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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 02:34 AM, Marcia Hudspeth wrote:
Is there a way to put Photo Album's in alpha order?Yes.? On the Photos page, select "Sort By Title ^" from the drop down at the upper right.? Your choice now becomes the default for all of your groups.? This feature/option to remember your sort order should be available for photos within an album in a few days. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Chris ... Nothing has really changed. The user-selectable sort order was implemented and works perfectly in that you can now set the order you prefer on a given viewing, and the software remembers that sort order for the next viewing. I really don't understand your issue as nothing has changed except that the sort order now does not require an individual to reset it each visit. Why not just set the sort how YOU like to have it and forget it? Unless, of course, you want to sort differently the next time you visit PHOTOS. This is an excellent enhancement IMHO, regardless of how many people requested it.
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 08:45 AM, Denny G. wrote:
Nothing has really changed. The user-selectable sort order was implemented and works perfectly in that you can now set the order you prefer on a given viewing, and the software remembers that sort order for the next viewing.I think Chris's concern, as well as mine, is that the default sort is now newest first instead of by title.? Changing the default messed up a lot of work that some folks had done to get things in the order they wanted, so members of all those groups will need to switch back.? Now that the 'remember' is enabled, I think the default should be changed back.? Either way, there will be some members that aren't comfortable changing to another setting, so there will be complaints. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 05:41 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Many changes brought about because of requests on beta have little or no impact on those who did not request them and perhaps don't need them; this change is different in that it affects everybody, and may in fact have disadvanted more subscribers than it benefitted.I agree that default behaviors such as this should be changed with extreme caution.?The silent majority tend to be happy with things the way they are...and recently it seems that their interests have been too often subverted by a handful of people who are willing to make a lot of noise.? Not everybody maintains a presence in the beta group, and it's a very unpleasant experience to wake up one morning and find that something that once worked fine (or that you put a lot of energy into to make work fine) is now broken. Regards, Bruce -- The system Help is your friend.??/static/help |
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Chris,
I grieves me to say it but IHMO the change to the default sort orderI don't think that change alone was necessarily a mistake. However, given that it was rapidly followed by a change to remember one's chosen sort order I think it should have been rolled back first. I've said so on beta, but that topic is moderated and my post has not yet appeared there so here's what I said: "I may be too late in saying this, but perhaps you should have rolled back the prior change to date order before rolling out this change. "That would have preserved the "least astonishment" principle by having no change in site behavior until a user explicitly changes their sort order." ... I suspect that I will not be the only owner / moderator who feelsCertainly not, as others' comments in the beta topic attest. Including Duane's nearly identical request. One or two beta members have requested that the group - level defaultI think it is unlikely, given that Mark has implemented memory of the user's chosen sort order. The two could work together but that may be seen as an over-complication that would lead to further usage/support questions. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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<<<I have spent a lot of time trying to organise both Photo Album Titles, and the sequence of Photos within albums into some sort of sensible sequence. I now have to consider sending out instructions for >2500 subscribers about how to restore that order. >>>
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Is posting a msg to the group a real issue?? Mercy me.? You're not restoring any order, just displaying different options.? Do you need to send out instructions how to change the msg display from earliest to newest first?
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What if the original default was by date and you needed it by title?? Would that be onerous to explain to members how to take a click on one pull-down?? Or would you have lived with just dealing with pix by date?? I agree that a group default option may be a further (FUTURE) enhancement, but give me a break, this isn't difficult to "correct" is it?
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It might be helpful if the displayed line in the drop down was entitled "change display order."
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOur photo albums are working just like yours are, and I don¡¯t notice anything different in the order of the albums. So from my point of view, the default I used for organizing albums is the same as it was a year ago. I did notice the pictures in one album were not in order, but once I changed the order it was fine. Then I noticed if I changed the order of the pictures in one album as an owner/moderator, that changed the order of the pictures in another album to match. I have not experimented to see if only the owner/moderator can change the order for all pictures in albums, or if individual owners of albums can change the order of pictures in their own photo albums. I can say though, no matter what order change I made, stayed that way even after leaving and coming back. ? Don ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Patty Sliney via Groups.Io ? On, my photos are sortable within a Photo album, and my sort selection is staying selected, even after leaving the group, and going back.? Just click on the sort button and select from, "Name, Posted or Taken", and each option has the option to sort by first or last |
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 02:31 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
Is posting a msg to the group a real issue?I don't think so.? The real issue appears to be that it needs to be done at all.? It was supposedly changed to accommodate 'less computer-savvy' users.? Now the same problem exists, only reversed. You're not restoring any order, just displaying different options.? Do you need to send out instructions how to change the msg display from earliest to newest first?Yes, he would be restoring it to his carefully orchestrated arrangement.? If you have only computer familiar members, you're lucky.? Many folks need instructions for something that 'simple' and still get it wrong. Duane -- Help: /static/help GMF's Wiki: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Search button at the top of Messages list A few site FAQs: /static/pricing#frequently-asked-questions |
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Jim,
... or Shal's "least astonishment" ...I can't claim credit for the phrase. I used it in beta specifically because I knew Mark would know exactly what that means. A subtle comment to the casual reader, but a sledgehammer to him and other UI designers. Shal -- Help: /static/help More Help: /g/GroupManagersForum/wiki Even More Help: Search button at the top of Messages list |
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On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 04:36 PM, Chris Jones wrote:.
You¡¯ve dodged the question. If it is so onerous to explain to peeps NOW how to change the display, you would need to have lived with ¡°date¡± and had non functioning albums, correct? There¡¯s no way that so many peeps could have be told how to change the default to ¡°title¡± so that your formatting works.? AND FURTHER, it date was the only option you (and rightfully others) would obviously ask that a ¡°by title¡± function be implemented. BUT for heavens sake, don¡¯t change the default to the better (in your groups¡¯ opinion) ¡°title¡± because everyone is used to (by your group standard) the ¡°inferior¡± default? ?You would need to repeatably explain to peeps how to make one click so the album formatting ¡°works.¡±? By that standard ANY desirable function cannot be implemented as ¡°default¡± because it changes what the masses are used to seeing. ? Theres battles led worth fighting and ones that ?(IMHO) are just silly.? What will you do about peeps that are NEW joins - ?are they so dysfunctional that they cannot be told how to make one click? ?I read that it¡¯s no so much that the default was changed, as much as it is that the default isn¡¯t what you peeps might prefer.? I DO AGREE it¡¯s best to have a group option, but in the meantime it¡¯s not fatal. [mod note: I think this argument has gone beyond being a battle worth fighting. We'll see if Mark chooses to roll back the change of default or not.] |
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Okay, IMHO, feel that anytime you have to develop a "workaround" to compensate for the way software was written is "nuts". And, that is what appears some have done to get around the old PHOTOS default selection. I was about to do that too, when I thought, "Wouldn't it be easier just to change how the software works?", and chimed-in on that suggestion in beta.
I'm truly sorry for those who already had developed a workaround labeling system for their folders ... and for those who can't figure out how to work the drop-down selection system in your group. Maybe a little instruction via a "sticky note" on your group will fix that one. Just a thought ... Best regards, Dennis |
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