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question abpout bouncing


 

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I?ve got more than 60 members marked as “hard” bounced. Unfortunately I can?t see since when. I can only see when they joined the group, but that doensn?t help…

What do other group owners do with them?

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Victoria


 

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Addition to my question: I just saw that all the bounced ones have a yahoo-address. Is there an issue with group.io members who have yahoo-addresses?

Victoria

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Von: victoria [mailto:dr.vcaesar@...]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 17.
April 2018 12:05
An: '[email protected]' <
[email protected]>
Betreff: question about bouncing

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I?ve got more than 60 members marked as “hard” bounced. Unfortunately I can?t see since when. I can only see when they joined the group, but that doesn?t help…

What do other group owners do with them?

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Victoria


 

What has helped me is to check their Delivery History. Go to Admin, Members, Bouncing (that just makes it easier to find the list of bouncers); then under each individual click "Email Delivery History" at the top. You may (or may not) be able to garner more information from those entries.

Barb


 

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I have deleted them, and none have rejoined under the old email address.

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Don

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Victoria
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 3:05 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [GMF] question abpout bouncing

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I?ve got more than 60 members marked as “hard” bounced. Unfortunately I can?t see since when. I can only see when they joined the group, but that doensn?t help…

What do other group owners do with them?

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Victoria


 

Go to Admin -> Members -> select Bouncing from the drop down list [Button that says Members with little triangle next to it].
Click on the member to view that member's info
Click on Email Delivery History button to view all the bounce messages.? The error message will give you more info to research further.
Toby


 

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Thanks, Paul and Toby. I?ve been reading through the bouncing thread here, and I hope I can handle this. By the way I cannot find any function to send the automatical bouncing email as it was possible with yahoo.

Victoria


 

If you click on the line listing a member in the bounced members display it will take you to their information. Once there you can click on "Activity History" to see when they were originally bounced. You can also click on "Email Delivery History" to see what the error message was.

Yahoo seems to be having trouble with their email system causing some to bounce. The error message I see from Yahoo addresses most often is "554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted". I have no idea what that means. It doesn't really tell you if the address is no longer valid or if there is just some problem with the server.

I generally wait, sending occasional bounce probes, until the addresses are Bounced, with a red B, and then try sending a email directly to the person. If that bounces as well I usually remove them from the email list. I'm not sure what to do about the Yahoo addresses though. If the problem is with the Yahoo system it may be that the problem will be fixed eventually.

Jonathan

On 4/17/2018 5:29 AM, Victoria wrote:
Addition to my question: I just saw that all the bounced ones have a yahoo-address. Is there an issue with group.io members who have yahoo-addresses?
Victoria
*Von:*victoria [mailto:dr.vcaesar@...]
*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 17. April 2018 12:05
*An:* '[email protected]' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
*Betreff:* question about bouncing
I?ve got more than 60 members marked as “hard” bounced. Unfortunately I can?t see since when. I can only see when they joined the group, but that doesn?t help…
What do other group owners do with them?
Victoria


 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 03:40 am, Victoria wrote:
Addition to my question: I just saw that all the bounced ones have a yahoo-address.
About a month ago, Yahoo email servers were having a lot of problems. So it may be related to that.?

See also this from the GMF Wiki regarding Yahoo transfers:

"It's not unusual for a significant fraction of YG members' email addresses to begin bouncing after the transfer is complete. Many of these will be members previously on "no email" or "special notices" who perhaps got a new email address some time ago and found it easier to change their message delivery instead of unsubscribing. How much effort you want to spend chasing down these inactive accounts is up to you."

If it were me, I would manually send them all a bounce probe, just in case it's related to the server problem. If some of them unbounce themselves, fine. How much more effort you want to put into it is up to you, but if no one is actively complaining I suspect these folks aren't participating anyway.

Hope this helps,
Bruce


 

Not sure what you mean by "send the automatical bouncing email".??
There is a "Send Bounce Probe" button at the bottom of the member page of a bouncing member which resends a message to see if the address is still bouncing (getting an error).
Also see?/g/GroupManagersForum/wiki/Help-Mock-up#Bounce-Handling
Toby


 

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Barb, Toby, Jonathan, Bruce, Don,


when I click the first bounced member?s email dilivery history I get an enormous list of items.

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I copy this for you (sorry for the amount):

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1131.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1178.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1097.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1072.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1005.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1053.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1091.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1188.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1150.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1078.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1180.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1089.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1126.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1115.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 28

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1116.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1097.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1162.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1163.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1131.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1156.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1076.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1068.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1146.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1042.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1072.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1043.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1165.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1019.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1042.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1070.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1178.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1028.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1062.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 27

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1108.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1036.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1082.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1172.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1182.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1156.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1137.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1156.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1090.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1168.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1125.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1025.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1046.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1016.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1067.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1130.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1118.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1149.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1066.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1018.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1109.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1161.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 26

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1063.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1043.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1086.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1075.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1110.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1158.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1123.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1153.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1155.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1194.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1069.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1169.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1141.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1018.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1079.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1105.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1159.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1000.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1138.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1018.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

Feb 25

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554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted - mta1139.mail.ir2.yahoo.com

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This is just the first bounced member. The other 63 have more or less the same history. I don?t understand at all what all these commentaries means, neither do I understand the abreviations.

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I did find the button to send a bounce probe. So I?ll do this with all of them first before I take another step. But just deleting them doesn?t seem right to me. Because before we were transferred, I sent emails to all my close to 600 members, and at that time I already became aware of whose addresses didn?t work any more. Those I deleted. But the 64 members that are hard bounced (red b) now, must not necessarily have invalid email adresses. I don?t mind the work associated with this procedure of writing to all of them, but I try to understand what?s happening.

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One more question: How do I notice if s.o. unbounces himself?

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Thanks to all of you for answering.

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Victoria


 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 12:03 pm, Jonathan Sivier wrote:

Yahoo seems to be having trouble with their email system causing
some to bounce. The error message I see from Yahoo addresses most often
is "554 delivery error: dd Requested mail action aborted". I have no
idea what that means. It doesn't really tell you if the address is no
longer valid or if there is just some problem with the server.
I have the same problem. I have 447 members in red bounce status, most of them with Yahoo accounts. I have sent a bounce probe to all of them twice, but the number of bounced members seems to be steady and I haven't received any complaints so far.
So I'll probably just delete them and wait. If they are actually interested in the group, they will subscribe again, hopefully with a different account.

Marina


 

Based on the dates, this looks to be around the time that Yahoo was having server problems (persistent "soft" bounces). If the email address did not exist you would have gotten a different error.

Sending the bounce probe is the right thing to do. If the subscriber replies to it, that account will no longer show up as "bounced" in the member list. I don't think you will receive any email notifications but the unbounce might appear in the activity log, too.

Good luck,
Bruce