arrrggghhhh! I don't get it (just a rant)
开云体育Each owner of a Yahoo Groups group will have to make their own decision on whether to stay or leave, and I can understand not wanting to leave. For me personally I had thought about leaving, but I couldn’t seem to find anywhere that was going to work for me or our members. I didn’t know it though, but a lot of our members were hating where we were. When Yahoo started to fall apart again for me about two weeks ago, I said to myself I really have to do something now. While reading the help forums at Yahoo trying to figure out what was going on, and trying to get some answers, I found a few people talk about Groups.io. That prompted to investigate Groups.io to see what I could find out, and after making a test group, I decided I was moving our group as soon as possible before Yahoo died. As for me, I think I’ve moving our group just in the nick of time. For the owners of groups that want to stay and hack it out at Yahoo I wish them luck, but I think it’s not going to end well for a whole lot of those groups. Our members are already starting to stream over to our new home, and I anticipate most of the rest of them will come over during the transfer…Which is happening now. I used to like Yahoo before the Neo upgrade, then not so much afterwards, now I’m glad I made the decision to save the group. ? Don ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J_Catlady ? I was trying to help another cats group by suggesting that they move from yahoo to . I was sort of trying to sell them on a "the sky is falling" scenario and they better move soon, because that's what I've been picking up on lately - that yahoo is getting so bad that Mark is having problems even doing the transfer, that he can't keep up with all the transfers, etc. This is one of the best cats groups and I didn't want to lose them in the downfall of yahoo, and I was honestly trying to help them. ? They more or less jumped down my throat. One accused me of working for . The group owner said they'd been in yahoo since 2002 and while there were "a few problems," nothing is perfect, and it would be better for them to stay. Another said she'd joined a group a couple of years ago and was immediately deluged with spam, but "maybe it's more secure now," she didn't know. A third said she'd joined "eight groups" and found them "less convenient" than yahoo. ? It was crazy. I didn't know how to deal with it without sounding even more like I'm "working for" . Only a couple of people said they'd had problems with their messages not posting on yahoo and they wouldn't mind moving, but overall, the feeling expressed was it was too risky to move, there are problems "everywhere," etc. ? Arggggghhhh!? ? J? ? ? |
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I was trying to help another cats group by suggesting that they moveAnd you're surprised by this? I don't know whether you made your suggestion on-list or privately to the group admins, and I don't know the culture of this group and its members, but if on-list I'm almost surprised you're not banned for being off-topic and disruptive. I was sort of trying to sell them on a "the sky is falling" scenarioEven if your suggestion was made privately I can understand their hesitance. They're getting conflicting reports about Groups.io and about Yahoo. One thing they may know is that over the years there have been many scares with claims that Yahoo Groups is circling the drain; and that, so far at least, it hasn't gone down. So yes, you may have been seen as just another Chicken Little. You and I may agree that there are some objectively different things about this instance (unsupported, new owner, etc.) but I'm still not surprised that someone might resist what may seem to them to be alarmist information. Shal |
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On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:22 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
Sorry to hear about your experience J, Having been a group admin first on eGroups, then Y! and now groups.io nothing surprises me any more about the general public, whether they be group/forum members or not. A nasty experience for you nonetheless. Hope you feel better after venting here. :-) Regards, John P |
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You're not the only one howling into that wind.
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While I attempting transfer of my largest group (almost 1800); (Transfer requested but no action yet) I have been suggesting similar moves for nine other groups. A couple are so dormant that YG could be down for a week and no one would notice. Four members quit in protest when I told the group I had requested a files transfer. They lit into me with parting comments about being alarmist, really aggravated than YG would not let them unsubscribe; after trying multiple times. YG sent me multiple (upto six) un-subscription notices for each one. Later I was able to manually remove their memberships. They blamed me because YG was non-functional, citing my desire to move the group as the reason for their YG problems. I have tried to help other groups that I value, in one case setting up a shadow group in groups.io with the same name. Their reply is that they have been with YG for 18 years and they will consider moving only when YG shuts down. They don't seem to realize that will be to late. Poll the members of your 'other' groups and give them a choice of outcomes. My groups wanted the database files and photos preserved. Automatic membership came in second. 25% were willing to ride YG into the dust until it dies without saving the database. About 15% did not want to take any action, even planning to develop a group on another host. It's like watching a ship wreck and blaming the launching of lifeboats for sinking the ship. I do need to consider how I can move photos and files (where new photos can be added now that YG's photo function seldom works. If I can move some of those, then I can tell YG group members that they can start a new in groups.io group. With some YG list owners and moderators, it's like herding cats. (I can do that, but the dog is better) ken On 2018-01-22 21:36, J_Catlady wrote:
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I tend to agree with Don.? I've had a number of yahoogroups since probably 2002 or so and before NEO, I (as administrator/owner/moderator) was able to do a number of things administratively that NEO took away.? Over time, I've found that when you have a problem, you end up with an automated Q&A session that takes you to a FAQ entry that probably doesn't answer your problem.? Getting a human to talk to is pretty much a thing of the past.? They have made changes without advance notification, and many of my older members have a lot of trouble with the CAPTCHA process to change email or join the group, so they end up quitting in disgust.? I had two specific groups I was targeting for a move - the first one had about 150 members and it went like clockwork.? No hiccups whatsoever and it's been going for probably 6-8 months.? My other group was like nearly 1000 folks and I wanted to wait a bit.? What I found was that Yahoogroups access was getting flaky while groups.io wasn't, so I finally decided to migrate the larger group.? It took a little longer (probably because of the demand from former yahoogroup users to move) and some things didn't make it (files mostly, apparently because something is going on over at Yahoogroups - so I'll have to check and see what is happening before I shut down that group).
And, in any transfer like this, you will lose some people and you will gain others.? There are always growing pains, but those folks who are ranting and raving at you for recommending a move are stuck in a paradigm they don't really understand.? I made the migration to Yahoogroups from a LISTPROC server hosted at a university back in 2002.? My co-owner and I talked about the alternatives - we were looking at Majordomo, possibly hosting LISTPROC on a UNIX machine locally, Yahoogroups, Googlegroups, and for whatever reasons back then, we opted for Yahoogroups.? Every option has it's pros and cons, but so far (knock on wood), groups.io has been solid. Bill Hickey Boulder, CO |
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Last night I was asked what I was going to do after the transfer is complete.
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I told them that when complete. please post only on groups.io All posts on the old group will be moderated. No new members will be approved for the YG list. The moderators will no longer moderate (and approve messages) on a timely basis. The old YG group will be an archive, until YG dies, it will not grow. So Far all quiet, this was a Special Notice so all should have received it by now ken On 2018-01-23 08:39, J_Catlady wrote:
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When I moved my groups. I made the announcement, gave them a month to move, invited them even then shut down the group with no warning. I told them I was going to do this. They are used to me so they followed directions with out complaints. I said eithe rdo this my way or there's the door. Some left, about 90 percent stayed. I run my groups with a heavy but fair hand so that worked.
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Take care On Jan 23, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Default <ken@...> wrote: |
开云体育> After my group transferred, we had exactly one snafu? ...??After that, most people using email were not even aware of the change. We have some group members who STILL think we're in yahoo. It was that seamless. :)
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I have noted the same thing with my group transfers. The biggest problem I have is reminding people to change their address book entry for the groups to the groups.io address. I have members who still don't?really comprehend that we've moved.
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开云体育Mac users who use Mail should delete the YahooGroups email address from Previous Recipients from Window tab.?Then no autofilling of the old address. Frances
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开云体育> Mac users who use Mail should delete the YahooGroups email
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As an owner/moderator who doesn't use a MAC I really appreciate this advice, Frances. I will pass it along to my groups, and hopefully avoid a few misdirected message intercepts.?Thank you!!
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