scope that I am used to working with right now. My old ones died and have not really learned the latest replacement yet to make the measurement you suggested.

At least getting consistent responses now.

73 ... Ed



On Tuesday, April 15, 2025 at 03:07:28 PM CDT, waltcates via groups.io <cateswa@...> wrote:


You know, sometimes a fellow needs?to follow his own advice.?

I have been working on an SR-160. As of this morning I had put 12 hours into it. I was getting nowhere. I spent considerable time ensuring that all alignment was perfect. Every time I turned it on it acted differently. I don't know why, but?I started wiggling tubes. Almost every tube brought forth loud crashes from the speaker. I said to myself "Well dummy clean the tube sockets and pins".?

Guess what, I now have the sweetest running SR-160. The receiver is running 22 to 26 db s+n:n. The transmitter runs 120 to 135 watts across all three bands.

Well, that was my last rig on the shelf. So now I am looking for another project. I have not had a HT-40 on my bench for 15 or 20?years. So, I am looking for a complete unit. It doesn't need to function as long as it has not been butchered inside and has a readable front panel. So anyone with one that has been on the back shelf for years and is willing to part with it contact me off forum.

?73


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



Re: BRAIN BELCH

 

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Walt ??that obvious simple test, should be near the top of everybody’s routine? test list; but get some asbestos gloves first, it is one test that can bite back. I know I don’t have to tell you that, DO I??? do you really count time. It would be depressing for me; so put the clock out the window.

Oh I just wanted to say good going again.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of waltcates via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2025 4:07 PM
To: HALLI IO GROUP
Subject: [HallicraftersRadios] BRAIN BELCH

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You know, sometimes a fellow needs?to follow his own advice.?

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I have been working on an SR-160. As of this morning I had put 12 hours into it. I was getting nowhere. I spent considerable time ensuring that all alignment was perfect. Every time I turned it on it acted differently. I don't know why, but?I started wiggling tubes. Almost every tube brought forth loud crashes from the speaker. I said to myself "Well dummy clean the tube sockets and pins".?

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Guess what, I now have the sweetest running SR-160. The receiver is running 22 to 26 db s+n:n. The transmitter runs 120 to 135 watts across all three bands.

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Well, that was my last rig on the shelf. So now I am looking for another project. I have not had a HT-40 on my bench for 15 or 20?years. So, I am looking for a complete unit. It doesn't need to function as long as it has not been butchered inside and has a readable front panel. So anyone with one that has been on the back shelf for years and is willing to part with it contact me off forum.

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?73

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Walt Cates, WD0GOF

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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.

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BRAIN BELCH

 

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You know, sometimes a fellow needs?to follow his own advice.?

I have been working on an SR-160. As of this morning I had put 12 hours into it. I was getting nowhere. I spent considerable time ensuring that all alignment was perfect. Every time I turned it on it acted differently. I don't know why, but?I started wiggling tubes. Almost every tube brought forth loud crashes from the speaker. I said to myself "Well dummy clean the tube sockets and pins".?

Guess what, I now have the sweetest running SR-160. The receiver is running 22 to 26 db s+n:n. The transmitter runs 120 to 135 watts across all three bands.

Well, that was my last rig on the shelf. So now I am looking for another project. I have not had a HT-40 on my bench for 15 or 20?years. So, I am looking for a complete unit. It doesn't need to function as long as it has not been butchered inside and has a readable front panel. So anyone with one that has been on the back shelf for years and is willing to part with it contact me off forum.

?73


Walt Cates, WD0GOF
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A majority of acceptance is not proof of correctness.



Re: S-38B Power Consumption

 

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Ron that scheme sounds like ?as is here , but the source transformer is also grounded.

I asked about the switch location for the usual reason?? and in your case where it might see 230 volts, rather than the expected 115 as designed. who knows the switch rating? I mention that in caution, so you can plan one way or the other.

P.S. Those resistors were intended to be run on the top side of the world, they don’t work well so far below sea level.

Good luck

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ron Sharp via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 9:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-38B Power Consumption

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Don,

Australia runs 230VAC 50 Hz but typically measures around 240VAC. The arrangement you described sounds like our wiring. The system we use is called MEN or Multiple Earth Neutral system in that the cold (or neutral) line is grounded at the point of entry to the house (at the fuse/meter box) via a copper stake into the ground. The hot, neutral and ground wires are extended to all outlets. I believe the multiple earth neutral terminology comes from the fact that there are lots of points along the distribution route where the the neutral is grounded, not just at the source.

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I intend to use a three prong plug and ground the chassis. As far as the ON/OFF goes I will probably rewire it so that it is in the primary of the transformer if I install it in the cabinet.

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As an aside, so far, every resistor? I measured (except R20) has been way out of tolerance (high) to the point that I double checked my meter against some known values. Also, R20, the 1000 ohm 1/2W resistor in the B+ line has been replaced at some stage with a 1 Watt resistor and it is showing severe signs of burning, but still measures 1000 ohms.

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Cheers


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Re: S-38B Power Consumption

 

Don,
Australia runs 230VAC 50 Hz but typically measures around 240VAC. The arrangement you described sounds like our wiring. The system we use is called MEN or Multiple Earth Neutral system in that the cold (or neutral) line is grounded at the point of entry to the house (at the fuse/meter box) via a copper stake into the ground. The hot, neutral and ground wires are extended to all outlets. I believe the multiple earth neutral terminology comes from the fact that there are lots of points along the distribution route where the the neutral is grounded, not just at the source.
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I intend to use a three prong plug and ground the chassis. As far as the ON/OFF goes I will probably rewire it so that it is in the primary of the transformer if I install it in the cabinet.
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As an aside, so far, every resistor? I measured (except R20) has been way out of tolerance (high) to the point that I double checked my meter against some known values. Also, R20, the 1000 ohm 1/2W resistor in the B+ line has been replaced at some stage with a 1 Watt resistor and it is showing severe signs of burning, but still measures 1000 ohms.
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Cheers


Re: Hallicrafters S-107 Very First version...Not the MK1

 

Digging in more on this S107. Finding more and more that have been done wrong. For some reason when it was recapped, the person used a .02 mfd electrolytic cap (C53..I think it is on the schematic) where a film cap should have been used. This may be the culprit of the 1k ohm resistor heating up that goes off the 6k6gt audio tube. Will be reworking the can cap and remove the mess underneath the radio. And instead of using a 680 ohm and 1.2k ohm 2 watt resistor off the 6k6, they used 2 680 ohm 2 watt resistors. I am sure this is not helping either.?