Hi,

Is there a way to prevent users from simply signing on to a group and harvest personal e-mail addresses?

Ken S

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 04:02 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:

Is there a way to prevent users from simply signing on to a group and harvest personal e-mail addresses?

No.? The closest you can get is to set the group to Restricted so that you'd need to approve every applicant and vet them before allowing admission.? Many use the Pending Subscription notice to ask for info from the applicant.

Duane
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 05:15 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:

Technically can it be done and we are just not doing so, or is it a near impossibility?

The method I gave was to prevent someone from joining the group just to get email addresses and doesn't apply here.

Anyone that's a member of the group will see other member's email addresses in each post if they get individual messages.? There's no way to prevent that.? A malcontent can save/harvest those as they come in and use them at a later date.

Duane
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Ken . . .

On Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:32:38 +0000, "Ken Schweizer"
<kensch888@...> wrote:

I was afraid of that. We had a member get upset that several posts were rejected and decided to mail them out to the groups' personal e-mail.

That's a member you probably don't need. He's rebelling against the
group owners (and probably the group policies, or you wouldn't have
moderation at all), so you might consider banning him or her. Or give
a warning if you think it's worth the time to give him or her a second
opportunity.

The group members have a right to expect posts that are rejected (for
whatever reason) to not reach their inbox. Allowing this to continue
may be detrimental to the group.

Donald


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We did BAN the member, but the damage was done.

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I wonder is there a way to set a new member to "NO EMAIL" and not grant that user the ability to change the setting until the group has an idea if they are suitable? That way they wouldn't be able to harvest e-mail addresses.

Ken S

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 04:17 PM, Ken Schweizer wrote:

I wonder is there a way to set a new member to "NO EMAIL" and not grant that user the ability to change the setting until the group has an idea if they are suitable?

Ken --?Currently, the only reliable way to vet prospective members before providing access to group emails is to use the Restricted method of Spam Control. You could set your group's Default Sub Settings to Daily Summary or a Digest, but there's nothing to keep a new person (with the wherewithal to do so) from changing it to Individual Emails.

Regards,
Bruce

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You bring up a good point.
Some Band are UnFair, but suppose half are due to a "bad player....?"

Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better decicion about their application.

Maybe in non-restricted lists, they'd have to be approved even there.

BillSF9c

Bill,

On Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:42:58 -0800, "billsf9c via groups.io"
<OOWONBS@...> wrote:

Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better decicion about their application.

If they are banned, would their application even appear to the
moderators? I would think the system wouldn't let the application
through.

I think they would have to contact the group owner address and make
peace first with the mods, get un-banned, then apply again. I might be
wrong on that because it's never happened in any of my groups.

I've only banned 2 or 3 people, and pre-banned a few who were spamming
other similar groups, before they joined mine. So it's not something I
have experience with.

One person I banned complained a few times to the group owner address.
We ignored him and he eventually went away. He might have rejoined
under a different address and account but if he did, he's playing by
the rules now and not belittling others.

He refused to acknowledge that he was doing that and asked for
clarification on what that was.

Donald



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Hi Donald,

>Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have

anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better
decicion about their application.

I believe all someone with bad intentions has to do is to join with another e-mail address.

Ken S

"You do what you can for as long as you can, and when you finally can't, you do the next best thing. You back up but you don't give up." ―Chuck Yeager

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Fonald, I was meaning to suggest that an email address OR MAYBE IP... which is banned, be able to be readily noticed by owners/mods when applying elsewhere... or for a year, perhaps.

You cause me to recall that yahoo had both Removal and Ban. Removal allowed rejoining, if owners/mods approved it... whete approval is a requirement. Yes, bans are quite rarely needed.

BillSF9c

Ken . . .

On Thu, 14 Jan 2021 04:12:47 +0000, "Ken Schweizer"
<kensch888@...> wrote:

Once ideas are garnered here, we could take Mark an idea in Beta to have
anyone Banned have a red B by their application so we can make a better
decicion about their application.

I believe all someone with bad intentions has to do is to join with another e-mail address.

I agree. The comments you quoted were not mine but Bill's. I don't see
anything useful an indication would do to help me keep out
troublemakers.

I do think the banning helps with some people but it is possible that
they could, indeed, create another account and join as a new member.
It might even be better to just lock them on moderated status and not
approve any of their posts, or just the ones that are appropriate.

Donald -- AD8DY
Formerly KJ3I


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/g/ICOM /g/Ham-Antennas
/g/HamRadioHelp /g/Baofeng
/g/CHIRP