I'm one of the many who have moved from Yahoo Groups.

a) I now have 1000+ members that are set to Moderated after first post. Unmoderating them one at a time seems .. painful, so there has to be a better way?

b) I don't want new users to be moderated. Is there a path to this? I want people to be able to join, and then not be moderated. That was a choice for us in Yahoo Groups, and it was never a problem.

thanks!

Similarly, if I want to change the moderation setting for all members, I don't appear to be able to select all, just 20 at a time?

Rick,

a) I now have 1000+ members that are set to Moderated after first
post. Unmoderating them one at a time seems .. painful, so there has
to be a better way?

Use the feature as it was intended: wait until a member posts, and then approve his/her message.

That will unmoderate him/her automatically, depending on your group's Unmoderate After selection. This minimizes your effort, and defers it until needed. And, because you can approve messages using the web or by email (reply to the Message Approval Needed notice), it is something you can do whichever way is easiest for you at the moment. Lurkers who don't post don't take up any of your time.

b) I don't want new users to be moderated. Is there a path to this?

You must choose (at least) one of the boxes in the Spam Control section of your group's Settings page. So if not New Users Moderated, Restricted Membership is your next most likely choice.

Like approving messages, you can approve membership requests by web or email, whichever is most convenient at the moment.

I want people to be able to join, and then not be moderated. That was
a choice for us in Yahoo Groups, and it was never a problem.

Both unrestricted and unmoderated is not an option here. It may not have been a problem for your Yahoo Group, but many Yahoo Groups were overrun by spammers when their admins stopped paying attention. Groups.io does not want that happening here.

Similarly, if I want to change the moderation setting for all

members, > I don't appear to be able to select all, just 20 at a time?

You can change the number of members per page, up to 100, using the Items Per Page setting on the Preferences in your Account. There is an "Infinite Scroll" option for that setting, but others have reported problems with that choice on some pages, so I don't recommend it.

Shal


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On 11/9/2019 2:17 AM, Shal Farley wrote:

> a) I now have 1000+ members that are set to Moderated after first
> post. Unmoderating them one at a time seems .. painful, so there has
> to be a better way?
Use the feature as it was intended: wait until a member posts, and then approve his/her message.

Sure, I get that function. But I just transferred a fully functioning list. As I said, there should be a better way. I don't NEED to approve each post like they're new. They're not new. Fro lists bulk added from Yahoo, where I paid a pretty penny for that functionality, there's no point in not flagging all of them as not requiring moderation, and a lot of reason for those imported addresses to be flagged as not requiring moderation.

The only option is to have to manually reapprove 1000s of people? That's not a feature. That is, as I point out, painful. For each post I would have to manually go approve them. When they were already approved under Yahoo.

This is a transfer question. For those users migrated from Yahoo, I shouldn't have to go re-approve them manually. Or I should have an option to approve them all before or after the migration somewhere.

That will unmoderate him/her automatically, depending on your group's Unmoderate After selection. This minimizes your effort, and defers it until needed. And, because you can approve messages using the web or by email (reply to the Message Approval Needed notice), it is something you can do whichever way is easiest for you at the moment. Lurkers who don't post don't take up any of your time.

It doesn't minimize my effort, it creates a lot of NEW effort. On a list where people communicate, people post, and their message doesn't show up until I get around to approving it. That causes people to wonder why their email is delayed.

To say Lurkers don't take up any of my time is nonsensical. If everyone was approved, then none of this would take up any of my time. If I had the ability to apply bulk changes to the list, even this email wouldn't be taking up my time.


On most modern interfaces, where I can only see 20 people at a time (out of 1000s), I'm presented with an option when I Select All on the page for whether I want to select all users/all messages/all data. Then I just bulk approve/change all of them.

> b) I don't want new users to be moderated. Is there a path to this?
You must choose (at least) one of the boxes in the Spam Control section of your group's Settings page. So if not New Users Moderated, Restricted Membership is your next most likely choice.
Like approving messages, you can approve membership requests by web or email, whichever is most convenient at the moment.

Yes, swell I get that. Note I don't agree with it, because that's also a option that I should have available to me. It should be possible to permit people to just sign up. If that causes me spam, I could just change to a different moderation system. Given it hasn't been a problem for me, on a list that's existed since 1999, I'm not that worried about it.

> I want people to be able to join, and then not be moderated. That was
> a choice for us in Yahoo Groups, and it was never a problem.
Both unrestricted and unmoderated is not an option here. It may not have been a problem for your Yahoo Group, but many Yahoo Groups were overrun by spammers when their admins stopped paying attention. Groups.io does not want that happening here.

Well, most importantly, I wish I'd realized that philosophy before I migrated. Because that should be an option.

Heck, make it an option that it's renewable, or with a limit. But I should be able to have an unrestricted unmoderated group.

> Similarly, if I want to change the moderation setting for all
members, > I don't appear to be able to select all, just 20 at a time?
You can change the number of members per page, up to 100, using the Items Per Page setting on the Preferences in your Account. There is an "Infinite Scroll" option for that setting, but others have reported problems with that choice on some pages, so I don't recommend it.

Great, so what you're saying is the workaround is lousy, and doesn't work really well. Even more support for a "select all" option somewhere.

I can semi-bulk approve everyone to not be moderated (100 at a time). OK, that's better than 20 at a time at least. I suggest that if that's the case, I should ALSO be able to just "Select ALL" on that interface. If I can do it a painful way, I should also be able to do it a simple way.

Rick

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Rick Steeves wrote:

Well, most importantly, I wish I'd realized that philosophy before I migrated. Because that should be an option.

If you'd read the information when setting up the group to transfer into, you'd have read that you must have at least one choice in the Spam Control set.? It sounds to me like you chose Unmoderate After x Messages.? If you'd chosen Restricted instead, all members would be approved and not need a message approved.? There will never be an option for automatic approval without moderating any messages.

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On 11/9/2019 12:13 PM, Duane wrote:

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 10:41 AM, Rick Steeves wrote:

Well, most importantly, I wish I'd realized that philosophy before I
migrated. Because that should be an option.

If you'd read the information when setting up the group to transfer into, you'd have read that you must have at least one choice in the Spam Control set.? It sounds to me like you chose Unmoderate After x Messages.? If you'd chosen Restricted instead, all members would be approved and not need a message approved.? There will never be an option for automatic approval without moderating any messages.

As I said, I wish I'd understood that overarching philosophy of groups.io before I migrated. Because that should be an option. I believe that philosophy is unique to groups.io. It's absolutely not a feature. It might be an intentional design limitation, but it is a limitation.

I don't believe, in the migration documents, it's clear that "Restricted" would specifically auto-approve everyone on the migration. It likely should be clarified in that context.

And, thank you, I had read everything on the information. I just hadn't realized the context of it being a limitation of the functionality of groups.io. That it has additional methods of managing moderation over other software? Great. It's nonsensical to me that, with the generally more complete functionality of groups.io, that's it's missing a feature of every other email list software.

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 11:46 AM, Diane wrote:

You’d still have to approve each member as they asked to join wouldn’t you?

Yes, you would for new members, but not those transferred.? The GIO policy is that you need an approval step somewhere in the new member queue.

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:46 PM, Diane wrote:

You’d still have to approve each member as they asked to join wouldn’t you? So it’s still an approval step, which I think he is trying to avoid.

True. You have to either approve the subscriber, or his first message.?

Groups.io is very sensitive about its reputation as a spam-free zone. Others may feel differently, but I wouldn't want it any other way.

Bruce

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 05:48 PM, Rick Steeves wrote:

It might be an intentional design limitation, but it is a limitation.

I suspect that there are quite a lot of Groups.io Group Owners and Moderators who either do not share that view, or at least are perfectly happy to work within it.

It is more troublesome than Yahoo has been with its somewhat erratic performance, or even the fact that for most practical purposes it is now shutting down?

Chris

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On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 12:59 PM, Diane wrote:

So if we are on “Restricted”, all migrated members will not need to make a post to get off moderation?

Yes.

Then we can turn off restricted after the migration is complete?

You can, but you'll have to turn on something else.

Bruce

Rick,

Sure, I get that function. But I just transferred a fully functioning
list.

Any subscription copied over should have retained its posting privilege from the Yahoo Group. They won't be affected by the Spam Control settings.

Yahoo Groups have no equivalent to Groups.io's NuM privilege, so we can't be talking about such members. Is your concern with others who joined independently?

The only option is to have to manually reapprove 1000s of people?

No, any subscription copied over from your Yahoo Group is copied in as a member - they would not need any approval to join regardless of the Restricted Membership checkbox.

This is a transfer question. For those users migrated from Yahoo, I
shouldn't have to go re-approve them manually.

You don't.

It doesn't minimize my effort, it creates a lot of NEW effort.

Only for the first message from someone who joins your group. Not for anyone brought in by transfer.

Great, so what you're saying is the workaround is lousy, and doesn't
work really well.

I'm not saying that because I haven't tried it.

I can semi-bulk approve everyone to not be moderated (100 at a time).

I recommend choosing the "Use Group Moderation Setting" for the members, then in the Group's Settings page leave the Moderated box unchecked.

That will give you the future flexibility to change the entire group to Moderated, temporarily, in the event of a flame war or other disruption.

Shal


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