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I don’t know if this is the correct group for this but I was informed by another group owner, I haven’t gotten this from Mark yet.?

New premium pricing: additional 5? per member per month over 400 members?

I understand there are costs involved but it is frustrating to those of us who manage large numbers of enthusiast groups, we are not in it for the money, we don’t make any money from it, yet we must pay, pay, pay...

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Russell, if you subscribe to the beta group you'll get the heads-up directly from Mark on this kind of thing. ?.

Pete

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

Mod's note:

It is what it is.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:15 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

That appears to be a suggestion that anything I want for "dreams and joy" should be given to me without costing me anything. I look forward to getting a free Ferrari or possibly a Lamborghini sometime...

Chris

Well Chris,
Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 03:15 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

I appreciate that, but some things are more valuable than profitable, life isn’t always about ‘profit and loss’ sometimes it isn’t about ‘dreams and joy’, you know?

Russell, as the moderator noted on your post, the place to critique Mark's pricing is on the beta group.

However, as I said, based on my read of Mark's announcement - it is what it is.

Pete

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

I have several committee groups in Groups.io for my non-profit organization. I didn't ask for a discount, because free is even better. We don't want or need a high profile site with all the bells and whistles of the enterprise plan. We don't need our own branding, for example. I am grateful to be able to have these groups to make everything work better. I was lucky - an early adopter. And of course, anything you have now, you are protected as legacy enabled (i.e. grandfathered).

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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:33 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:

For a member to pay 5cents annually should not be a great hardship.

It's 5 cents a month or 55 annually

and I assume that most listowners would consider paying the entire invoice themselves rather than chasing over a hundred subscribers for 55 cent each

groetjes/?is, Ronaldo

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:39 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’ indicating they have some value beyond profit, what about small nonprofits, are they of no value?

I think it is necessary to define what exactly is meant by "non - profit". A hobby - based group is almost certainly going to be "non - profit", but its value is limited to the adherents of the hobby. OTOH a group might have wide - scale humanitarian aid as its ethos; in that case there is a clear (even if only potential) benefit well outside just those who are members of the group.

Chris

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:39 PM, Russell Courtenay wrote:

Groups gives a break for ‘large nonprofits’

Mark did not use the term "large non-profits." He is specifically giving a discount on the enterprise plan to non-profits. (I assume he means 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4), but that's not clear.)

Pete

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Peter Cook wrote:

He is specifically giving a discount on the enterprise plan to non-profits.

From the Pricing page:
"If you are legally recognized as a non-profit organization, we offer a 50% discount on our Enterprise plan. When upgrading your group, select the non-profit discount. Also, please contact us so we can verify your non-profit status."

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I replied to Mark's post on the pricing in the Beta Main forum.

NPs with smaller numbers of members can make a significant difference.?

Many 501c3/NPs have less members than the Enterprise level is created for. All of my groups are well below the 400 member level. Some are barely over 100 people but the Premuim features would be useful to have. Just not at the current model of NP pricing. Especially if I as one person have to pay an Enterprise discount for each and every GIO NP group I create with each GIO group having less than 150 members.?

The point I tried to make in the other form is that, yes, smaller member NPs like ours can hang out in the free group, but it's not like we expect something for free.

Well yes, some do, but I suspect a significant number are able to pay or want to pay something. After all we are in the business of charity and recognize the costs of overhead to do business. In my case, my "small" 501c3 groups on GIO cannot afford the Enterprise level, even with a NP discount.?

If Mark were to offer all his paid levels a NP discount, he will potentially pick up some more money. Right now the only choice for them is Free or Enterprise. Nothing in between. I have posted before, $10 a month is affordable to some of my NPs but $20 a month breaks our budget.?

I also like the idea of those who have suggested to Mark a donation button. I for one, would make donations on behalf of my free groups. I do understand the "upgrade button solution" but I don't want to deal with upgrading and then downgrading and experiencing features changes that differ because of the dates that my different groups were created.

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Sandi,

Many 501c3/NPs have less members than the Enterprise level is created
for. All of my groups are well below the 400 member level. Some are
barely over 100 people but the Premuim features would be useful to
have. Just not at the current model of NP pricing.

For a group of less than 400 members the regular Premium pricing ($220/yr) would be less than the NP pricing for Enterprise ($1100/yr).

Especially if I as one person have to pay an Enterprise discount for
each and every GIO NP group I create with each GIO group having less
than 150 members.

You don't have to pay for an Enterprise group just because you're a NP. You may not get a discount, but that's no reason to go to a higher- priced plan.

If Mark were to offer all his paid levels a NP discount, he will
potentially pick up some more money.

Maybe.

There's the question of whether more basic groups would upgrade to Premium NP than downgrade from regular Premium to Premium NP. The result could be a net loss of income instead of a gain. Also, the administrative cost of verifying NP status (especially internationally) may outweigh the potential income from discounted Premium groups.

I suspect it is very difficult to estimate how much price elasticity there is for the various service levels.

I have posted before, $10 a month is affordable to some of my NPs but
$20 a month breaks our budget.

I kind of feel that way about some of my groups, but mostly because I can't envision attempting to collect from the members. So those groups remain basic (and are glad to be "legacy enabled").

I do understand the "upgrade button solution" but I don't want to deal
with upgrading and then downgrading and experiencing features changes
that differ because of the dates that my different groups were
created.

You don't need to worry about the downgrading: one of the Premium plans is "for one month" - it downgrades automatically.

Duane has mentioned in a few topics that you could use a test group (one with no members except you and optionally your moderator team) as the means to make occasional donations. None of the regular group members would then experience any feature changes. One test group could serve for all of your regular groups, since there'd be no connection between them except for your ownership.

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Yup. Just read it. 2 weeks old and somehow I missed it. For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

I'd be happy to see a list of alternatives to IO. I too must plan for the future.

I'm sure it was not intended, but to pkan this or that and then find a group started in September has no File or Photo section...

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

TIA? & HNY! ?
BillSF9c

BillSF9c,

For any and all groups I am in & own, it it untenable if they grow.

No groups that currently exist or that are created before Jan 18th are affected by the new pricing structure. Which may or may not be changed before it goes into effect; possible changes are, I think, why Mark has opened the topic for comment.

Basic groups that upgrade to Premium will maintain the pricing that is or was in place at the time of their upgrade.

To see a group that could soon use an extra Gig in the semi-near
future burdened with buying 30... yes, not 20 - 30 now, when 1G would
last us another 20 years, is just unworkable.

The price does not increase, only the amount of storage.

If you decide to upgrade to Premium before the new pricing goes into effect you'll get the benefit of the increased storage, but without the $0.55/yr/member charge for members over 400.

Where else can lists/grouos, go?

It depends on the needs of the group. There are a number of alternative services out there, each having different pros and cons from the point of view of any given group.

For groups that are primarily email lists Google Groups is frequently cited. But I haven't used one in many years and haven't researched them. Others may have relevant knowledge.

Shal


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BillSF9c,
There are a number of free and lower cost alternative depending on what your needs are.??is still available

The very basic free forums have ads, allow logins, but not no attachments, only posts
The forums that charge, adjust their prices in various tiers that are lower that $20 a month for more than 100 members, but again, no file storage, wiki, calendar, database, etc. Some do allow image attachments.?There are free and paid platforms that allow you to create your own forum and pay them a hosting fee.?

There is for national hobby clubs and organizations that operated large numbers of chapters in a regional area. There are no limits how many people in a group. It's free and has no ads. Everything is online: posts, calendar, event management, files, photos. A digest is offered but it contains only posted subjects each member opts to follow and has no content. Members must log in to access the actual posted content. It highly values member privacy.?

is another type of group. It's based in the UK. The lowest tier has most of GIO's Premium features for $12 a month allows 500 members.?

I am most familiar with??as I have used them for the past 15 years. I have both free personal GGs and domain/educational GGs which are housed under?.?The reason I came to GIO was because one of the NPs, I assist was against forcing their members to use any service with requires someone to create an account. GIO met that requirement.

I currently "own" 5 GGs for some NPs that I assist as well as for my personal use. The are a part of Google Workspace (GW).?One person would pay?$6 a month to have a Google Workspace (GW) account where he/she could create as many groups and directly add as many members to them as they need. The advantages to the paid GW GG is Google Sites which acts as a Wiki and the ability to directly add members.?

If you don't need a wiki or direct add, then you can create a free GG. Your GG members would need their own Google accounts to participate in Meets/Hangouts (GIO Chat), and create shared files, photos, databases, calendars, surveys (Google forms), etc.?

There's a lot of information out there if you search "internet groups" and "internet forums". Like GIO, many will make changes to their current features and pricing.
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