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Does anyone know why the topics-test page isn't working

Leeni
 

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I am in the process of deleting very old messages from when my group was on Yahoo. The messages are all blank. There isn't anything in them. I went to work on deleting them and I got the following message
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Did I miss something in chat here? Or is this now a bug?
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Topics-test remains offline as of this morning.

Removing something that was in trial mode to begin with does not strike me as a "bug"...especially when a banner notice is displayed in its stead. Frankly, I'm surprised that Mark left it in place as long as he did.*

Here's hoping that he brings back some new flavor of multi-message delete function. The rest was kinda handy, but I can live without it.

Regards,
Bruce

*Wondering now if someone stumbled across it and did some serious damage to their message archive.
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Leeni
 

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Thanks for answering. I know it remains offline as of yesterday afternoon.
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I didn't know that it was in a trial mode.I thought it was a feature in place for groups IO. Why are you surprised Mark left it in place for as long as he did?
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I agree with that. I hope there is a new?way in development for mass deleting messages. ?
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While you can live without it, the circle of groups that I hang around in cannot. We are all used to not even having messages visible in the first place.?Past Messages?are something that Graphic Sharing and Creative Artist groups do not need to be seen by members as we are strictly email groups.
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Thanks, Ilene
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-------Original Message-------
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Date: 3/29/2019 9:31:06 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Does anyone know why the topics-test page isn't working
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Topics-test remains offline as of this morning.

Removing something that was in trial mode to begin with does not strike me as a "bug"...especially when a banner notice is displayed in its stead. Frankly, I'm surprised that Mark left it in place as long as he did.*

Here's hoping that he brings back some new flavor of multi-message delete function. The rest was kinda handy, but I can live without it.

Regards,
Bruce

*Wondering now if someone stumbled across it and did some serious damage to their message archive.
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Leeni wrote:
I didn't know that it was in a trial mode. I thought it was a feature in place for groups IO. Why are you surprised Mark left it in place for as long as he did?
It has been in trial mode since July of last year (Ref:?). That seems like a very long time for such a thing.

I agree with that. I hope there is a new?way in development for mass deleting messages. ?
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While you can live without it, the circle of groups that I hang around in cannot. We are all used to not even having messages visible in the first place.?
Understood. And I see that you've posted something about this in beta.

A bulk message deletion feature is something that has often been requested here. As for your own situation, I recommend that you ask for what you really want...a group setting that disables the message archive altogether.

Regards,
Bruce?
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Leeni
 

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I had asked a while back for a group setting that disables messages altogether.
If I remember correctly I was told it is?being placed way?back on the back burner. That was when I was told about using the -test to get rid of messages in bulk.
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That would be the ideal?solution to have a way that that messages could just be disabled altogether if the group owner didn't want members to have access to them.
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I believe?others have written asking?about that feature as well.
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Thanks, Ilene?
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Date: 3/29/2019 10:17:55 AM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Does anyone know why the topics-test page isn't working
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:05 AM, Leeni wrote:
I didn't know that it was in a trial mode. I thought it was a feature in place for groups IO. Why are you surprised Mark left it in place for as long as he did?
It has been in trial mode since July of last year (Ref:?). That seems like a very long time for such a thing.

I agree with that. I hope there is a new?way in development for mass deleting messages. ?
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While you can live without it, the circle of groups that I hang around in cannot. We are all used to not even having messages visible in the first place.?
Understood. And I see that you've posted something about this in beta.

A bulk message deletion feature is something that has often been requested here. As for your own situation, I recommend that you ask for what you really want...a group setting that disables the message archive altogether.

Regards,
Bruce?
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:36 AM, Leeni wrote:
That would be the ideal?solution to have a way that that messages could just be disabled altogether if the group owner didn't want members to have access to them.
Please keep in mind the hashtag work-around that we discussed several months ago:?

-- In group Settings, under Message Policies, check the box for Hashtags Required.
-- Set Hashtag Permissions to "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced."
-- Create ONE hashtag for the group and set its Topic Duration to one hour, and
-- Train everyone who is allowed to post to apply the hashtag every time.*

I believe?others have written asking?about that feature as well.
They have...but it seems Mark is disinclined to provide that functionality (i.e.: "the system wasn't really designed for that type of usage").

Good luck,
Bruce
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*Hmmm...another option I just thought of would be to set up an email integration for the group. You could then set the #email hashtag to delete the topic after one hour and just retrain everybody to post to the integration address.
Leeni
 

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I remember that discussion.
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I know I couldn't get my members to put a hashtag in their email.
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I can't even get 80% of them to even share and?label in the subject line what they are sharing. They put sharing in the subject. Well duh, what else would they be doing. We need them to put blank tags, Easter Tags, Easter Basket Blank Tags, or something describing what they are sharing. I know they wouldn't do the hashtag thing.
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They just wouldn't share at all or?join another one of the many groups that share the same sort of things?where they wouldn't have to be bothered with?hashtags.
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You see most of us came from Y groups and in Y groups the messages could be hidden from members so we didn't have to worry about deleting them. Why is it important to delete messages you may ask? Because our groups aren't like 80% of the groups on Groups IO where conversation is the main focus of the group and references are needed so keeping the messages is important.
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Our groups are basically graphic groups?based on email.?They are hobby groups.?
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My answer is to why the messages should be able to be deleted in mass is?a member?can join the group - don't share anything and then go through the messages and snag everything that is in there. Once they are done snagging everything prior to them joining the group, ?they can leave.
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Our groups are basically Email Groups. All mail should be gotten from their email only and not from the web page messages.
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They aren't discussions in our messages but Paint Shop Pro Tubes, Gifs, Blank Tags, components for making tags etc?- They are Creative Design type groups and being a member they will get these things in their email while they are a member.
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(I.e.: "the system wasn't really designed for that type of usage").
Well maybe in 2019 when more Y Graphic type?groups are moving over to IO, the system should change?design to accommodate all?that could use deleting messages or having them hidden from members if we wish to.
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Thanks, Leeni
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-------Original Message-------
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Date: 3/29/2019 8:18:19 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Does anyone know why the topics-test page isn't working
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On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:36 AM, Leeni wrote:
That would be the ideal?solution to have a way that that messages could just be disabled altogether if the group owner didn't want members to have access to them.
Please keep in mind the hashtag work-around that we discussed several months ago:?

-- In group Settings, under Message Policies, check the box for Hashtags Required.
-- Set Hashtag Permissions to "Posts by subscribers can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced."
-- Create ONE hashtag for the group and set its Topic Duration to one hour, and
-- Train everyone who is allowed to post to apply the hashtag every time.*

I believe?others have written asking?about that feature as well.
They have...but it seems Mark is disinclined to provide that functionality (i.e.: "the system wasn't really designed for that type of usage").

Good luck,
Bruce
--
The system Help is your friend.??/static/help

*Hmmm...another option I just thought of would be to set up an email integration for the group. You could then set the #email hashtag to delete the topic after one hour and just retrain everybody to post to the integration address.
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On 3/30/2019 8:51 PM, Leeni wrote:
You see most of us came from Y groups and in Y groups the messages could be hidden from members so we didn't have to worry about deleting them. Why is it important to delete messages you may ask? Because our groups aren't like 80% of the groups on Groups IO where conversation is the main focus of the group and references are needed so keeping the messages is important.
I think it's more like 99.9% of groups here that use email archives.

Perhaps switching to Google Groups would work for you, as while it also keeps a message archive, it has an option to refuse access to anyone except owners. See attached screencaps.

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Leeni
 

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Thanks for your suggestions but no thank you..........
I will keep my groups in groups IO
One by one deletion for me isn't a big deal compared to the other things
I love about Groups IO.?The most important thing is?a reachable Support System.
From this group to the beta.main group and the support group.
I like too that Mark is only an email away and is really on top of things and reachable.
Google groups and Yahoo groups don't have that.
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Mark?is doing an awesome job with Groups IO.
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Thanks, Leeni
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-------Original Message-------
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Date: 3/30/2019 10:38:16 PM
Subject: Re: [GMF] Does anyone know why the topics-test page isn't working
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On 3/30/2019 8:51 PM, Leeni wrote:
> You see most of us came from Y groups and in Y groups the messages could
> be hidden from members so we didn't have to worry about deleting them.
> Why is it important to delete messages you may ask? Because our groups
> aren't like 80% of the groups on Groups IO where conversation is the
> main focus of the group and references are needed so keeping the
> messages is important.
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I think it's more like 99.9% of groups here that use email archives.
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Perhaps switching to Google Groups would work for you, as while it also
keeps a message archive, it has an option to refuse access to anyone
except owners.??See attached screencaps.
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Bill
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I agree 100% with everything you say about groups.io!

It might be worth posting a request to the beta list to ask if Mark could include something like the Google Groups archive viewing options in the Privacy section of group settings, although downstream I see that Shal has posted on this topic, to which I've now added the Google info.

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On 3/31/2019 12:04 AM, Leeni wrote:
Thanks for your suggestions but no thank you..........
I will keep my groups in groups IO
One by one deletion for me isn't a big deal compared to the other things
I love about Groups IO.?The most important thing is?a reachable Support System.
From this group to the beta.main group and the support group.
I like too that Mark is only an email away and is really on top of things and reachable.
Google groups and Yahoo groups don't have that.
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Mark?is doing an awesome job with Groups IO.
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Thanks, Leeni
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Bill, Leeni,

In retrospect I should have broken out my reply in beta as a New Topic, since it is a suggestion different from (though related to) the bulk delete feature. That would help Mark keep track of things.

If you follow up with that as a request, I suggest you make it a New Topic and cite the bulk delete topic rather than reply to it.

Shal


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Leeni
 

That has been asked by me a while back and was told it was on the back burner - way back. I think I remember Mark saying it wasn't so easy to do?- but I am not certain.
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So for now, I am?forgetting about it. If anyone else feels the need to have it, let them take over and write to Mark or the Beta group.? I am content where things stand now. Leeni?

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