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Help! (please)

I am transferring a Yahoo Group¡¯s messages over to ?by the rough and ready expedient of posting PGO Digests one at a time as new Messages.?

Each Digest contains 50 Yahoo messages in HTML, and their sizes range from 200kb to 800kb, viz long, but uncomplicated and not ever so big.

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of the 50 Yahoo messages.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.

Any suggestions, please?
I¡¯d like to get the Archive loaded before letting the Users back in, and they are hammering on the gates (we deal in Serious Illness).

Thanks, David 1/2d
 

David,

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only
display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of
the 50 Yahoo messages.
At the point where the message is cut off, is there a blue box that says "Show quoted text"?

If so, click that. That's based on the theory that something about the content at that point is triggering Groups.io's response to top-posting (hides the bottom-quotes).

If not, perhaps there's something funky in the HTML at that point that causes Groups.io's render to believe it has reached the end of the message content.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when
I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-
stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.
If you know your way around HTML code you might be able to diagnose and fix it using the Source Code tool in the message editor.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks#-C2A0Source-code

Shal


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Thanks, Shall, I¡¯ll give it a go.

My ideal target is for a new member to be able to open the old messages in Expanded View and read them from top to bottom in order - no gaps.

David

On 12 Jan 2020, at 07:47, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

David,

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only
display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of
the 50 Yahoo messages.
At the point where the message is cut off, is there a blue box that says "Show quoted text"?

If so, click that. That's based on the theory that something about the content at that point is triggering Groups.io's response to top-posting (hides the bottom-quotes).

If not, perhaps there's something funky in the HTML at that point that causes Groups.io's render to believe it has reached the end of the message content.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when
I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-
stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.
If you know your way around HTML code you might be able to diagnose and fix it using the Source Code tool in the message editor.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks#-C2A0Source-code

Shal


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Reading my own message has given me the Clue to get out of the email fix.

Previously I¡¯ve pasted the PGO Digests into emails that I then sent to my Groups.
Now I¡¯ve switched to pasting the Digests directly into New Topics on the group website, starting with the most recent.
Which, when read Expanded read from top to bottom as one single continuous story :-)

Moreover, by creating these in an Announcement-Only Sub-Group called ¡®Yahoo Archive¡¯, I don¡¯t risk ¡®live¡¯ messages getting embedded between ¡®archive¡¯ ones as I plod through the uploads.

Whether these pasted messages display correctly, only time will tell, but at least Shal¡¯s shown me where to dig for the Bodies :-)

Thanks, David 1/2d

On 12 Jan 2020, at 10:32, David Halfpenny via Groups.Io <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:

Thanks, Shall, I¡¯ll give it a go.

My ideal target is for a new member to be able to open the old messages in Expanded View and read them from top to bottom in order - no gaps.

David

On 12 Jan 2020, at 07:47, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

David,

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only
display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of
the 50 Yahoo messages.

At the point where the message is cut off, is there a blue box that says "Show quoted text"?

If so, click that. That's based on the theory that something about the content at that point is triggering 's response to top-posting (hides the bottom-quotes).

If not, perhaps there's something funky in the HTML at that point that causes 's render to believe it has reached the end of the message content.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when
I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-
stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.

If you know your way around HTML code you might be able to diagnose and fix it using the Source Code tool in the message editor.
/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Message-composition-tips-and-tricks#-C2A0Source-code

Shal


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A few possibilities:

There were known issues between Yahoo Neo and (at least some) HTML emails where the message bodies were not visible in the web interface. (Unless you used the view message source option). I have seen it in cases where the sending email client only added basic mail formatting tags.

There were additional issues over the last few days the Yahoo Neo web interface was up, where sometimes messages would load fully and sometimes they would be blank, as the server was throwing intermittent errors.

Depending on how PGO was extracting messages from Yahoo (if it was taking the HTML version), and depending on what errors Yahoo was throwing when PGO was running, I would expect some of the symptoms you are seeing.

Recommendation: use the Yahoo Get My Data (GMD) request process. It will give you the message archive in MBOX format. This should also avoid the scenarios I listed above, and it will give you files you can view in Mozilla Thunderbird or Sylpheed or other email programs that support importing from MBOX. I have also read that has (or is working on) a GMD import option for premium groups.

Note: there is also the possibility that something isn't working right with itself, but I expect the other scenarios to be more likely.



On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 22:53 David Halfpenny via Groups.Io <david.halfpenny=[email protected]> wrote:
Help! (please)

I am transferring a Yahoo Group¡¯s messages over to ?by the rough and ready expedient of posting PGO Digests one at a time as new Messages.?

Each Digest contains 50 Yahoo messages in HTML, and their sizes range from 200kb to 800kb, viz long, but uncomplicated and not ever so big.

The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of the 50 Yahoo messages.

At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.

Any suggestions, please?
I¡¯d like to get the Archive loaded before letting the Users back in, and they are hammering on the gates (we deal in Serious Illness).

Thanks, David 1/2d
 

Thanks, Haudy,
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The Missing Messages all downloaded correctly via PGO,?
they all display correctly in Chrome,
and they are all visible correctly during Editing of the message containing them.
?
But none of that means they don¡¯t contain bugs :-)
?
What I¡¯ve done is delete all the Emailed Digests, and instead I¡¯ve Pasted them directly into Web Messages. It¡¯s a very similar process of course, but slightly easier, and after a bit I could do two a minute.

When I¡¯ve got the site working, I¡¯ll go back and check how they display.

David
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On 12 Jan 2020, at 18:39, Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010@...> wrote:
A few possibilities:
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There were known issues between Yahoo Neo and (at least some) HTML emails where the message bodies were not visible in the web interface. (Unless you used the view message source option). I have seen it in cases where the sending email client only added basic mail formatting tags.
?
There were additional issues over the last few days the Yahoo Neo web interface was up, where sometimes messages would load fully and sometimes they would be blank, as the server was throwing intermittent errors.
?
Depending on how PGO was extracting messages from Yahoo (if it was taking the HTML version), and depending on what errors Yahoo was throwing when PGO was running, I would expect some of the symptoms you are seeing.
?
Recommendation: use the Yahoo Get My Data (GMD) request process. It will give you the message archive in MBOX format. This should also avoid the scenarios I listed above, and it will give you files you can view in Mozilla Thunderbird or Sylpheed or other email programs that support importing from MBOX. I have also read that has (or is working on) a GMD import option for premium groups.
?
Note: there is also the possibility that something isn't working right with itself, but I expect the other scenarios to be more likely.
?


On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 22:53 David Halfpenny via Groups.Io <david.halfpenny=[email protected]> wrote:
Help! (please)
?
I am transferring a Yahoo Group¡¯s messages over to ?by the rough and ready expedient of posting PGO Digests one at a time as new Messages.?
?
Each Digest contains 50 Yahoo messages in HTML, and their sizes range from 200kb to 800kb, viz long, but uncomplicated and not ever so big.
?
The majority of messages display just fine, but about a third only display the top part of the content; occasionally only one or two of the 50 Yahoo messages.
?
At first I imagined the message must be arriving incomplete, yet when I go into Edit Message, there it all is, right down to the last full-stop.
But on closing the Editor, the display remains as broken as ever.
?
Any suggestions, please?
I¡¯d like to get the Archive loaded before letting the Users back in, and they are hammering on the gates (we deal in Serious Illness).
?
Thanks, David 1/2d
?
?

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