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Re: Website Anniversary
Great and Useful site!! Thanks wa3gin On Fri, Feb 7, 2025 at 2:29?PM Bill (Group Owner) via <k2wh=[email protected]> wrote:
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On Feb 7, 2025, at 2:29?PM, Bill (Group Owner) via groups.io <k2wh@...> wrote:
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Re: Website Anniversary
Happy Anniversary! ????? ? Joe Connor
On Friday, February 7, 2025 at 02:29:23 PM EST, Bill (Group Owner) via groups.io <k2wh@...> wrote:
Well believe it or not, its been 20 years, this site has been active and strong for Hallicrafters Radios.
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Started in 2005 as a lark, I am amazed we now have 1,075 members.
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With thanks to all our Hallicrafters Experts on this site and they are experts for sure.e
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Regards, and have fun.
K2WH
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Website Anniversary
Well believe it or not, its been 20 years, this site has been active and strong for Hallicrafters Radios.
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Started in 2005 as a lark, I am amazed that we now have 1,078 members.
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With thanks to all our Hallicrafters Experts on this site and they are experts for sure.
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Its been educational.
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Regards, and have fun.
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRichard what does turning the dial clockwise ?actually mean? If it was a rotating pointer on a fixed scale it is fairly clear that the POINTER rotates CW. And the numbers stay fixed, but on a rotating scale with a fixed pointer, the physical scale might rotate CW but the values on the scale might be going up or down as you rotate. If they had a 1¡100 scale ?one could just say turn it to position 1 or 100, but? I fear the use of CW,CCW with Rotating dials or Rotating scales ?can be confusing.? ? the condition while attempting aligning is that there might just be too much capacitance.. obvious on two bands in 2 tanks each. So now in this wonky situation, just to see what id going on. Ignore all that and try to get the tanks to resonate higher?? ?by ensuring the ?BS capacitor rotor itself is wide open. ?I thought Emanuele said he did that, but I¡¯m not sure. ?? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 7:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak! ? Note that the direction of the dial and knob for bandspread are Richard you deleted my image in the reference so others might wonder
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýEmanuele, this is late. Your statement here seems to eliminate the idea that the BS setting is the problem. The other day while taking my truck tire off at a tire place, the hex part of the security nut shattered, leaving a small bit holding the wheel on and no way to get it loose. Finally today a mechanic guy worked and worked and finally got it out. It takes persistence sometimes. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuele Girlando via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 5:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak! ? Richard, we do cross posted. Today I also started to think the band spread variable capacitor was stringed reversed.. But I checked it and, in fully clockwise position (the one indicated for alignment), the cap is at minimal capacitance (blades all out). ? Emanuele (IU1KNR). -- don??? va3drl |
Re: Missing page S2001A
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Thanks Pete. I appreciate the complement.
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I find it very gratifying that my work helps someone bring a piece of
equipment back to life. It also provides me with the joyful option of bringing a
possibly bug invested, stored in a garage or basement for 50 of 60 years into a
worthwhile and useful document that others can read, use and enjoy.
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Of course, one can find poorly scanned, incomplete, and highly marked up
pages all over the Internet, but even when printed, crap is crap, and stuff is
always lost in the transition.
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I just finished a military manual for a customer. Roughly 200 pages but
easy to do even though every page, because of age, was brown. My machine can
remove background paper color. But the hicker and hard part, were the five
schematics. They were 14 inches high and 52 inches wide. And I decided these
were to be done full size. A customer never has to assemble and tape any of my
manual pages.
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This entire project started back in the mid 90's as a bonding project
between father and son. Son was in his second high school year but didn't seem
to have any idea about his future life endeavors. Since I was dragging
boatanchors home to repair and get up and running,?from every hamfest I
went to, my collection of manuals for this stuff started to become a pain to
manage.? My son created database to manage all the manuals that I also kept
collecting. He also suggested creating a catalog booklet, advertising in
Electric Radio and a few other publications, and send out the catalog to all
interested parties.? I firmly believe this gave him a sense of business
activities and helped firm up (or at least give direction) to his future. He
also created my first web site and credit him for giving it its name.
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After? high school he worked for a year before applying and being
accepted at Boston Bible College at Hyde Park, MA. He felt he should earn the
money to pay for college rather then taking it for granted. For 3 summers while
in his college years, he worked at Lucent Technologies as a contractor and used
the money earned for tuition.
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My apologies to the group for rambling, but I'm very proud of my son. I
gave him a license manual when he was around seven. When he turned around 27, he
finally found the time to become KB1JTP.
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Pete, wa2cwa
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2025 12:50:53 +0000 (UTC) "peteradio@... via groups.io" <peteradio@...>
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýEmmanuel ??Oh I sent? more cross-posting. Now back at square one ? Entropy is increasing quickly. So you are back to the apparent ?too-much capacitance or inductance, and similar problem for 4 tank circuits.. strange¡ ?Emmanuel ?we don¡¯t know the history so presumably this radio is new to you. did it ever work ok on band one? Is there a sign of somebody mucking about around the coils and bandswitch. Could there be a cross between band one and two tanks maybe due to little clearance?...another longshot Now I am just wondering out loud, the RF for the 2 HF bands seem to use transformers with slugs, and you can see them on the layout, but for band 1,2 there are trimmers shown but no transformer or coil on the layout so perhaps ¡°L3¡± has a simple winding for band 1 and another for band 2 ????? same situation and question for the mixer tanks? So what would happen if L3 had a common ground connection terminal and a bad connection to ground ? OR something? ??could L3 have been changed ?another longshot Another thought; I wonder if the alignment instructions are as complete as for older radios.? My thought is that both ends of the oscillator should be set first and any interaction eliminated by repeating the C22 and C25 ?adjustments etc, then set the RF trimmers. It is hard to see it making a big difference¡ Richard, Emanule, whoever?? A last resort might be to? find the resonant point of each tank at the top end and the bottom end of the main tuning for bands 1 and then 2. ???? Richard has just added some confusion so this is going now as-is only thoughts. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuele Girlando via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 5:21 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak! ? Richard, we do cross posted. Today I also started to think the band spread variable capacitor was stringed reversed.. But I checked it and, in fully clockwise position (the one indicated for alignment), the cap is at minimal capacitance (blades all out). ? Emanuele (IU1KNR). _._,_._,_
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Note that the direction of the dial and knob for bandspread are
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reversed. See instructions about replacing the dial string. The index mark on the dials is at the LOW end, with capacitors fully meshed. I read this over carefully. The _band set_ position of the band spread is with the dial at the high frequency end of each band, that is, capacitor UN meshed. but the instructions for setting the dials is to fully mesh the caps and use the index mark at the low end of both dials. Also, a note states that the LO is at ABOVE the signal on all bands except the highest (band 4) where it is below the signal (as I suspected). The problem with clockwise and counter-clockwise is whether this is the knob or dial direction, because they are opposite. However, looking at the capacitor plates is unmistakable. Fully meshed for dial stringing and setting the reference of the dials, band spread fully open when setting the main dial for frequency and for alignment. On 2/6/2025 2:25 PM, don Root wrote: Richard you deleted my image in the reference so others might wonder -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Where its supposed to be I think.
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As far as your last post, I was looking for something like this. I was tempted to suggest getting rid of the high tech instruments and sticking to a regular signal generator as prescribed in the instructions. This is really a very simple receiver and should be easy to align. Remove as many variables as possible, such as a spectrum analyzer and sweeper. Maybe after doing an alignment with the simplest tools. A modern signal generator will have reasonable calibration accuracy for both frequency and output level. A counter or even just a crystal calibrator will do for adjusting dial calibration. The spectrum analyzer is helpful for signal tracing, if necessary, and to determine which side of the local oscillator the signal is on. On the broadcast band its possible that if you are on the wrong side (will be below the signal) you will simply run out of range at the low end. That could be what is wrong. Actually, a simple broadcast receiver should hear the LO and tell you where it is. Should be the signal frequency plus 455Khz. Obviously, if its tuning below the signal it will probably stop oscillating at some point. At the lowest frequency of the broadcast band, usually 535 Khz, the LO would have to be at 80Khz. Might be the reason it stops working at about mid band. Again, its likely the top band is opposite of the others, i.e. the LO will be below the signal. This is often the case in older multi-band receivers because the oscillator/mixer may have higher conversion gain there. Depends on the tube used. Unfortunately, handbooks often don't tell you this. The assumption being the tuning will be only touch up and not far from the factory settings. We are dealing with antiques and some of the assumptions made by the manufacturer are simply not so. Good luck, I think you are on your way. On 2/6/2025 2:20 PM, Emanuele Girlando via groups.io wrote:
Richard, we do cross posted. -- Richard Knoppow Los Angeles WB6KBL SKCC 19998 |
Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRichard you deleted my image in the reference so others might wonder about some stuff missing, but no real matter there. My thought to verify the bandspread is simply to turn the BS dial CW ? and knob? ?CW and look at the BS capacitor meshing. It should be open! ??right? ?If somehow it is not it needs fixing first. ? If it is ok, it¡¯s back to square one. We will have to recruit a real expert. ? Richard ?FYI only now: From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Knoppow via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 4:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak! ? Which way is the band spread capacitor facing? Capacitance should -- don??? va3drl |
Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Richard, we do cross posted.
Today I also started to think the band spread variable capacitor was stringed reversed..
But I checked it and, in fully clockwise position (the one indicated for alignment), the cap is at minimal capacitance (blades all out).
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Wait a minute guys ... SORRY guys!!!!!
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Using the SA for RF alignment led me astray, .. and you all with me!
Don, you say need education ... from my side I would say I need a medical treatment for my brain!!
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We are not looking for the peak at the resonant frequency, as you would do aligning an IF, but we are looking for the MAX at the indicated frequencies. Operating this way the? entire response curve of the band takes on an ideal shape and the peak will be placed approximately in the middle.
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This picture sketches what I mean...
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Looking that happenin in real time makes things much more clear.
This also explains why the radio is performing well.
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Still, band 1 & 2 won't get to a MAX at the indicated frequencies.
Releasing the TRIMCAPs from fully tight to fully released the signal (and the entire curve with it) goes always up and never down until the TRIMCAP reaches its end stop.
I would say: they go to "highest possible value"...
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Emanuele (IU1KNR).
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Which way is the band spread capacitor facing? Capacitance should
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be minimum with dial at zero. This is Halicrafters design, on non-calibrated band spreads the dial indicates the amount of capitance. I think calibrated dials are set for the logging scale to be the same but in any case the band set is generally at the high end of the band. The dial cord is backwards of its orientation on later receivers like the S-40. The string crosses over. BTW, I wondered about this. My S-40A came with the band spread string reversed and stop peg facing the opposite way to that shown in the handbooks. I reversed it. In its original position the band spread went from zero to 100 but in what I thought was the correct position it stops at about 95. Same for the S-20R. It made me wonder if the original position was correct and there is a global error in the handbooks for all this series of receivers. The position as shown in the S-85 handbook seems to confirm this. A puzzle. At some point I will try reversing the cable in both receivers. In any case, at ZERO the band spread is at minimum band spread capacitance, plates turned out from stator, this is as it should be regardless of the cord. On 2/6/2025 1:13 PM, don Root wrote: Emanuele --
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýEmanuele I NEED EDUCATION ?on reading these new scopes and such Wrt your previous post; I have no reason to believe there is a problem in the IF. My last post made wrong assumptions on the reading the scope, so my conclusions are wrong; and I agree the RF tuning on the first tank in band 1? is way out it seems. I keep wondering why 4 tanks seem to have the same problem. ?Is it possible that the bandspread dial stringing is reversed? ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Emanuele Girlando via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2025 4:25 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [HallicraftersRadios] S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak! ? Don, here is my picture interpretation: ? Richard: ¡¤?????? "So, what is this about .5Mhz and 370 and 220 Khz? ". Those are the delta values between peak and the desired frequency as reported by the Delta marker (rounded). ¡¤?????? The IF alignment has been remade from scratch by using the "visual" approach (first 3 pictures). ¡¤?????? "The position of the peaks on the RF will be affected somewhat by the dummy load". If you meant the "dummy antenna" I fully agree. I'm gonna try the same test removing the dummy antenna from the equation. I'll report as soon as I get time to work on that. Correction to my previous post: "...all signals (and the noise as well) tend to disappear below .5MHz" should read "... below 1MHz" that is in the lower half of the band. ? Thank you guys! Emanuele (IU1KNR). ? -- don??? va3drl |
Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Hy.
I can confirm that the dummy antenna is not influencing the peaks points.
I tried the tests just getting the TG output physically close to the antenna connector and nothing changed but the vertical values..
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Re: Missing page SR-2000
HAHA, WellPete, thanks for your thoughts. You sound a bit sour this morning. Cheer up, it's Terrific Thursday. I've had great luck with reproduction from the Internet. Print and photo quality is beyond?ample and the price and delivery time is right!? It's nice to have a hard copy (mid-century habits die hard)? but life is a lot more fun when one can display the information on a 100" screen or whiteboard and draw a modified circuit over the original.? 73 dave wa3gin On Thu, Feb 6, 2025 at 4:02?AM Peter A Markavage via <pmarkavage=[email protected]> wrote:
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As a loyal customer of yours, who has purchased numerous manuals from you,over the decades, I find your quality, pricing and delivery outstanding! Keep up the good work and thanks for all the free advice you have provided,and continue to provide, to the amateur community regarding vintage gear! 73's Pete W8AA
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Re: S-85 refurbish: I've got a problem during the RF alignment of bands 1 and 2 - trimcaps don't peak!
Don,
here is my picture interpretation:
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Richard:
Correction to my previous post:
"...all signals (and the noise as well) tend to disappear below .5MHz" should read "... below 1MHz" that is in the lower half of the band.
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Thank you guys!
Emanuele (IU1KNR).
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Obviously, as the old saying goes, "you get what you pay for". A lot of the
manual stuff floating around the Internet is of poor quality, poor readability,
questionable completeness, and a wonder if the person scanning the document did
it with one or both eyes closed. And personally, I really don't care what you
do; some people?are happy with?expectations that are lower then
others. Been doing this stuff for roughly 30 years with customers in all 50
states and 150 countries,? so there are many that value the work. Plus, I
also do speciality manual replications for several amateur radio retailers for
resale. And if the demand ever goes to zero, we'll have a lot of fun at the
paper recycling center.
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Life is good!
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On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:39:38 -0500 "Dave Jordan via groups.io" <wa3gin@...>
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